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Those Space People
Rachana
46 episodes
4 months ago
A podcast series of casual cosmic conversations with people working on all things space. Listen to all the episodes here --> https://thosespacepeople.transistor.fm/episodes
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Those Space People
Thermal Lens: Understanding Uncertainties in Land Surface Temperature (LST)

This episode of "Thermal Lens" features Dr. Claire Bulgin, a Senior Research Scientist in Earth Observation at the University of Reading.

Claire takes us into the often-overlooked world of uncertainties in land surface temperature (LST) measurements and elaborates on the differences between error and uncertainty, the roles of accuracy, precision, and bias, and the challenges of calculating and communicating uncertainties. Claire breaks down how current satellite missions address these issues, the common sources of uncertainty, and what goes into building reliable uncertainty budgets.

We also discuss her recommendations for both satellite data providers and users on how to better provide, interpret, and apply uncertainty information. Whether you're working in climate services, agriculture, or environmental monitoring, this conversation is packed with insights into how uncertainty shapes our understanding of the Earth’s surface.

This episode is hosted by Jennifer Susan Adams, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Zurich and Rachana Mamidi, a Space Engineer & Podcaster based in Berlin.

Links to resources mentioned in the episode:

  1.  The LST CCI project webpage - https://climate.esa.int/en/projects/land-surface-temperature/
  2. LST CCI product user guide - https://admin.climate.esa.int/media/documents/LST-CCI-D4.3-PUG_-_i2r0_-_Product_User_Guide.pdf
  3. Uncertainty budget document  - https://admin.climate.esa.int/media/documents/LST-CCI-D2.3-E3UB_-_i3r0_-_End-to-End_ECV_Uncertainty_Budget.pdf
    For users with a strong mathematical background, the entire document will be accessible. For those less comfortable with mathematics, attention should be directed to the last three pages,  where the key examples are presented.
  4. LST CCI Climate Assessment Report - https://admin.climate.esa.int/media/documents/LST_cci-D5.1-CAR_-_i3r0_-_Phase2_Climate_Assessment_Report.pdf

Chapters:

  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (01:07) - Episode Summary
  • (02:09) - Diving into Uncertainty and Error
  • (05:22) - Importance of Uncertainty in Data
  • (08:12) - Calculating Uncertainty Budgets
  • (12:59) - Lifecycle of Uncertainty in Satellite Data
  • (24:55) - Challenges in Computing Uncertainties
  • (28:18) - Educating Users on Uncertainty
  • (30:14) - European Space Agency's LST_CCI Project
  • (37:34) - Resources for Learning About Uncertainty
  • (39:21) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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7 months ago
40 minutes

Those Space People
Merging Art and Science to Tackle Flood Prediction

In this episode of Those Space People, we sit down with Priyanka Rajkakati, Head of Special Projects at Vortex IO in Toulouse, France. With a background in aerospace engineering and systems engineering, and a passion for art, Priyanka leads groundbreaking projects like Europe's first flood forecasting system (WHYLD project). She discusses her multidisciplinary approach, combining satellite data with in-situ sensors, the challenges in flood prediction, and the vital role of art in scientific endeavors. Join us for an insightful conversation that bridges the gap between technology and society, and explore how artistic perspectives can enhance technological solutions.

Chapters 

  • (00:00) - Introduction to Priyanka Rajkakati
  • (00:48) - Vortex IO and Water Intelligence
  • (01:55) - The WHYLD Project: Europe's First Flood Forecasting System
  • (05:02) - Priyanka's Journey from Art to Science
  • (07:49) - Challenges in Flood Prediction
  • (14:37) - The Role of Art in Scientific Projects
  • (25:56) - Flood Impact and Personal Motivation
  • (29:41) - Challenges in Space and Flooding
  • (30:58) - Forming the Reveins Initiative
  • (32:03) - The Role of Art in Science and Technology
  • (34:58) - Exploring Space Sci-Fi
  • (43:37) - Art and Space Collaborations
  • (49:51) - Final Thoughts and Future Projects

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1 year ago
52 minutes

Those Space People
Bridging the Gap: Space Policy towards Greening of the Space Sector

In today's episode, we are "Bridging the Gap" with Vera Pinto - Policy Coordinator at the European Commission (Directorate General for Defense Industry and Space). The discussion covers Vera's diverse background in international relations, political science, and space policy, and her current role focusing on equality, diversity, inclusion, and the sustainability of the space sector. Vera shares insights into the skills and backgrounds needed in the aerospace industry, the importance of greening space activities, and the development of sustainable methodologies for the space sector in collaboration with industry stakeholders. The episode also explores the potential of AI in enhancing environmental sustainability and processing vast quantities of Earth observation data, and discusses the various career paths and opportunities within the European Commission for those interested in the space sector.

