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The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Industrial Relations Section, Princeton University
45 episodes
1 week ago
Eric Hanushek, Paul and Jean Hanna Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, discusses his significant contributions to educational policy, his work on the economic returns to educational quality, the impact of No Child Left Behind, and how teacher effectiveness is best measured by student outcomes. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-10/045-TWGO%20Hanushek_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/eric-hanushek-2025
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Eric Hanushek, Paul and Jean Hanna Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, discusses his significant contributions to educational policy, his work on the economic returns to educational quality, the impact of No Child Left Behind, and how teacher effectiveness is best measured by student outcomes. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-10/045-TWGO%20Hanushek_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/eric-hanushek-2025
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The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Eric Hanushek on what test scores indicate about teacher effectiveness and national growth, and more
Eric Hanushek, Paul and Jean Hanna Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, discusses his significant contributions to educational policy, his work on the economic returns to educational quality, the impact of No Child Left Behind, and how teacher effectiveness is best measured by student outcomes. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-10/045-TWGO%20Hanushek_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/eric-hanushek-2025
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1 week ago
31 minutes

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Judy Gueron on "never quitting" as a female economist and her groundbreaking work at MDRC
Judy Gueron, Independent Scholar in Residence and President Emerita at Manpower Demonstration Research Corporation (MDRC), discusses her education at Radcliffe and Harvard, her long-term work at the MDRC, her research on welfare reform, and the challenges of pursuing a career in economics as a woman. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-10/044-TWGO-Gueron_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/judy-gueron-2025
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3 weeks ago
33 minutes 55 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Morris Kleiner on the public policy effects of his work on labor migration & occupational licensing
Morris Kleiner, professor and AFL-CIO Chair in Labor Policy at the Humphrey School of Public Affairs at the University of Minnesota, discusses his academic background, his research on state-to-state labor migration and occupational licensing, and his impact on public policy. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-09/043-TWGO-Kleiner_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/morris-kleiner-2025
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1 month ago
33 minutes 45 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Charles Brown on pay gaps, unions, productivity, and the firing of the BLS Commissioner
Charles Brown, professor of economics and research professor of the Survey Research Center, emeritus at the University of Michigan, discusses his upbringing in Ohio, his academic studies at Boston College and Harvard, his work on labor economics, and his time as director of the Panel Survey of Income Dynamics (PSID). Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-09/042-TWGO-Brown_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/charles-brown-2025
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1 month ago
30 minutes 29 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
William B. Gould IV on chairing the NLRB & honoring his great-grandfather, a black Civil War sailor
William B. Gould IV, the Charles A. Beardsley Professor of Law, emeritus at the Stanford University Law School, discusses his work on labor relations, his chairmanship at the National Labor Relations Board, and a remarkable great-grandfather who escaped slavery and joined the Union Navy in the Civil War. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-05/041-TWGO-Gould_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/william-gould-iv-2025
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5 months ago
32 minutes 47 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Michael Moskow on his path from Paterson, NJ to “…one of the best jobs you can have in Washington”
Michael Moskow, the vice chair and distinguished fellow, global economy at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, discusses his work on labor relations, collective bargaining, and his numerous posts in both the private and public sectors, including at the U.S. Labor Department, and the Council of Economic Advisers. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-04/040-TWGO-Moskow_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/michael-moskow-2025
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6 months ago
31 minutes 42 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Gavin Wright on the Civil Rights Revolution through the eyes of an economic historian
Gavin Wright, William Robertson Coe Professor of American Economic History, emeritus, at Stanford University, discusses his work on the economics of slavery, Black mobility patterns after the Civil War, and his thoughts on the current state of Black economies in the American South. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-04/039-TWGO-Wright_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/gavin-wright-2025
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7 months ago
32 minutes 56 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Heidi Hartmann on equal pay, family leave, and gender equity in the field of Economics
Heidi Hartmann, distinguished economist in residence at American University and emeritus founder and president of the Institute of Women’s Policy Research, discusses her work in the public policy arena, especially her studies on the gender gap and equal pay, and her on-going thoughts on women and the economics profession. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-03/038-TWGO-Hartmann_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/heidi-hartmann-2025
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7 months ago
32 minutes 18 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Michael Reich on how political polarization has impacted debate on the minimum wage
Michael Reich, professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, discusses his studies of labor market segmentation, the beneficial effects of the minimum wage on the economy, the current climate of political polarization, and his belief that the 2024 elections indicate a marked transition for the U.S. economy. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-02/037-TWGO-Reich_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/michael-reich-2025
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8 months ago
31 minutes 35 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Harry Katz on his push for a more cooperative environment in labor-management relationships
Harry Katz, the Jack Sheinkman Professor of Collective Bargaining at Cornell University’s School of Industrial and Labor Relations, discusses his academic background, his studies of collective bargaining, his work with the United Auto Workers (UAW), and his ongoing thoughts on how to make labor negotiations more inclusive and cooperative. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-12/036-TWGO-Katz_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/harry-katz-2024
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10 months ago
31 minutes 44 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Henry Farber on his path from Teamster to one of the preeminent researchers of labor economics
Henry Farber, Hughes-Rogers Professor of Economics emeritus at Princeton University, discusses his early life growing up in an industrial, working-class town in New Jersey, his early interest in labor unions and his nearly fifty-year-long study of labor economics. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-11/035-TWGO-Farber_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/henry-farber-2024
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11 months ago
29 minutes 11 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
George Borjas on his journey from Cuba to Harvard and his work on the “hot” topic of immigration
George Borjas, the Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School, discusses his early life in Cuba, his experiences as an immigrant in the United States, his schooling at Columbia University, and his thoughts on the current immigration debate in the United States. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-11/034-TWGO-Borjas_transcript.pdf. For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/George-Borjas-2024.
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1 year ago
33 minutes 24 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Robert Moffitt on his “rewarding” career integrating economics, sociology and public policy
Robert Moffitt, the Krieger-Eisenhower Professor of Economics at Johns Hopkins University, discusses his early education, his interest in labor economics, applied microeconometrics, and welfare policy, and how his work has influenced major debates in public policy, especially the economics of low-income populations in the United States. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-10/033-TWGO-Moffitt_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/robert-moffitt-2024
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1 year ago
33 minutes 41 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Samuel Bowles on his deep interest in the causes of inequality & his work to transform economics
Samuel Bowles, Emeritus Professor of Economics at the University of Massachusetts and Research Professor and Director of the Behavioral Sciences Program at the Santa Fe Institute, discusses his deep-rooted interest in economic inequality and how his work has challenged many of the conventional assumptions of modern economic theory. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-10/032-TWGO-Bowles_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/samuel-bowles-2024
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1 year ago
36 minutes 55 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Marjorie McElroy on a long academic career and navigating the economics profession as a woman
Marjorie McElroy, Professor of Economics at Duke University, joins the podcast to discuss her long and varied academic career, her research on the economics of marriage and the family, and, especially, the challenges and gender discrimination she faced as, at the time, one of the few female economists pursuing a traditionally male-dominated profession. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-09/031-TWGO-McElroy_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/marjorie-mcelroy-2024
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1 year ago
25 minutes 15 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Orley Ashenfelter on the “irresistible” pull of policy evaluation & why the IR Section is so special
For the 30th episode of "The Work Goes On", we flipped the script and asked our long-time host Orley Ashenfelter, the Joseph Douglas Green 1895 Professor of Economics, Emeritus at Princeton University and former director of Princeton’s Industrial Relations Section (IR Section), to start answering questions instead of asking them. Janet Currie, the Henry Putnam Professor of Economics and Public Affairs at Princeton and one of Orley’s former students, joins us in this episode as a special guest host. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-09/030-TWGO-Ashenfelter_transcript.pdf. For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/orley-ashenfelter-2024
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1 year ago
31 minutes 26 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Ernst Stromsdorfer on studying vocational training in academia, government, and the private sector
Ernst Stromsdorfer, Emeritus Professor of Economics at Washington State University, joins the podcast to discuss his impressive body of research on the impact of labor market programs on different groups of people, and his wide-ranging career across academia, the private sector, and state and federal governments. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-06/029-TWGO-Stromsdorfer_transcript3.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/ernst-stromsdorfer-2024
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1 year ago
23 minutes 1 second

