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The Space Between
William Gibson
28 episodes
22 hours ago
A podcast exploring the space between faith and doubt, joy and pain, certainty and questioning.
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A podcast exploring the space between faith and doubt, joy and pain, certainty and questioning.
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Religion & Spirituality
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The Space Between
25 - God is Green with Ian Bradley
In this episode William speaks with Professor Ian Bradley about the updated release of his book God is Green. They discuss the anthropocentrism which is often present in many discussions around climate, the original greenness present within Christianity, how the narrative of the fall plays in to the topic of climate action and the implications of the concept of the cosmic Christ and a panentheistic approach to Christian theology. You can purchase God is Green here: https://www.dartonlongmantodd.co.uk/titles/2285-9780232534702-god-is-green
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3 years ago
36 minutes 50 seconds

The Space Between
Bonus - Cussing, Smoking and Tattoos-Oh My!

In this bonus episode William has a conversation with Melanie from Holy Heretics and Katherine from Uncertain Podcast to discuss why swear words, smoking and tattoos were considered to be sinful within evangelicalism despite the severe lack of condemnation found in the pages of scripture.  They discuss the cultural influences and power differentials that made swearing, smoking and having tattoos clear indicators of where an individual was in their walk with God.  They also discuss how all this relates to class and gender and how the Church often takes more of a steer from culture than it likes to admit when it comes to morality.  

Follow Holy Heretics on Instagram @holyhereticspodcast : https://www.instagram.com/holyhereticspodcast/?hl=en

Follow Uncertain Podcast on Instagram @uncertainpodcast : https://www.instagram.com/uncertainpodcast/?hl=en

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4 years ago
47 minutes 21 seconds

The Space Between
24 - Queering the Queer with David Bennett

In this episode William talks with David Bennett.  David is a DPhil candidate at Oxford University originally from Sydney Australia. William talks to David about his conversion to Christianity, how he ended up in academia and specifically studying theology and his thesis for his doctorate, "Queering the Queer".  Additionally they also discuss what it means to be a celibate gay Christian, what the Church of England terminology of side A and side B means, how the Church has failed those who feel called to celibacy and often turned relationships and marriage into an idol.

You can connect with David here: 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dacbennett/?hl=en

Book (A War of Loves): https://www.zondervan.com/9780310538103/a-war-of-loves/

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4 years ago
1 hour 3 minutes 15 seconds

The Space Between
23 - The Gospel for the Privileged by Nehemiah Olson

In this episode William speaks with the author of The Gospel for the Privileged Nehemiah Olson.  They discuss the concept of privilege when it comes to economic status, race and sexuality, how the Church either dismisses or fails to acknowledge when they have these types of privilege and what the gospel is and what it has to say to both the privileged and the oppressed. 

You can find the book here: https://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Privileged-Nehemiah-Olson-ebook/dp/B09449KN3Q

You can connect with Nehemiah on Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/gospelfortheprivileged/

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4 years ago
42 minutes 52 seconds

The Space Between
22 - Love Makes Room with Staci Frenes

In this episode William talks with Staci Frenes.  Staci is a songwriter, author and speaker and she joined us here on the podcast to discuss her new book "Love Makes Room: And Other Things I Learned When My Daughter Came Out". In this episode we talk about Staci's experience in conservative evangelical Churches when her daughter came out to her as a lesbian.  We discuss the ways in which theology detached from practice and experience can harm people, especially the LGBTQ+ community, the ways in which the Church can get better at talking about LGBTQ+ issues, the role of scripture and stories in how Staci came to an affirming viewpoint and more.  

You can connect with Staci here:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stacifrenes/?hl=en

Website: https://www.stacifrenes.com

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4 years ago
43 minutes 46 seconds

The Space Between
21 - Green Politics and Faith with Ross Greer (MSP)

In this episode William speaks with Ross Greer.  Ross is a Member of Scottish Parliament for the Scottish Green Party. In this episode William and Ross discuss the role of faith in politics, what Christianity has to say when tackling the climate crisis, the differences between white American religious nationalism and Scottish nationalism, combatting reactionary right wing politics and how Ross' Christian faith leads him to be a socialist and helps to energise his political action.  