This episode is part of the "Bridging the Gap" series brought to you by Women in Aerospace Europe (WIA-Europe) and Those Space People, and ties into the theme of the WIA-Europe Symposium 2024. 
 
"Bridging the Gap" is a special series that spotlights inspirational figures from the aerospace industry talk about the current skills gap, and provides guidance on developing skills to future proof your career. So if you're looking to enter the aerospace industry or advancing into leadership roles, then this series is tailor made for you.


Chapters

  • (00:00) - Introduction to Bridging the Gap Series
  • (00:38) - Spotlight on Vera Pinto: A Diverse Career in Space Policy
  • (01:06) - The Multifaceted Role of a Policy and Equality Coordinator
  • (02:12) - Skills and Backgrounds Needed in the European Commission
  • (03:31) - Sustainability in the Space Sector: Challenges and Methodologies
  • (09:41) - The Future of Green Roles in the Space Industry
  • (14:41) - AI's Role in Enhancing Space Sustainability
  • (20:55) - Diverse Career Paths at the European Commission
  • (27:41) - Advice for Aspiring Space Industry Professionals
  • (32:21) - Closing Thoughts and Personal Anecdotes

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1 year ago
34 minutes

Those Space People
Journey of an Aerospace Engineer into Venture Capital

In this podcast episode, Nithish Kumar, an aerospace engineer working with the VC firm Speciale Invest, shares his diverse experiences ranging from space education and outreach to entrepreneurship. Nithish recounts his proud yet failed passion project, ALINEA, which aimed to be a startup pitching platform inspired by Shark Tank, and how it marked a transformative period in his life during the COVID-19 pandemic. He delves into his transition from being deeply fascinated with space to exploring the business side of technology, leading to his current role at Speciale Invest. Nithish discusses the value of resilience, the transition from engineering to business, and how his early passion for space and podcasting played a pivotal role in defining his career trajectory.

Chapters

  • (00:00) - Welcome to Those Space People: Meet Nithish Kumar
  • (00:37) - The Story of ALINEA: A Failed Passion Project
  • (04:21) - From ALINEA's Lessons to Space Tech Investment
  • (05:12) - An Aerospace Engineer in the VC World
  • (08:53) - The Power of Networking in Venture Capital
  • (11:27) - A Journey Through Space Education and Outreach
  • (19:31) - The Unbounded Podcast: A Gateway to Space Tech Insights
  • (25:16) - The Resilience Required in Venture Capital


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1 year ago
27 minutes

Those Space People
The Future of AI in Space Exploration: Insights from JPL NASA and ISRO Experts

In this episode, Asitang Mishra, a senior data scientist from JPL NASA, and Nitish Kumar, an AI team lead from ISRO, discuss the current and future applications of Artificial Intelligence in space exploration. They delve into how AI is transforming space missions, from satellite imagery analysis and space debris modeling to the automation of spacecraft systems. The conversation also covers the challenges and opportunities AI presents, the integration of AI into space agency workflows, and potential AI-driven advancements in space technology. Furthermore, the discussion touches on the necessity of AI literacy among space professionals, the impact of AI on job roles within the space industry, and the impact of AI advancements on regulations like ITAR. The guests also explore the broader implications of AI on the future of work, emphasizing the growing importance of AI in making space exploration safer, more efficient, and more innovative.

