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The Save The Marriage Podcast
Lee H. Baucom, Ph.D.
200 episodes
4 days ago
Learn the secrets of saving a troubled marriage, and the methods to improve any marriage. Join Dr. Lee Baucom as he explores practical ways to save a marriage. Gain the understanding and tools you need in order to successfully solve your relationship problems with love and respect.
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Learn the secrets of saving a troubled marriage, and the methods to improve any marriage. Join Dr. Lee Baucom as he explores practical ways to save a marriage. Gain the understanding and tools you need in order to successfully solve your relationship problems with love and respect.
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Mental Health
Education,
Society & Culture,
Self-Improvement,
Health & Fitness,
Relationships
Episodes (20/200)
The Save The Marriage Podcast
The 3 Layers of Connection
Connection is the lifeblood of marriage.  In fact, we are wired for deep connection.  And while the connection works best within the marriage relationship, it is not singular.

Many couples find connection in only one or two areas, missing that second or third layer of connecting.  Often, over time, this begins to eat away at the connection a couple shares.

Disconnection tends to breed disconnection.  When there are areas missing, they begin to chip away at the other areas.

But connection tends to breed connection.  As you work to reconnect, and as you focus on all three layers, there is a multiplying effect.  Connection deepens and broadens, leading to more and more connection.

Listen to this week's podcast to discover the 3 Layers of Connection.

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Save The Marriage System
Why Connection Matters
The Pause Button Marriage
My Books
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3 days ago
21 minutes 12 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
How Steep?
“How hard is it to save my marriage?” the email started.  The writer wanted my opinion on whether my System would work. There was a problem, though.  The problem was… I had no details about her marital problems.  I didn’t know what she was facing.

When I was a kid, the rubik’s cube came out.  There was this book that promised to solve the cube, no matter how bad the cube was arranged.  I just kept trying to turn and twist the cube to find a solution.  My neighbor friend got the book.  My neighbor followed the guide.  And that cube was, sure enough, solved.  Mixed up cube, follow the solution, solved cube.  Easy-peesy.

Let’s just say that your marriage is NOT like that rubik’s cube.  There are some reasons why your efforts might be harder (or easier) than someone else’s.  In fact, there are 3 major complicators to saving your marriage.

Before jumping in to save your marriage, you want to be clear about the complicators — the obstacles — on your path.  They make a difference in what you do, how you do it, and how much effort is required.

Listen below to find out how steep your climb is, due to the 3 obstacles.

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1 week ago
27 minutes 12 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Can It Be Saved?? How to know…
Can you save your marriage??

That is, to be honest, probably the biggest "speed bump" for someone who wants to save their marriage.

They wonder if it is even possible to save their marriage.  And that fact keeps them from taking action.

Or to be more direct, may be what is keeping you from taking action.

Many people have said that if I could guarantee that they could save their marriage, they would get started.

I have often pointed out that NOT trying pretty much guarantees it can't be saved.  But I don't have a crystal ball... or even a Magic 8 Ball that will tell me whether it can/can't be saved. And so, far too often, they don't take action.

And their marriage fails.

But what if there were a way to get clarity... to get more understanding of what might be involved in saving your marriage?  What if there was some GPS that could give you direction on the possibilities and what is involved.

Well, there is.  And I discuss it on this episode of the Save The Marriage Podcast.

I've created a new assessment, called The Growth GPS Assessment.  You can grab it for just a dollar.  GO HERE to take advantage of the offer... and gain clarity.

RELATED RESOURCES:
Save The Marriage System
The Growth GPS Assessment
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2 weeks ago
16 minutes 20 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Having Hope
Your spouse thinks it’s hopeless.  You may even be wondering that, too.  But is it?  Is it hopeless?

Or is the problem that your spouse is hopeless — not the situation?

Let’s be honest:  if you give up hope, it may become a hopeless situation.

Sometimes, having hope is not based on seeing the way.  We find the way because we hold onto hope.

In one of my books, Beyond the 3 Barriers, I note that one barrier for your spouse is hopelessness.  I also note that one way to move beyond your spouse’s barriers is by having hope.  Holding onto hope.  Maintaining hope while waiting for space to make a shift.

