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The Space Between
Fractal Studios Podcast Network
37 episodes
5 days ago
The Space Between is a leading astronomy and science communication podcast hosted by Kolby Van Camp and Dawson Wagner. Each week, we dive into the wonders of the universe, exploring astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology, and more, through curiosity-driven conversations with scientists, thinkers, explorers, and communicators. Our mission is simple: make complex ideas about space accessible, engaging, and human. From Nobel Prize-winning physicists to rising voices in the astronomy community, The Space Between bridges cutting-edge science with everyday curiosity.
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The Space Between is a leading astronomy and science communication podcast hosted by Kolby Van Camp and Dawson Wagner. Each week, we dive into the wonders of the universe, exploring astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology, and more, through curiosity-driven conversations with scientists, thinkers, explorers, and communicators. Our mission is simple: make complex ideas about space accessible, engaging, and human. From Nobel Prize-winning physicists to rising voices in the astronomy community, The Space Between bridges cutting-edge science with everyday curiosity.
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The Space Between
UPDATE: We're still here! Dope content drops next week!

A quick update for all our loyal fans here on the Space Between!

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1 week ago
3 minutes 29 seconds

The Space Between
#34: Space and storytelling with Helena Cochrane

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---In this episode of The Space Between, we sit down with astrophotographer, filmmaker, and YouTuber Helena Cochrane to explore how art, science, and storytelling collide under the night sky. From her first steps into astrophotography to her journey as a film student, Helena has built a unique voice in science communication, blending cinematic visuals, personal perspective, and educational outreach.

We talk about the challenges of imaging the heavens from the often-cloudy landscapes of Scotland, the creative crossover between film and astrophotography, and the ways YouTube has allowed her to connect with a global audience hungry for both beauty and knowledge. Along the way, we dig into the role of storytelling in science: how framing the cosmos through narrative makes astronomy more accessible, inspiring, and fun for people everywhere.

Expect an engaging conversation full of insights on creativity, communication, and the joy of sharing the stars, where lenses, landscapes, and laughter all come together.

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Helena's links:

Subscribe to her YouTube channel!

⁠https://www.youtube.com/@HelenasAstrophotography⁠

Join her Discord!

⁠https://discord.com/invite/N3yaPxyH3g⁠

Follow her on Instagram and Facebook!

⁠https://www.instagram.com/helenas_astro⁠

⁠https://www.facebook.com/HelenaAstrophotography⁠

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⁠https://www.patreon.com/helenasastro⁠

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1 month ago
1 hour 9 minutes 48 seconds

The Space Between
#33: Data centers in space (part 1)

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In this episode of The Space Between, we explore a bold new frontier in digital infrastructure: data centers in space. As the world’s appetite for computing power skyrockets, fueled by AI, cloud services, and ever-expanding networks, traditional data centers are hitting limits on land, water, and energy. The solution some scientists and entrepreneurs propose? Lift the cloud above the clouds.

We examine the technical promise and pitfalls of orbital data centers: abundant solar power and radiative cooling in the vacuum of space versus the harsh realities of radiation, latency, and orbital debris. From Europe’s ASCEND project to startups like Starcloud and Axiom Space’s station-based plans, we trace how quickly this idea is shifting from sci-fi concept to funded prototypes.

But it’s not all efficiency and green promises. We dig into the environmental tradeoffs, the risk of “sky pollution” for astronomy, and the legal gray zones of data sovereignty beyond Earth. Alongside that, we unpack the week’s wilder headlines: alien embryos from meteorites in Panama and a fake comet hoax named C/2025 Q2 ZTF, and ask how to separate real innovation from viral distraction.

Expect a conversation that blends cutting-edge tech, climate urgency, and cosmic perspective, where sustainability, skepticism, and the stars all intersect.

