In Episode 2, we sit down with Lana Ikelan—Co-Educational Director at Kids4Peace, alum of Tomorrow’s Women, and a speaker with Solutions Not Sides. Lana shares her experiences as an East Jerusalemite and reflects on her complex Palestinian identity, navigating a city full of unseen boundaries and hidden challenges. She opens up about her path into activism, the work she does to empower young people, and the bridges she’s building in a divided world.
For in-depth information on the status of Jerusalem, the Reunification Law, and related legal, social, and municipal issues, you can visit a very thorough resource center here.
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Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on August 24th, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future.
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After Season 1 wrapped last November, we didn’t stop. We released a bonus episode in February, hosted four international events, led countless workshops and speaking engagements, recorded three episodes abroad, and sat down with policymakers around the world—all alongside our on-the-ground activism.
While we’ve always been Unapologetic: The Third Narrative, we’ve now shortened our name to UTTN—keeping our mission the same while distinguishing ourselves from another entity with a similar name. We’re also building a full website at uttn.net, where you can learn more about who we are, our story, and our values.
To bring Season 2 to life, we had to grow: fundraising, spreading the word beyond the podcast, and shifting our focus. Season 1 centered on stories of identity on this land. Season 2, while still engaging with personal identities, spotlights the actions of our incredible guests who are working on the ground to make change.
In Episode 1, Amira & Ibrahim dive into the new format, the vision behind the changes, and the heart of UTTN’s work moving forward.
We ask you to listen with an open ear and an open heart. The voices you’ll hear this season aren’t just stories—they’re pathways to action, courage, and possibility.
Welcome to Season 2. Let’s dive in.
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Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on August 17th, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future.
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In the final episode of our international mini-series, we spotlight the student perspective through a powerful conversation with Reine and Leo—outgoing and incoming board members of the MENA Initiative at the Graduate Institute in Geneva. They share their experiences, the successes of organizing student-led events, and the realities of balancing activism with academic life—perspectives we believe deserve a seat at the table.
This episode also reflects on our own journey. Back in Season 1, Episode 19 – “Let’s Talk Protests,” we discussed student-led demonstrations with the limited knowledge we had at the time. Today, we know that 97% of student-led pro-Palestine demonstrations remain peaceful (ACLED report). While we are not journalists, we are individuals with a platform—and when we learn better, we strive to do better.
Throughout this series, we’ve explored three entry points into activism and politics:
1️⃣ Grassroots organizing
2️⃣ Political activism
3️⃣ Student initiatives
Each offers a unique lens into building a just and inclusive future. We wish this conversation could have been longer, as there was so much more to unpack, but we hope you enjoyed listening.
If these discussions make you uncomfortable, we invite you to lean in. Dialogue over debate helps us humanize rather than demonize—even when we disagree. Because at the end of the day, we all deserve better!
✨ Stay tuned for Season 2 next month! We’ve got big changes ahead! Join us on Patreon for early access to episodes, community Zoom calls, and exclusive one-on-one sessions with Amira and Ibrahim.
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Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on May 6th, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future, because we all deserve better.
Though this is the second episode of our international series, Amsterdam was actually the very first stop on this trip. At the Joods Museum, we sat down with city council members Sheher Khan (DENK) and Itay Garmy (Volt) — two leaders whose politics and identities often place them on opposite sides: Sheher, a Muslim and pro-Palestinian voice; Itay, a Jewish Israeli representative.
And yet, in the wake of October 7th, they came together to propose a new kind of politics — one rooted in dialogue. Their joint initiative, “Bekend maakt Bemind” (“To Be Known is To Be Loved”), had been introduced earlier that year in May. Just three days after October 7, 2023, it was unanimously adopted by the Amsterdam City Council. The proposal has since been embedded in the city’s anti-discrimination strategy, with tangible actions already underway — including public dialogues at City Hall and the mayor’s residence, and programs across Amsterdam schools.
In this episode, Sheher and Itay speak candidly about polarization, pain, and the quiet courage required to choose dialogue over division — and what a Third Narrative might look like when lived out through local leadership.
📅 Coming up on August 3rd: Tier 3 & 4 Patreon members are invited to an exclusive live call with Dana Rentenaar (25), a Palestinian-Dutch political scientist and peace activist and one of the key people behind organizing this event. Don’t miss the chance to connect directly and hear more from behind the scenes!
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Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on April 9th, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future, because we all deserve better.
We know it's been a while, and we've missed you! So much has happened since our last release, but we have great news to share soon. In the meantime, we’re thrilled to return with the first of three new episodes in our international series!
