Chicago attorney Chet Kamin joins host Amy Gunn to discuss his role in the landmark Stamler v. Willis litigation, which helped bring about the end of the House Un-American Activities Committee. Arguing that Dr. Jeremiah Stamler was targeted for his political beliefs, Kamin and his colleagues challenged the committee’s activities as unconstitutional and a violation of free expression. He reflects on the turbulent 1960s and 70s – marked by the Cold War, the Civil Rights movement, and a widespread public distrust of authority – and how societal change helped shape the judiciary’s role in protecting individual rights. Kamin also examines how threats to the Rule of Law persist today and emphasizes the importance of lawyers acting with integrity and courage to defend the Constitution.

Host Vince Citro welcomes Benjamin Chew, an acclaimed trial lawyer perhaps best known for representing Johnny Depp in the highly publicized defamation trial against Amber Heard. In this in-depth interview, Chew discusses his work on complex commercial disputes, international arbitration, and high-profile celebrity cases that make headlines around the world. He reflects on the challenges of advocating for clients under relentless media attention, the importance of collegiality and professionalism in trial practice, and why pro bono work can be one of the best ways for young attorneys to gain valuable trial experience.

* Please be advised that this episode discusses sensitive topics, including sexual abuse, and is intended for a mature audience. Bill Barton joins host Renee Rothauge for a candid and compelling conversation about the experiences that shaped his journey to becoming one of the most respected – and intriguing – plaintiff lawyers in the United States. Known for his groundbreaking work bringing the first sexual abuse cases against the Boy Scouts of America and the Vatican, Barton’s career is the result of hard work, dedication, and resilience. He’s also an author, writing a book titled Recovering for Psychological Damages, that became a go-to resource during the “Me Too” movement. Beyond the courtroom, Barton’s passion for history led him to study the life of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, a figure he has brought to life in a one-man performance for members of the U.S. Supreme Court, and one you’ll hear him embody on this episode of Trial Tested.

Justice Mahmud Jamal of the Supreme Court of Canada joins host Sandra Barton to share his journey from immigrant roots to Canada’s highest court. He offers a behind-the-scenes look at the collaborative and often philosophical work of judging, from preparing decisions to constitutional interpretation in a changing society. Justice Jamal also explores the evolving role of the judiciary in upholding the rule of law, advancing access to justice, and fostering public trust in an era of increasing legal complexity and rapidly advancing technology.

Texas trial attorney Chip Babcock joins host Mike Herring to reflect on a career shaped by storytelling, authenticity, and high-profile advocacy. From his early days in journalism to defending headline-making clients like Oprah Winfrey and Dr. Phil, and representing media giants such as Google and Warner Brothers, Babcock shares how credibility and sincerity in the courtroom build trust with juries—even under intense public scrutiny. He also recounts his defense in high-stakes defamation suits, including Dolcefino v. Turner, a case that drew national attention. With insights on trial strategy and media management, Babcock discusses how narrative, integrity, and public perception can all influence effective trial practice.

Canadian criminal defense lawyer Mona Duckett joins host Amy Gunn to share her insights on trial advocacy. Duckett recounts the successful appeal of an 18-year sentence in a manslaughter case involving decades of domestic abuse, arguing the plea warranted greater sentencing parity. She also describes defending a teen boy who was wrongfully charged – twice – with murder, first based on a coerced confession and later, a manipulative “Mr. Big” sting, highlighting systemic failures and police misconduct that ultimately prompted legal reforms to better protect youth. Reflecting on her journey, Duckett speaks candidly about the emotional demands and safety concerns of criminal defense work, particularly for women, and emphasizes the importance of boundaries, mentorship, and community within the profession.