Here is where you can connect with Ross:

Twitter: @Ross_Greer https://twitter.com/Ross_Greer

Instagram: @rossgreer https://www.instagram.com/rossgreer/?hl=en

Here is where you can find out more and connect with the Scottish Green Party:

Twitter: @scottishgreens https://twitter.com/scottishgreens

Instagram: @scottishgreenparty https://www.instagram.com/scottishgreenparty/?hl=en

Website: https://greens.scot

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4 years ago
51 minutes 8 seconds

The Space Between
20 - Religion Shouldn’t Hurt with Troy Moore Hart
In this episode William speaks with Troy from Religion Shouldn’t Hurt. They discuss why the statement religion shouldn’t hurt should be uncontroversial and be a unifying belief no matter our background, faith or belief. They discuss the recent campaign that Troy organised to spread this message to help amplify the stories of victims of religious and spiritual abuse. They also discuss how religious and non religious people can work together based on common compassion rather than common belief. You can find Troy on Instagram @religion.shouldnt.hurt https://instagram.com/religion.shouldnt.hurt?utm_medium=copy_link
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4 years ago
35 minutes 24 seconds

The Space Between
BONUS - Our Time on Iona
In this episode Katy and William share about their experience on the island of Iona spending a week with the Iona community for the reopening of the Abbey on what some would call a spiritual retreat. They discuss their expectations before going, experience while they were there and why they are part of the Iona community. They also share some prayers and short meditations throughout. You can find out more about the Iona Community here: iona.org.uk
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4 years ago
52 minutes 28 seconds

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19 - Sexuality and Spirituality with Allison Tash Montgomery

In this episode William speaks with Allison Tash Montgomery.  Allison is a coach specialising in the intersection of gender, sexuality and spirituality.  In this episode William and Allison discussed how we define gender, sexuality and spirituality, spiritual practices which help enable a more embodied and confident sexuality, purity culture, how sexuality and spirituality are connected and how to be an ally if you are not LGBTQ+.  

You can connect with Allison here: 

Website - https://www.montasherycoaching.com

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/allisontashmontgomery/?hl=en-gb

Allyship in Action course: https://www.montasherycoaching.com/allyship-course

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4 years ago
58 minutes 39 seconds

The Space Between
18 - What is Deconstruction? with Phil Drysdale
In this episode William speaks with Phil Drysdale.  Phil researches the deconstruction movement and helps those who are experiencing significant changes of their core values and religious beliefs.  We discussed what deconstruction is, who is most likely to deconstruct, the current data surrounding deconstruction and whether reconstruction is a separate phenomena from deconstruction. You can connect with Phil and his work here:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/phildrysdale/ Website: https://www.phildrysdale.com The Deconstruction Network: https://thedeconstructionnetwork.com
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4 years ago
58 minutes 39 seconds

The Space Between
17 - Laughing Our Way to a Better Faith with Kristina Harutoonian (The DTR Blog)
In this episode William talks with Kristina of the DTR Blog about the role that comedy and humour has in faith change, how comedy can help speak difficult truths in a way that leads to reconciliation and a whole load of other rabbit trail discussions on everything from Bethel Church to faith preachers pushing people over while praying for them.   You can connect with Kristina here: Website: https://www.thedtrblog.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedtrblog/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/thedtrblog
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4 years ago
45 minutes 50 seconds

The Space Between
16 - A Changing Church with Kurtis Vanderpool

In this episode William speaks with Kurtis about how the Church in America and globally is changing, how the deconstruction movement is a good thing for the Church, Kurtis's recent article published by Relevant Magazine and a relationship centric rather than belief centric Christianity both with others and with God.  

Instagram: @kurtisvanderpool

Website: kurtisvanderpool.com

The Age of Deconstruction and the Future of the Church by Kurtis Vanderpool in Relevant Magazine


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4 years ago
44 minutes 48 seconds

The Space Between
BONUS: I Just Want Real Friends (Podcast Roundtable)

In this episode we have a round table (zoom) discussion about community during and after deconstruction or a significant faith change.  

