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We chatted with Andrew Hatch about runbooks and when they're terrible, or when they might not suck so bad.
We talked about why the resilience engineering community focuses on human factors and not technical ones, and how to talk to a skeptical boss about that.
We talk about our favorite recommendations for someone who's just getting into this whole resilience engineering thing.
A small note: Clint's voice is a little low in this one! We tried to do audio magic as much as we could to fix it, but hopefully you'll forgive us with your holiday spirit and we'll do better next time. <3