Chapters

  • (00:00) - Welcome to Those Space People: NASA and ISRO Experts Share Insights
  • (01:18) - AI's Role and Challenges in ISRO's Space Missions
  • (03:30) - How NASA is Leveraging AI: From ChatGPT to Spacecraft Autonomy
  • (05:05) - Exploring the Use of AI in Historical and Current Space Missions
  • (07:33) - The Impact of ChatGPT and AI on Space Agencies
  • (10:25) - The Future of AI in Space: Predictions and Possibilities
  • (18:17) - Leveraging AI for Knowledge Management and Innovation
  • (27:34) - Preparing for an AI-Driven Future in the Space Industry
  • (32:31) - Exploring AI's Role in Hardware: Limitations and Potential in the Physical World
  • (41:53) - Exploring the Capabilities of Large Language Models (LLMs)
  • (47:53) - AI's Impact on Space Debris Management and Traffic
  • (52:36) - The Future of Employment in the AI-Enhanced Space Industry
  • (56:11) - Navigating ITAR and Open Source in Space Tech
  • (01:01:10) - AI Teams and Projects Across ISRO Centers
  • (01:03:29) - Concluding Thoughts on AI's Expansive Potential

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1 year ago
1 hour 6 minutes

Those Space People
Impact of podcasting on space industry communication

This episode of 'Those Space People' features Alice Carruth, a podcast producer at T-Minus Space Daily Podcast for a deep dive into the world of space podcasting. Alice discusses her role as a podcast producer, the similarities and differences in podcast production within the space industry, and her career journey from broadcast journalism to becoming a key voice in space news dissemination. She emphasizes the importance of making complex space technology understandable for the general audience, the evolution of space industry marketing, and the critical role of human narrative in podcasting. Alice also delves into the use of AI in content creation, the globalization of the space industry, and the significance of cultural diversity in shaping the future of space exploration. This episode offers an insightful look into the interplay between media, technology, and human stories in building a more accessible and globally representative space sector.


Chapters

  • (00:00) - Welcome to Those Space People: Introducing Alice Carruth
  • (00:40) - The Role of a Podcast Producer in the Space Industry
  • (02:42) - Alice's Journey into Space and Media
  • (04:02) - Demystifying Space for the Public
  • (06:45) - The Impact of AI on Podcast Production
  • (08:23) - Exploring the Future of AI in Content Creation
  • (14:41) - The Global Landscape of Space Podcasting
  • (18:05) - Making a Career in Space Podcasting
  • (22:27) - The Importance of Diverse Perspectives in Space
  • (31:58) - Cultural Differences in the Space Industry
  • (35:38) - Closing Thoughts: Space as a Global Commons
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1 year ago
36 minutes

Those Space People
Thermal Lens: Impact of directionality on Land Surface Temperature (LST)

This episode of “Thermal Lens” features Mary Langsdale, an Environmental Scientist at King’s College London. Mary has a background in mathematics and a Phd in remote sensing.


In this episode, Mary delves into her recent multi-national ESA and NASA co-funded air-borne and ground campaign that aimed to quantify the effect of directionality on land surface temperature (LST) data. She elaborates on the significance of directionality in LST measurements, exploring techniques and data requirements for its accurate assessment. Issues surrounding data availability, correction methods, and the implications for downstream applications are also discussed. Mary emphasizes the need for better validation strategies and the potential of AI to process large-scale remote sensing data. Lastly, she offers insights into the essential skills and mindset required to excel in the field of remote sensing.


This episode is hosted by Jennifer Susan Adams, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Zurich and Rachana Mamidi, Space Engineer & Podcaster based in Berlin.


Links to resources mentioned in the episode:

  1. ESA & NASA airborne and ground campaign in Italy - https://www.nceo.ac.uk/article/airborne-and-ground-campaign-in-italy-during-summer/
  2. Blogpost on the campaign - https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/enhanced-sensor-design-developed-by-kings-accuracy-of-monitoring-for-heatwaves-wildfires
  3. Review paper on directionality - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0034425719303232

Chapters

  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (01:07) - Episode Summary
  • (01:52) - What is directionality and what drives it (ESA & NASA airborne and ground campaign)
  • (09:35) - Quantifying, correcting and accounting for directionality
  • (16:53) - Implications for sensors, products and applications
  • (25:39) - Deep dive into the ESA & NASA airborne and ground campaign
  • (32:04) - What to look for as a non-expert
  • (35:29) - Other challenges in LST and changing landscape of thermal remote sensing
  • (41:04) - What should you study if you want to get into TIR remote sensing?
  • (43:03) - The role of AI in remote sensing
  • (45:55) - Publications and resources on the ESA & NASA campaign