Articles:

⁠ChatGPT Deep Research on orbital data centers:

  • https://chatgpt.com/s/dr_68d0eeade4b881918f9b8cff86b79ce9

Primary sources about the P/2025 Q2 (PANSTARRS) comet:

  • https://www.cobs.si/comet/2657/
  • https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/tools/sbdb_lookup.html#/?sstr=c%2F2025%20q2
  • https://www.minorplanetcenter.net/mpec/K25/K25R67.html

Official Starcloud website:

  • https://www.starcloud.com/

Starcloud whitepaper:

  • https://starcloud.com/wp/

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⁠⁠⁠https://riverside.fm/studio/kolby-van-camps-studio-eMegK⁠⁠⁠

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1 month ago
1 hour 15 minutes 1 second

The Space Between
#32: The Web-Halo Model with Dr. Samuel Brieden

In this episode of The Space Between, we explore a breakthrough in cosmological modeling: the Web-Halo Model, developed by Dr. Sam Brieden and his team. For decades, cosmologists have relied on the halo model to describe how matter clumps together in the universe, but it struggled to capture the messy middle ground between isolated galaxies and vast cosmic structures.

The Web-Halo Model goes further, folding in the sheets and filaments of the cosmic web itself. Instead of treating haloes as standalone dark matter “bubbles,” WHM describes them as substructures within filaments and sheets — a hierarchy that mirrors how the universe actually forms. The result is a parameter-free model that matches simulations with unprecedented precision, providing sharper tools for interpreting sky surveys like Euclid, Rubin, and DESI.

We discuss why this matters for extracting information from weak gravitational lensing, what it means to move closer to first-principles cosmology, and how language and metaphor help bridge the gap between abstract theory and public understanding. Expect a conversation that blends astrophysics, philosophy, and the future of how we map the universe’s scaffolding.

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Articles:

Web-Halo Model (WHM): Accurate non-linear matter power spectrum predictions without free parameters

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JOIN OUR LIVE SHOW ON EVERY FIRST SUNDAY OF THE MONTH AT 9p CENTRAL TIME (GMT-5) AT THIS LINK!

⁠⁠https://riverside.fm/studio/kolby-van-camps-studio-eMegK⁠⁠

Follow us on Instagram!

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1 month ago
1 hour 8 minutes 58 seconds

The Space Between
#31: Is science wrong about the age of the universe?

In this episode of The Space Between, we dive headfirst into one of the hottest debates in modern cosmology: the true age of the universe and what new data from the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) means for our understanding of cosmic expansion. Headlines are screaming “crisis” and claiming the universe is expanding at two different speeds—so what’s fact, what’s speculation, and what’s just sensational storytelling?

We explore the “Hubble Tension,” the discrepancy between early-universe and late-universe measurements of cosmic expansion, and why JWST’s confirmation of Hubble’s data is such a big deal. At the same time, we break down how the science gets spun in the media—why articles about “two universes” or “multiple speeds” of expansion may capture clicks, but miss the nuance of what astronomers are actually saying.

Expect a blend of astrophysics, philosophy, and some critical media literacy as we ask: how should we talk about cosmic uncertainty without losing public trust in science?

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Articles:

The unthinkable confirmed - James Webb and Hubble prove that the universe is expanding at two different speeds, throwing cosmology into crisis

New measure of the universe's expansion suggests resolution of a conflict

NASA's Webb, Hubble Telescopes Affirm Universe's Expansion Rate, Puzzle Persists

Webb telescope confirms the universe is expanding at an unexpected rate

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JOIN OUR LIVE SHOW ON EVERY FIRST SUNDAY OF THE MONTH AT 9p CENTRAL TIME (GMT-5) AT THIS LINK!

⁠https://riverside.fm/studio/kolby-van-camps-studio-eMegK⁠

Follow us on Instagram!

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://instagram.com/spacebetweenpod⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Order Kolby's new album!

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kolbyvancamp.hearnow.com/portraits-volume-ii⁠

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2 months ago
1 hour 17 minutes 39 seconds

The Space Between
#30: Bernie Michaels and the chaos behind black holes

In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby, Dawson, and special guest Bernie Michaels dive into the hidden patterns of chaos and the strange gravitational dance of black holes. Bernie, a self-proclaimed chaos math savant, unpacks how tiny changes can lead to cosmic-scale consequences — from galaxies colliding to the unpredictable orbits that shape the universe.

We explore whether black holes act like strange attractors, how fractals might be written into the very fabric of spacetime, and whether the universe’s most terrifying objects might also be the birthplace for all life as we know it. Along the way, we wrestle with questions of order versus disorder, philosophy versus physics, and whether humanity’s own chaotic minds mirror the cosmos.