Featured in this episode is:

- Joey from Dismantle Pod

- Emily from The Post Modern Fish

- Katherine from Uncertain Podcast

- Tim from The New Evangelicals

- Melanie and Gary from The Holy Heretics Podcast

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4 years ago
43 minutes 43 seconds

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15 - Decolonising Theology with Jo Luehmann
In this episode William speaks with Jo Luehmann.  Jo shares about what toxic and colonising theology looks like and how we tackle it, the importance of listening to those who are most marginalised, what healthy and decolonised theology is and then Jo practically applies these topics by talking briefly about critical race theory.   You can connect with Jo and her content by following the links below: Instagram: @joluehmann Twitter: @joluehmann
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4 years ago
53 minutes 41 seconds

The Space Between
14 - Unity in Diversity and Disagreement with Joey Monteleone

In this episode William speaks with Joey the host of Dismantle Podcast.  They talk about the complexities, challenges and benefits of remaining part of a Church or religious community even when your beliefs are changing; when to leave harmful Churches and communities; creating good conversations and fostering healthy dialogue with those with whom we disagree; dealing with emotional and spiritual fatigue when going through deconstruction or doubt; and setting boundaries for when you don't have the energy to have those healthy and necessary conversations.  

Episode Links:

  • Dismantle Podcast ( Apple Podcast / Spotify )
  • Dismantle Podcast Instagram 


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4 years ago
38 minutes 7 seconds

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13 - Women Rising (Faith & Feminism) with Meghan Tschanz

TRIGGER WARNING: This Podcast contains discussion of sexual assault, rape, FGM, human trafficking and violence against women.  

In this episode William talks with Meghan Tshanz about her upcoming book 'Women Rising'.  Meghan is also the host of the 'Faith and Feminism Podcast'.  Meghan shares her experience as a missionary and how this experience revealed to her the ways in which the patriarchy, violence against women and the Church can be found to link together.  She shares how the church's teaching on gender roles and women are part of the problem and that they contribute to things such as rape culture, trafficking and FGM.  Meghan also shares a blueprint of what it means to fight injustice against women and what it means to uphold a biblical standard of equality.   

Links: 

  • Meghan's Instagram 
  • Faith and Feminism Podcast 
  • Women Rising Book Preorder (Amazon / IVP Press)  
  • Meghan's Website
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4 years ago
1 hour 11 minutes 30 seconds

The Space Between
12 - Money and Church

In this episode Katy and William share some of their thoughts and experiences of money and the Church.  This episode covers what tithing is and the history of the concept, different political and economic structures and how those are relevant to faith and the Church, the prosperity gospel and more.  Also at the end of the episode there are some short clips where some friends of the podcast share their thoughts on the Church and money.  

Contributors to this episode: 

Tim Whitaker ( @thenewevangelicals ) 

Jessie  ( @exvangelicallessons )

Elvis Nonso

Aidan Branch

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4 years ago
1 hour 7 minutes 15 seconds

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11 - Atheism an Honest Conversation with Will Thorpe
This week William speaks with Will Thorpe of @heretical_theology about atheism and secular humanism.  In this episode William and Will discuss common misconceptions that Christians often have of atheism and secular humanism, Will's view on morality, meaning, critical thinking and how religious people and atheists can better work together for the betterment of humanity.  You can find the link to Will's instagram below:  @heretical_theology
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4 years ago
49 minutes 53 seconds

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10 - A Queer Search for Faith with Lucy Davies

This week William speaks to Lucy Davies from @aqueersearchforfaith about her experience being raised catholic and coming out as lesbian.  We discussed pope Francis recent statements about the LGBTQ+ community, the complexities of existing as a Christian in the LGBTQ+ community and as a queer person in the Church.  We also talk about how coming out has affected Lucy's relationship with God, devotional life and spiritual practices. 

Find a link to Lucy's instagram and the resources mentioned in the podcast below: 

@aqueersearchforfaith (Instagram)

Queer Theology Podcast

Vicky Beeching Undivided

Queer Theology Reading List

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4 years ago
28 minutes 36 seconds

The Space Between
09 - A New Evangelicalism? With Tim Whitaker

This week William talks with Tim from 'The New Evangelicals'. In this episode William and Tim talk about what it means to be an evangelical, whether evangelicalism is worth saving, whether it is possible for the often negative connotations of evangelicalism with conservative American politics to be overcome and what reform and change would look like in the Church.  

If you enjoy Tim's perspective and the discussion you can find him here:

Instagram: @thenewevangelicals

Podcast: Coffee, Theology and Jesus

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4 years ago
49 minutes 47 seconds

The Space Between
A podcast exploring the space between faith and doubt, joy and pain, certainty and questioning.