Sticky From The Inside is the go-to podcast for anyone looking to transform their workplace into a thriving, competition-crushing powerhouse. We’re on a mission to change the fact that 65% of employees worldwide are disengaged from their work—because that’s not just bad for business, it’s a waste of time and talent.
Each episode, we bring you dynamic conversations with global experts, thought leaders, and innovative thinkers who share their strategies, stories, and secrets for building a “Stickier Business”—a place where employees are passionate, customers are loyal, and success is the norm.
If you’re ready to boost employee engagement, create an unbeatable workplace culture, and lead with impact, tune in and discover how to build a business that people love from the inside out.
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Sticky From The Inside is the go-to podcast for anyone looking to transform their workplace into a thriving, competition-crushing powerhouse. We’re on a mission to change the fact that 65% of employees worldwide are disengaged from their work—because that’s not just bad for business, it’s a waste of time and talent.
Each episode, we bring you dynamic conversations with global experts, thought leaders, and innovative thinkers who share their strategies, stories, and secrets for building a “Stickier Business”—a place where employees are passionate, customers are loyal, and success is the norm.
If you’re ready to boost employee engagement, create an unbeatable workplace culture, and lead with impact, tune in and discover how to build a business that people love from the inside out.
The Fisher Change Curve: Navigating The Emotional Side Of Change
The Sticky From The Inside Podcast
49 minutes
1 week ago
The Fisher Change Curve: Navigating The Emotional Side Of Change
Change is rarely just a rational process — it’s an emotional journey.
In this episode of Sticky From The Inside, I’m joined by John Fisher, business psychologist, constructivist thinker, and creator of the Fisher Change Curve. His model goes beyond the Kubler-Ross grief curve to capture the messy, shifting emotions people actually experience during change, from anxiety and fear, to guilt, confusion, and eventual acceptance.
We explore why organisations so often mishandle change, the crucial difference between self-initiated and imposed change, and the role of emotional triggers like SCARF. John also shares practical ways leaders can support their teams and themselves through uncertainty, plus his three Sticky Notes of advice for navigating change with confidence and compassion.
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Key Takeaways
Change is emotional, not just rational. People experience fear, guilt, and confusion — not just a neat process plan.
Kubler-Ross isn’t enough. Grief stages don’t capture the nuance of organisational or self-initiated change.
Small wins create momentum. Celebrating quick wins helps rebuild confidence and reduces resistance.
Leaders must engage with honesty. Open conversations, empathy, and clarity move teams from compliance to commitment.
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Key Moments
The key moments in this episode are:
0:01:10 – Why change is never just a process problem0:05:57 – Meet John Fisher: from radar systems to psychology0:08:22 – Why the emotional side of change matters0:11:35 – Constructivism and interpretation in change0:14:22 – Do we treat change differently at work than in life?0:17:05 – Self-initiated vs imposed change: why control matters0:21:09 – Why Kubler-Ross isn’t enough for organisational change0:24:03 – Introducing the Fisher Change Curve0:27:58 – Stages of the curve: from anxiety to acceptance0:34:53 – Quick wins, small steps, and sustainable change0:36:39 – SCARF triggers and why leaders misjudge readiness0:41:36 – Practical advice: honesty, engagement, and WIIFM0:45:28 – John’s three Sticky Notes of advice
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The Sticky From The Inside Podcast
Sticky From The Inside is the go-to podcast for anyone looking to transform their workplace into a thriving, competition-crushing powerhouse. We’re on a mission to change the fact that 65% of employees worldwide are disengaged from their work—because that’s not just bad for business, it’s a waste of time and talent.
Each episode, we bring you dynamic conversations with global experts, thought leaders, and innovative thinkers who share their strategies, stories, and secrets for building a “Stickier Business”—a place where employees are passionate, customers are loyal, and success is the norm.
If you’re ready to boost employee engagement, create an unbeatable workplace culture, and lead with impact, tune in and discover how to build a business that people love from the inside out.