Peter Canellos, Managing Editor of Politico and author of The Great Dissenter, joins host Renee Rothauge to explore the lasting impact of dissenting opinions in the U.S. Supreme Court through the legacy of Justice John Marshall Harlan. Highlighting landmark decisions such as Plessy v. Ferguson, Canellos explains how Harlan’s once-overlooked dissents became guiding principles for civil rights advocates and helped shape American jurisprudence. The conversation also touches on the power of dissents to influence future decisions, inspire legislative change, and reflect shifts in public opinion, while affirming the vital role of fact-based, trustworthy journalism in supporting democratic discourse.

In this powerful interview, Judge John Broderick joins host Amy Gunn to speak candidly about the pain he and his family endured during his son’s struggle with undiagnosed mental illness – an experience that ultimately led to a life-changing diagnosis. Since 2016, Judge Broderick has spoken extensively, especially at schools, to advocate for mental health education. He underscores how stigma leads to silence and suffering, especially within the legal profession, where it carries real economic consequences for firms through turnover, presenteeism, and absenteeism. Judge Broderick concludes with an appeal: learn to recognize the five signs of mental illness and help normalize conversations about mental health.

In this episode, ACTL Past President Doug Young reflects on how his family, mentors, and love of storytelling helped shape a distinguished career in trial and appellate law. He recounts powerful cases, from defending a troubled stockbroker in a white-collar Ponzi scheme to representing a corporation accused of environmental violations to arguing death penalty sentences – each highlighting the challenge of advocating for unpopular clients. Young shares vivid courtroom stories, including a dramatic Ninth Circuit argument that concluded with a 911 call, all underscoring his belief in professionalism, mentorship, and service.

Celebrated Canadian litigator Sheila Block joins host Sandra Barton.  Sheila reflects on a trailblazing, 50-year career defined by complex commercial litigation, and impactful pro bono work.  Sandra’s conversation with Sheila touches on civility; advocacy tips; and Sheila’s unique approach to navigating a male-dominated profession with wit and resilience.  Together, they also delve into Sheila’s defense of former Associate Chief Justice, Lori Douglas - a case in which Sheila raised challenges to judicial bias and advocated against penalizing victims for non-consensual publication of their intimate pictures.

Neil Eggleston joins host Dave Thomas to discuss his journey from growing up in Indiana to clerking for Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger and eventually serving as White House Counsel during the Obama administration. He reflects on his early experiences in Washington, including his role in the Iran-Contra investigation and later involvement in the Clinton administration, where he navigated the Monica Lewinsky scandal and various independent counsel inquiries. Throughout the conversation, Eggleston highlights the changes between politics and legal practice, particularly the intersection of executive privilege, congressional scrutiny, and legal ethics.

Former U.S. Attorney E. Martin Estrada joins host Vince Citro to discuss his journey from being the first in his family to attend law school to his career as a federal prosecutor and private attorney. Estrada shares how his family's immigration from Guatemala shaped his deep appreciation for the U.S. legal system and motivated his commitment to justice and public service. As U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California—the nation's most populous district—Estrada led high-stakes cases, including fentanyl prosecutions, civil rights violations, and public corruption. He aggressively pursued drug dealers responsible for fatal overdoses, violent gangs and white supremacist organizations. He also launched Operation Safe Cities, a program aimed at reducing gun violence. Estrada reflects on rewarding experiences, such as engaging with victims and mentoring youth in underserved communities, while also sharing difficult moments, including the Monterey Park mass shooting and the loss and destruction of the LA Wildfires.

In this special President’s Day episode, host Amy Gunn interviews Immediate Past President of the College Bill Murphy, whose career embodies principled advocacy. Bill recounts his first trial victory – a murder acquittal – his work alongside Edward Bennett Williams, and his high-profile defense of prominent DC attorney Gregory Craig as well as a Yemeni physician detained in Guantanamo Bay, underscoring the emotional and professional stakes of litigation. He also reflects on his leadership role in the College, discussing its efforts to support judicial independence, encourage mentorship and ensure access to justice.