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
David Lewin on employee voice in a capitalist economy and the re-emergence of unionization
David Lewin, the Neil Jacoby Emeritus Professor of Management and Human Resources at UCLA’s Anderson Graduate School of Management. joins the podcast to discuss what sparked his interest in unions and grievance procedures, the Federal Trade Commission's new plan to ban noncompete agreements, and why unionization will re-emerge in the U.S. south and elsewhere. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-05/028-TWGO-Lewin_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/david-lewin-2024
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1 year ago
29 minutes 6 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Robert Michael on collecting specialized data to inform public policy
Robert T. Michael, the Eliakim Hastings Moore Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus and Dean Emeritus at the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy, joins the podcast to discuss his path to the University of Chicago, why he loves teaching, and the challenges of collecting vital data on sensitive topics like human sexual behavior. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-04/027-TWGO-Michael_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/robert-michael-2024
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1 year ago
30 minutes 10 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Barry Chiswick on immigration, the American Jewish experience, and how to measure discrimination
Barry Chiswick, Professor of Economics and International Affairs at George Washington University, joins the podcast to discuss his wealth of research on immigration and what he learned studying Jewish Americans in the labor market. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2024-03/026-TWGO-Chiswick_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/barry-chiswick-2024
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1 year ago
29 minutes 8 seconds

The Work Goes On: An Oral History of Industrial Relations and Labor Economics with Princeton’s Orley Ashenfelter
Eric Hanushek, Paul and Jean Hanna Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, discusses his significant contributions to educational policy, his work on the economic returns to educational quality, the impact of No Child Left Behind, and how teacher effectiveness is best measured by student outcomes. Read a transcript of the podcast here: https://irs100.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/2025-10/045-TWGO%20Hanushek_transcript.pdf For more details on this episode, visit: https://irs100.princeton.edu/podcasts/eric-hanushek-2025