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1 year ago
47 minutes

Those Space People
Thermal Lens: Monitoring plant health from space

This episode of “Thermal Lens” features Charlie Siggs, Commercial Agronomist at constellr. constellr is a German satellite company providing thermal intelligence for better resource accountability in agriculture. They build satellites for imaging in thermal wavelengths, which allow analysing water stress in plants.
Charlie has a background in agriculture and has been solving problems in the agriculture industry for over 15 years.

In this episode, we discuss how agronomists work with satellite companies to monitor plant health using thermal imagery. We explain how thermal imagery reveals plant water stress and the importance of accuracy and resolution in this process. We also explore the use of different wavelengths and data fusion techniques. Commercially, we consider the value of company data for various applications and collaboration opportunities. Lastly, we touch on the skillset needed for agronomists to work in satellite applications. Join us as we explore the link between agriculture and satellite technology.

This episode is hosted by Agnieszka Soszyńska & Rachana Mamidi

Chapters

  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (01:06) - Episode overview
  • (01:41) - What is an agronomist doing in a satellite company?
  • (03:42) - How can we see plant stress in thermal imagery
  • (06:59) - Spatial resolution and other requirements to observe plant stress in agriculture
  • (14:22) - Using thermal bands and visible bands together
  • (17:07) - Data fusion with aerial and in-situ sensors
  • (19:14) - Predicting diseases in crops
  • (20:42) - The optimal space-borne observation for plant stress analysis
  • (24:14) - Data products for plant stress analysis
  • (25:49) - Commercial companies and large agency missions
  • (29:25) - Who needs thermal intelligence?
  • (33:44) - Applications across different geographies
  • (35:27) - constellr business model: what are the products, who are the clients?
  • (42:18) - Applications beyond agriculture
  • (44:40) - Looking for collaborations?
  • (46:47) - Required skills for a career as an agronomist specializing in space applications
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1 year ago
51 minutes

Those Space People
Sustainability through space based solar power

Roxana Dumitru is the COO & co-founder at ParaLoon. ParaLoon is a new space start-up aspiring to harness space based solar power for both space and on Earth using inflatable parabolic balloon structures. 

With a background in architecture, civil engineering, and physics, Roxana shares her journey from these fields to space entrepreneurship. She discusses the innovative technology of space-based solar power, its challenges, and strategies for overcoming them. Roxana envisions sustainable space exploration and encourages professionals from diverse backgrounds to shape the future of space technology and beyond.

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1 year ago
43 minutes

Those Space People
Bridging the Gap: Unveiling skills and networks in the space industry

In today’s episode, we’re “Bridging the Gap” with Shelli Brunswick - the COO of Space Foundation. Space Foundation is a non-profit organization leading  space awareness activities, educational programs and major industry events and is headquartered in Colorado Springs, Colo., USA. All through her distinguished career as a program management leader and congressional liaison for the U.S. Air Force, to her current role at the Space Foundation, Shelli has always been passionate to contribute to the development of the next-generation workforce.


During the episode, Shelli elaborates on the different inroads into the space industry. She talks about the most sought after skill sets and shares insights into the prevalent gaps within the talent pool. Emphasizing the need for customized space outreach, Shelli underscores the importance of aligning outreach strategies with the unique values and aspirations of individuals within a country.Shelli concludes by underscoring the role of networking in uncovering new opportunities within the space sector.


Here are the networking organizations mentioned by Shelli: 

Women in Aerospace (Europe/USA/Canada/Africa) https://www.womeninaerospace.org/ 

Women Tech Network - https://www.womentech.net/ 

SGAC https://spacegeneration.org/ 

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1 year ago
23 minutes

Those Space People
Thermal Lens: Calibration is the poor step-child of remote sensing designs

“Calibration is the poor step-child of remote sensing designs” - Ellis Freedman


Welcome back to the second part of our conversation with Ellis Freedman, the founder of Serious Science. In the previous episode, Ellis talked about the differences between big space missions and smaller newspace ones. Today, we're diving into thermal mission design.