As a young prosecutor, John Gleeson was part of a two-lawyer team that prosecuted mob boss John Gotti. That seven-month trial resulted in 1987 in an acquittal, and one of the jurors was later convicted for taking a bribe from John Gotti’s underboss. Five years later Gleeson was the lead prosecutor in the successful prosecution of Gotti, who was convicted of five murders and numerous other crimes and sentenced to life in prison. Gleeson then took the bench, where he witnessed firsthand the impact of mandatory minimum sentencing. In this compelling episode, Judge Gleeson joins host Vince Citro to discuss his journey from prosecutor to federal judge, sharing how his time on the bench transformed his perspective on justice. He recounts the case of Francois Holloway, whose 57-year sentence was reduced through Gleeson’s efforts while on the bench. This experience inspired Gleeson to create the Holloway Project, a pro bono initiative that seeks sentence reductions for inmates serving excessive sentences, focusing on those who have demonstrated personal growth and reform.  As of the time of this podcast, the Holloway Project at Debevoise had obtained sentence reductions for 61 clients, and the average reduction is more than 39 years.  

Carter Phillips, one of the most prolific U.S. Supreme Court advocates of our time, joins host Terri Mascherin to share insights into arguing before the nation’s highest court. With 90 cases argued, Phillips discusses the impact of oral arguments versus briefs on case outcomes, the art of anticipating questions, and shifts in courtroom dynamics over the past four decades. Phillips also emphasizes the importance of rigorous writing and practical experience for those pursuing a path in appellate advocacy.  

Join host Amy Gunn as she interviews Former U.S. Attorney and Acting Administrator of the DEA Chuck Rosenberg. As they delve into his study of Japanese American internment during WWII, Rosenberg discusses Executive Order 9066, ignored intelligence reports revealing no espionage threat, and landmark cases such as Hirabayashi, Korematsu, and Endo. He reveals how suppression of evidence led to devastating rulings justifying internment, even as Japanese American soldiers fought abroad while their families remained detained. Reflecting on this history, Rosenberg emphasizes the ongoing need for vigilance against fear-driven injustice.  

In this episode, host Dave Thomas and attorney Kevin Hamilton discuss the evolving legal landscape of elections. Hamilton clarifies the distinction between a recount and an election contest, while also addressing the litigation strategies and challenges seen in recent election cycles. The timely conversation delves into complex issues such as redistricting, voter rights and suppression efforts, and restrictions on absentee ballots – especially in marginalized communities. The conversation emphasizes the vital role of the judiciary in resolving election-related litigation.

Chicago attorney Bob Byman joins host Terri Mascherin to reflect on a career of high-profile, complex litigation cases and a Supreme Court argument that reversed a Ruth Bader Ginsberg decision – all delivered with a sharp wit and keen insights. He discusses the importance of resilience in facing challenges, emphasizing a career rooted in both civic duty and professional achievement. Byman also shares the personal significance of his pro bono work and why “nothing” is the best fee he ever earned.

Retired Canadian Supreme Court Justice Rosalie Abella joins host Renee Rothauge to discuss her life and legacy in human rights and equality law. As the first Jewish woman appointed to the Supreme Court of Canada, Justice Abella has championed the rights of marginalized communities throughout her career. Her groundbreaking work includes shaping the concept of equality through landmark decisions and dissents on family law, employment equity and religious freedoms. Beyond her legal contributions, Justice Abella also shares how her family history, along with her love of music and literature, helped shape her worldview.  

In part two of this interview, Jamal Alsaffar discusses the challenges and trial strategies involved in the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting case with host Amy Gunn. Alsaffar highlights the importance of empathy, sharing how he creatively used the courtroom's layout to help the judge and others grasp the trauma experienced by the victims. He recounts the discovery of crucial evidence, including handwritten notes revealing the shooter's extensive history of violent crimes and failed attempts to access military bases after discharge, arguing that the military’s negligence in reporting the shooter’s criminal history contributed to the tragedy. Alsaffar emphasizes the vital role of trial law in effecting change.