In this episode, Amira sits down with our lovely guest, Mehra Rimer, in the heart of B8 of Hope to get to know both the person and the powerful work behind the organization. From grassroots initiatives to cross-border connections, Mehra brings depth, compassion, and hope to a moment that calls for all three.
B8 of Hope is a Swiss-registered non-profit association promoting peace-building and transformative grassroots initiatives within both Palestinian and Israeli civil societies. “Beit” resonates with the meaning of “home” in both Arabic and Hebrew, forging a bridge between languages and cultures. The number 8 represents the eight co-founders of this extraordinary alliance, whose roots span Swiss, Canadian, Indian, Iranian, Israeli, and Palestinian backgrounds.👉 Click here to learn more
This episode wouldn’t have been possible without the generous support of Chahut Média, who helped us capture this conversation.
With the Israel/Iran war now under a tentative ceasefire, we release this episode with cautious hope and deep intention. We chose to lead this series with Mehra’s story, and we think you’ll understand why as soon as you tune in.
📅 Coming up on July 13: Join us on Patreon for a follow-up conversation with Mehra, available exclusively to Tier 3 & 4 members.
🎧 You’ll also have the chance to ask questions, so make sure to mark your calendars!
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Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on May 5th, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future, because we all deserve better.
After a long hiatus, co-hosts Ibrahim and Amira return with a heartfelt bonus episode, sharing their mixed emotions about the recent hostage release and ceasefire agreement. They unpack the bittersweet reality of this moment and share exciting news about their upcoming event in London on February 6th—a fundraiser dedicated to making Season 2 of the podcast a reality. Tune in for an honest conversation and all the details!
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In our season finale, Ibrahim and Amira reflect on a year marked by loss, resilience, and the ongoing struggle in Palestine and Israel. Joined by our Unapologetic producer Evelyn, they take a moment to look back on the stories we've shared, the complexities we've navigated, and the road ahead. This episode marks not just the end of a season, but a pivotal moment of reflection for all of us at the Third Narrative team. We also share a glimpse of the next steps and the destinations we’ll be exploring in future episodes.
A heartfelt thank you to our supporters who have stood with us through this journey. Your support means everything, and we need it more than ever. If you haven’t already, please consider joining us on Patreon to ensure we can continue our work and bring these important conversations to a wider audience.
We look forward to connecting with you again in the next season, where we’ll continue to dive deep into the nuanced conversations that matter most.
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Disclaimer: This episode was released on Nov 10, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
As the one-year mark since October 7th approaches, we sat down with Yonatan Zeigen—father, social worker, and mediator. Yonatan is the son of the late Vivian Silver, a renowned Israeli peace advocate who dedicated her life to bridging the divide between Israelis and Palestinians. Tragically, Vivian was killed in the Hamas attack on Kibbutz Be'eri last year. In the aftermath of her death, Yonatan has continued her legacy, advocating for peace and justice with renewed purpose.
We explore his emotional journey, from the deep loss of his mother to his determination to carry forward her mission of building partnerships between people divided by decades of violence. Yonatan shares his reflections on Israeli society, the occupation, and the possibilities for a peaceful future, offering profound insights into the personal and collective cost of conflict. Don’t miss this heartfelt and thought-provoking conversation.
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Disclaimer: This episode was released on Oct 4, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Miriam Abd El Hay, a remarkable Palestinian woman from Tira. She shares her unique journey of navigating life, identity, and spirituality. Miriam opens up about her multicultural upbringing, the challenges she faced in that complex cultural landscape, and how she has maintained her sense of self through it all. Initially pursuing a career in dentistry, a shift in her path led her to activism and the creation of a spiritual space for Palestinians. She also discusses her experience at the Arava Institute and her research internship on the environmental crisis in Gaza and its regional implications. Join us as she reflects on her life’s transitions, the struggles and triumphs along the way, and the spiritual insights that guide her ongoing pursuit of justice and truth.
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Disclaimer: This episode was released on Sep 19, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
In this compelling episode, Ibrahim sits down with Sabrin Masarweh, a Palestinian educator whose commitment to teaching and fostering dialogue in Jewish schools encountered an unexpected and painful challenge. Masarweh's journey took a dramatic turn when she was suspended from a prominent Jewish school in Israel.
Her story is not just about one individual but serves as a lens to better understand the intersection of identity, education, and activism.
Tune in to learn what led to Sabrin's suspension and discover the impactful work she continues to do in promoting a better future, both in the classroom and beyond.
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In this episode, we celebrate Amira's birthday by asking her questions from our audience. Some were personal, while others were more lighthearted to give you a break from our usual conversations. Here's a question for our audience - How has this podcast affected your life? Let us know in the comments.