It’s a conversation that swings between hard science, big-picture wonder, and playful curiosity. Buckle up — the void is stranger (and more beautiful) than it seems.

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2 months ago
1 hour 15 minutes 19 seconds

The Space Between
#29: Surviving the lunar night with the thermoelectric solution

Far from Earth, the Moon presents explorers with an unforgiving puzzle: two weeks of searing daylight followed by two weeks of frozen night. For any future habitat, this isn’t just an inconvenience—it’s a survival crisis. How do you keep the lights on, the air flowing, and the water unfrozen when the Sun disappears for 354 hours at a time?

In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby and Dawson explore a surprising solution: thermoelectric power. By harnessing the Moon’s brutal extremes—searing heat by day and deep cold by night—engineers are discovering ways to turn temperature swings into electricity. Could this ancient effect, the Seebeck phenomenon, be the hidden key to powering humanity’s next great frontier?

From South Korean simulations to NASA-backed “thermal wadis” carved from lunar soil, we dig into the science, the innovation, and the strategy behind building a self-sustaining lunar base. How does thermoelectric power stack up against solar farms and nuclear reactors? Is it a clever backup—or the seed of a truly independent lunar energy grid?

And perhaps most important of all: what does mastering lunar night survival teach us about living beyond the Moon—on Mars, or in the deep cold of interplanetary space?

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ChatGPT Deep Research: https://chatgpt.com/s/dr_68abed4419888191b73dbde78972918f

Universe Today article:

https://www.universetoday.com/articles/simulation-of-a-thermoelectric-power-generation-system-with-multiple-heat-storage-for-lunar-habitat

Kyle Hill, Lia Incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GYg7Y_W7s

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2 months ago
59 minutes 3 seconds

The Space Between
#28: What's lurking beyond the edge of the solar system?

Far beyond the orbit of Pluto lies a silent frontier—the frozen edge of the solar system, where light fades, and time seems to stretch. In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby and Dawson explore the discovery of 2023 KQ14, an ancient, distant object nicknamed Ammonite. It's one of only a handful of known sednoids, mysterious celestial bodies that may be untouched relics from the solar system's formation 4.5 billion years ago.

What makes Ammonite special? Its orbit is so stable, so distant, and so strange that it may challenge the very way we model the outer solar system. Could this object be the missing clue in the Planet Nine debate? Or is it evidence of something even more ancient; something fossilized into the gravitational architecture of our solar system itself?

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ChatGPT Deep Research: ⁠https://chatgpt.com/s/dr_689eb892a0248191af6fc7bcb46044e7⁠

Clyde Tombaugh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Tombaugh

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2 months ago
57 minutes 52 seconds

The Space Between
#27: What's really happening with 3I/ATLAS?

In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby and Dawson dive headlong into the extraordinary cosmic guests gracing our solar system in 2025—starting with 3I/ATLAS, the third confirmed interstellar object ever observed. Is it a comet from a forgotten star system older than our own… or, as some have (controversially) speculated, an alien probe with a cloaked mission? We break down the hard science, the wild theories, and everything in between as this icy wanderer makes its high-speed fly-by of the Sun.

Then, we turn our gaze outward—way outward—to Ammonite (2023 KQ14), a newly discovered sednoid lurking beyond Pluto’s orbit. With a path untouched for billions of years, Ammonite could be a fossilized remnant of the solar system’s chaotic birth... or the key to cracking the mystery of Planet Nine. Either way, it’s turning heads and rewriting the map of the solar system’s edge.

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ChatGPT Deep Research: https://chatgpt.com/s/dr_689eb892a0248191af6fc7bcb46044e7

YouTube Clip: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G6eqH0mYfUM

SkyLive 3I/ATLAS: 3I/ATLAS: A Month-by-Month Observing Guide | TheSkyLive

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2 months ago
1 hour 7 minutes 36 seconds

The Space Between
#26: The Orion Nebula, Pleiades, and Hyades are... related?