We'll cover essential topics like challenges in satellite bus design for thermal payloads, calibrating IR sensors, and understanding the hardware behind IR imaging systems. Ellis emphasizes the significance of fundamental radiometry knowledge for users of thermal data, elaborating on several key concepts, and delves into the skills required to work with thermal data. And lastly, he discusses the impact of AI and ML on thermal data processing and shares his predictions for the future of thermal remote sensing.


  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (01:28) - Challenges in mission design for thermal satellites
  • (10:42) - Calibration of IR sensors
  • (14:18) - Hardware components of IR imaging systems
  • (18:29) - Radiometry knowledge required for thermal data users
  • (22:02) - Skills needed to work with thermal data
  • (25:24) - Radiometric processing in TIR vs Visible
  • (26:45) - Impact of AI and ML on thermal data processing
  • (30:40) - Future evolution of thermal remote sensing
  • (34:57) - The End
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2 years ago
35 minutes

Those Space People
Thermal Lens: Large legacy missions vs smaller newspace missions

Join us in today's episode as we sit down with Ellis Freedman, the founder of Serious Science, a US-based consulting company specializing in satellite imaging systems. With over 40 years of experience in radiometry for infrared (IR) and VSWIR imaging, Ellis brings a wealth of knowledge from diverse remote sensing missions, including NASA's Landsat program. He has also served as a visiting lecturer on remote sensing payload design and IR phenomenology at Villanova University in the USA.

Ellis being a seasoned systems engineer, our conversation with him covers a range of topics. To ensure clarity, we've divided this insightful discussion into two distinct episodes. In our first segment, we delve into the distinctions between large space agency missions and smaller newspace missions. Tune in for insights into mission planning, target users, challenges in satellite bus design, data quality considerations, and potential synergies between data from large and smaller missions.

  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (02:11) - About Ellis Freedman and Serious Science
  • (05:05) - How are large agency missions initiated and planned
  • (10:54) - Who are the target users
  • (14:32) - How are small commercial missions initiated
  • (18:45) - Challenges in satellite bus design for small thermal missions
  • (21:25) - Data quality
  • (23:01) - Synergies between data from large and smaller missions
  • (25:42) - Use commercial data together with agency data?
  • (28:14) - End of first segment
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2 years ago
28 minutes

Those Space People
Into the world of spacecraft guidance, navigation and control (GNC/AOCS)

Sanket Suman Dash is an Assistant Principal Engineer (AOCS/GNC) at ST Engineering which is a Singaporean multinational technology and engineering group. His area of expertise is AOCS/GNC.

Sanket takes us into the world of spacecraft GNC (Guidance, Navigation &  Control) and explains in detail the different elements of attitude and orbit determination for diverse applications of orbit maneuvering, station keeping, image pointing, potential docking and such. He talks about the effects of the current trend of component miniaturization on the AOCS subsystem. Do listen in for some valuable advice on pursuing a career around satellite GNC/AOCS!

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2 years ago
38 minutes

Those Space People
Thermal Lens: Reflecting on ASTER's 23+ Years in Orbit

The ASTER (Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer) instrument has been in space for nearly 25 years, riding aboard the Terra satellite. As the satellite's orbit gradually descends, we've taken the opportunity to explore the instrument's legacy, the insights gained from its mission, and its significant contributions to the advancement of thermal remote sensing. This episode delves into the origins of the ASTER mission, its pivotal role in shaping the field of thermal remote sensing, and the potential directions for future developments in the field.

Our guest, Michael Abrams, serves as the Science Team Lead for the ASTER mission at NASA JPL. With almost half a century of experience in thermal remote sensing, Michael has been at the helm of the ASTER mission for over two decades. His background in geology and his involvement in the development of new remote sensing instruments at NASA JPL make him a true veteran in the field.

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2 years ago
1 hour 3 minutes

Those Space People
Thermal Lens: LST (Land Surface Temperature) explained

Land Surface Temperature (LST) is a vital measure derived from thermal remote sensing satellite data. In the summer of 2023, it gained attention in the media and stirred some confusion when compared to regular air temperatures.