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In this episode, we celebrate Ibrahim's birthday by asking him questions from our audience. Some were very challenging, and others made him blush. Listen till the end to see which ones did what and let us know your thoughts in the comments!
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So much time has passed by and we’re still in the same horrible, indescribable situation. In this episode, Amira and Ibrahim talk about the hopelessness that even the Peace-building community can fall victim to. Even in these very dark times, and even when it seems impossible, we must continue to fight for the future. Creating space for these natural doubts allows us to digest our feelings which fuels us to keep going. We thank you for your continued support!
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Disclaimer: This episode was released on Sep 5, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
In this very special episode, we bring the first of three guests we will have on the show, who will present their solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. This time, we are honored to host Yisrael Piekrash - Chief Executive Officer - Anahnu Movement - a movement committed to solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with an unusual vision of the Two-State Solution. Yisrael, who was brought up in the Zionist-Religious community and established the movement, has concluded that Palestinian national rights are crucial for the future of Israel's existence. Join us to hear more from Yisrael about his community, and his path that led him to commit to solving the conflict once and for all. Do you agree with his vision? Share your thoughts in the comments!
For more info about the Anahnu Movement, check out their website here: https://www.anahnu.org.il/home-en
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Disclaimer: This episode was released on July 18, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
In this long-awaited episode, Amira and Ibrahim tackle the complex and multifaceted topic of protests! They explore demonstrations and university encampments across the United States and Europe, offering insights shaped by the media they’ve encountered. They also reflect on the ongoing protests in Israel—both those supporting and opposing the war—as well as the situation in Gaza. Please note that their perspectives are shaped by a limited lens of the media in the land and may not fully capture the reality of these protests on the ground.
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Disclaimer: This episode was released on July 4, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
In this episode, Amira and Ibrahim are joined by their dear friend Maoz Inon, an award-winning Israeli social entrepreneur and peace activist. Maoz’s life took a profound turn when his parents became some of the first identified victims of the October 7th massacre. Through his heartbreaking journey, Maoz has emerged as one of the most profound voices fighting for justice and peace. . Maoz shares how he has come to believe that true security and liberation are deeply intertwined and why oppression can never be a sustainable path. Tune in to hear his story and the powerful lessons he’s learned along the way.
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This episode was released on June 13, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
In this episode, hosts Amira and Ibrahim reflect on the sensitive and challenging period that both Palestinians and Israelis have been enduring. They share updates on their recent activities and delve into discussions on topics like objectivity, biases, Nakba, Independence Day, and more. The Third Narrative is not about presenting a neutral or unbiased perspective; rather, it is a space of radical transparency. The hosts unapologetically express their views on the events shaping their lives and invite their community to do the same—always within the bounds of respect and with the shared aim of improving the lives of people from the river to the sea.
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Disclaimer: This episode was released on June 6, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
In this special video episode, we bring you powerful personal stories from the generation that lived through the Nakba—a tragedy whose impact remains ongoing and unacknowledged. The atrocities faced by Palestinians today are a stark reminder that the Nakba did not end in 1948; its pain and consequences persist, affecting every generation.
We feature three extraordinary women who share their deeply moving accounts of the 1948 war and the Palestinian Nakba, recounting the experiences they and their families endured. Their stories are not just history—they are a mirror to the injustices that continue to unfold.
To our Palestinian audience, this is a heartfelt reminder: we must preserve our grandparents’ stories and safeguard our history. The Nakba’s legacy lives on, and if we don’t document and pass these narratives down, they risk being erased forever.
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In this episode, hosts Amira and Ibrahim are joined by the incredible Ashager Araro, an Ethiopian Jewish activist with a vibrant spirit and boundless charisma. Ashager founded Battae, an Ethiopian heritage center where she highlights the rich Ethiopian Jewish story through art, music, food, and personal narratives. Amira, Ibrahim, and Ashager delve into the shared and unique experiences of their communities as minorities in Israel, while Ashager takes us on a powerful journey through her culture, story, and community. Trigger Warning: This episode contains graphic descriptions of violence, death, and suicide, which may be distressing for some listeners.
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Disclaimer: This episode was released on April 5, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What stays consistent is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
In this compelling episode, Iranian-American attorney and activist Elica Le Bon shares her perspectives on the multifaceted challenges facing the Middle East, drawing deeply from her personal experiences and professional expertise. Reflecting on her upbringing as an Iranian, Elica offers thoughtful analysis and candid insights into the complexities of regional struggles, providing listeners with a valuable lens into the challenges and opportunities that shape the region’s future.
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Disclaimer: This episode was released on April 20, 2024. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What stays consistent is our commitment to a just and united future—because we all deserve better.