In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby and Dawson explore the cosmic family tree hiding in plain sight: the Orion Nebula, the Pleiades, and the Hyades. New research suggests these iconic star clusters aren’t just neighbors in the night sky—they’re snapshots of the same stellar system at different stages of life. From baby stars to fading elders, we dive into how clusters form, drift, and evolve, and what that says about the nature of change in the universe. Along the way, we tackle a mind-bending listener question: can black holes give birth to entire universes? And if so, are we just living in someone else’s cosmic nesting doll?

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Article 1: https://phys.org/news/2025-07-astronomers-capture-birth-planets-baby.html

Article 2: https://phys.org/news/2025-07-orion-nebula-pleiades-hyades-common.html

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https://kolbyvancamp.hearnow.com/portraits-volume-ii

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3 months ago
57 minutes 29 seconds

The Space Between
#25: Dr. Patricia Henning - Very Large Array Series

The VLA and NRAO approved our content for release! Enjoy the second of a small series of interviews we conducted with scientific personnel this last March at the VLA and the NRAO.

Kolby and Dawson sit down with the Associate Director of the NRAO, Dr. Patricia Henning, to discuss the workings of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory and the Very Large Array.

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1 year ago
23 minutes 29 seconds

The Space Between
#24: Summer Ash at the VLA - Very Large Array Series

The VLA and NRAO approved our content for release! Enjoy the first of a small series of interviews we conducted with scientific personnel this last March at the VLA and the NRAO.

Kolby, Dawson, and Ben sit down on-site with NRAO STEAM Education Manager and Visitor Experience and Guided Tour Manager for the VLA, Summer Ash, to discuss the workings of the telescope, her favorite projects she's been a part of, and the way the VLA operates.

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1 year ago
46 minutes 12 seconds

The Space Between
#23: Lost in space, sort of

Kolby and Dawson break down a recent development where two astronauts are potentially being left on the International Space Station for a significant period of time due to a technical malfunction, plus a really cool public initiative that the European Space Agency has put together to engage the public in astronomy.

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1 year ago
56 minutes 19 seconds

The Space Between
#22: Fungi, an unlikely space ally

Kolby and Dawson discuss fungi in space, its durability, NASA's plans for how it can be used, and whether a hypothesis that it provides access to a deeper level of understanding to the universe.

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1 year ago
1 hour 11 minutes 28 seconds

The Space Between
#21: Caves on the moon and rockets to Mars

Kolby and Dawson fire up season 3 with some space news about caves on the moon, the technology needed to explore further into our solar system, and Space X's newest missile launch.

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1 year ago
53 minutes 40 seconds

The Space Between
UPDATE: Getting back to the basics

Hey all. We so appreciate your support over these strange last nine months. The times have changed, the expectations in our lives have changed, and we just want to get back to the basics.

You have been awesome for a long time - and we want to keep connecting with you. No frills, no monetization, just two dudes keeping it real and talking in the Space Between.

Much love, we will see you soon.

- Kolby and Dawson

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1 year ago
8 minutes 21 seconds

The Space Between
#20: Recap of our Very Large Array trip

Kolby, Dawson, and Ben recap their trip to the Very Large Array.

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1 year ago
39 minutes 22 seconds

The Space Between
#19: To UAP or not to UAP, that is the question

Kolby and Dawson discuss the latest in the American governmental findings regarding UAPs and the conflicting messaging it sends.

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1 year ago
58 minutes 39 seconds

The Space Between
#18: To the moon and beyond

Kolby and Dawson break down the recent landing of Odysseus on the moon, the expansion of inter-solar technology, and what that means for the future of humanity.

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1 year ago
1 hour 4 minutes 31 seconds

The Space Between
#17: Planets, exoplanets, and more

Kolby and Jimmy enjoy a little bit of a relax day with Dawson out of the country and discuss planets, exoplanets, movies, and more.

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1 year ago
1 hour 5 minutes 38 seconds

The Space Between
The Space Between is a leading astronomy and science communication podcast hosted by Kolby Van Camp and Dawson Wagner. Each week, we dive into the wonders of the universe, exploring astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology, and more, through curiosity-driven conversations with scientists, thinkers, explorers, and communicators. Our mission is simple: make complex ideas about space accessible, engaging, and human. From Nobel Prize-winning physicists to rising voices in the astronomy community, The Space Between bridges cutting-edge science with everyday curiosity.