In the first episode of the special series "Thermal Lens," we feature Michael Perry from the University of Leicester. He's been part of important space missions like LSTM and Sentinel-3's SLSTR, all focused on studying LST. Mike, with a background in physics and a PhD in developing new ways to understand LST and emissivity, is our expert.


During the episode, Mike explains what LST truly is, how we calculate it, and where we obtain the data. He also simplifies the various methods and algorithms used, making it easier to grasp their differences.


If you're new to LST, this episode provides practical advice on selecting the right data for different applications.

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2 years ago
42 minutes

Those Space People
Pursuing a career in astronomy and astrophysics across geographies

Abhijeet Borkar is a research scientist at the Astronomical Institute of Czech Academy of Sciences.  He has a PhD in Astronomy and Astrophysics from the University of Cologne. Abhijeet is currently based in Prague.

Having studied and spent time in universities across India, Germany and Prague, Abhijeet shares insights into building a career in astronomy and astrophysics across different geographies. He shares his experience of working with space-based and several ground based telescopes across the world. He also talks about the impact of mega constellations on astronomy and the astronomer community's perspectives around it. He gives an overview of the different kinds of softwares and skillsets typically required for an astronomer and how to get into learning them. We end the podcast with a passionate discussion on our favourite space sci-fi!


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2 years ago
48 minutes

Those Space People
The incredibly offbeat career trajectory of a space consultant & analyst

Omkar Nikam is the founder of Access Hub, a space technology, defense, and security research and analysis firm with a global coverage and special emphasis on Europe. Omkar is also a free-lance consultant and analyst and writes extensively around space applications for defense and international security. He is also the host of the Space, Defence, & Security podcast.

Omkar's career trajectory is testament to the fact that imagination is the only limit in carving out a niche for oneself in the space industry. He shares delightful insights into his journey from remote sensing & astronomy to security & strategy while gaining experience in technical writing, journalism, economics and space law/policy along the way. Omkar also talks about landing consulting opportunities around Europe and across the world. He believes in taking a multi-disciplinary approach to space and is currently also writing a space SciFi novel from a defence and security perspective!


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2 years ago
42 minutes

Those Space People
Deep dive into the world of space systems engineering

Vinayak Vadlamani is a Chief Engineer at Redwire space and currently based in Luxembourg. He has a background in systems engineering.
Redwire Space in Luxembourg designs and develops robotic arms for satellite servicing and refuelling, in-space manufacturing, debris capture, etc.

Vinayak takes us through the journey of a space systems engineer and elaborates on how responsibilities evolve with career progression as a systems engineer. He shares an overview of the Luxembourg space scene and talks about the process of landing opportunities and getting a work-permit as a non-EU citizen in the space sector there. He provides a lot of insights into the various tools and softwares used for space systems engineering and talks about AI integrations into the process of requirements engineering and systems engineering in general.

Resources
INCOSE (International Council on Systems Engineering) - https://www.incose.org/systems-engineering 

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2 years ago
45 minutes

Those Space People
Insights into market development in the earth observation space

Regina Kozyra is a market development manager at Planet and she is currently located in Berlin, Germany. Regina has a background in economics and management. She had previously founded Skyvory Projects, a consulting and business development company.

Having worked in the Earth Observation space at the Polish Space Research Center and then later at the European GNSS agency, Regina talks about the opportunities and gaps in earth observation. She reminisces about her experiences with Skyvory. She also shares insights into market development in the earth observation vertical and what skillset is required to pursue a career in this space.


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2 years ago
34 minutes

Those Space People
Learning about space situational awareness from an astrodynamics expert
Harleen takes us into the world of astrodynamics and talks about her work at Okapi and her astronomy research. She elaborates on how objects are tracked in space, what data sources are used and how their trajectories are predicted. She explains the various aspects of the umbrella term - space situational awareness which has lately been a part of every space conversation. She also emphasizes the need to act right now towards mitigating the space debris problem. Being a linguaphile, Harleen shares her experiences of working across Switzerland, France and Germany and narrates some funny stories along the way.
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2 years ago
52 minutes

Those Space People
A podcast series of casual cosmic conversations with people working on all things space. Listen to all the episodes here --> https://thosespacepeople.transistor.fm/episodes