Hope has 3 core components… all within your control and choice.  But you do need to know the components in order to choose.  When you do, you choose hope.

Remember that hope is not about waiting for a spouse to hope… or even to shift.  It comes from within you, a choice you make.  Hang on to hope!

Listen to the podcast episode below.

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Hope vs. Hopelessness Episode
Staying Stuck in the Negative Episode
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The Hope System Guide
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3 weeks ago
17 minutes 26 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
5 Reasons Why Your Plan is Stalled
Are your efforts to save your marriage getting stalled?  Maybe we should take a look at your plan.

You do have a plan, don't you?

Let's talk about 5 reasons your plan (or lack of plan) may be the trouble -- and what we can do to make a switch.

To be crystal clear, all 5 reasons are in your control.  YOU can choose how you move forward in each of these issues.  You may not have control over your spouse's reaction, but you do have choices in your planning and execution of your plan.

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1 month ago
16 minutes 36 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Are You Getting Dragged Under??
Every marriage crisis starts as a crisis of an individual.  As it expands into the marriage, the question is whether you, the spouse, will get pulled under by the crisis.

Have you ever tried to save a drowning person?

This can be kind of like that.  Get too close, and they will drag you under with them.  Their desperation will overcome any sensible decision.  Running purely on terror, they will flail, grab, and pull at anything that is nearby... and anyone.

And when someone is in crisis, it can certainly feel like drowning... even with no water (other than tears).  The desperation is there.  The flailing is there.  And if you aren't careful, you can get pulled under.

One person in crisis is enough.  Two people multiples the complications and difficulties in recovering the relationship.

Don't allow yourself to get pulled under.

In this episode of the Save The Marriage Podcast, I discuss 4 rules to keep from getting pulled under.

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1 month ago
26 minutes 21 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
What Makes A Marriage Great?
What makes a marriage work?

What makes a marriage GREAT?

Maybe you are trying to save your marriage, and aren't sure if that even matters.  Maybe you are trying to aim your marriage in a better direction, and aren't sure what that even looks like.  Or maybe you are considering getting married, but aren't sure if you have what it takes.

In this episode of the Save The Marriage Podcast, I'll give you the 5 core ingredients to have a great marriage.  I'll tell you what they are, and how to get them.  Then, if you have special garnishes and additions, great!

Problem is, many people think the extra additions are the core ingredients!  And when that doesn't work, they think they just don't have what it takes.  Turns out, they were just trying to make a recipe with the wrong ingredients.  No wonder it doesn't work out!

After over three decades of focusing on relationships and marriage, the five core ingredients stand out, time after time.  So, let's make clear what they are, how to get them, and how that makes a difference.

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Save The Marriage System
Save The Marriage Toolkit
Why Connection Matters
Does Communication Matter?
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1 month ago
24 minutes 23 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Are You Dragging a Spouse to Therapy??
The email said, “I talked my spouse into going to therapy.” Another one asked, “How do I drag my spouse to therapy?” Oof. The first person was proud of the “convincing.” The second person got my response:

You Don’t!

(Unless, of course, you want to damn the process from the very beginning… and in that case, drag away!)

Marriage therapy tends to be the default response to a marriage crisis (although the stats would not support this as the preferred action). If there is a problem, time to head to therapy! First task: get a spouse there. By pressure, if necessary.

I think there is a (false) belief that if you can just get them there, the therapist will work some magic and convince the spouse to work on the marriage. The therapist won’t/can’t. And your spouse won’t. Fail/fail.

But why?

There are some Therapy Traps that you fall into when you try to drag a spouse into therapy (I cover the Traps in the podcast episode below). And in the process, you actually cause further entrenchment on the part of your spouse that things won’t work out. Yep, it makes things worse.

I explain why in this episode of the Save The Marriage Podcast.  Listen below.

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Therapy Problems
Can You Save It Alone?
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1 month ago
19 minutes 46 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
The Clarity of a Crisis
Nothing gets your focus and attention like a crisis.  But sometimes, that Crisis Clarity isn't so helpful.

Let's backtrack just a minute.  What is Crisis Clarity?

Just for a moment, let's assume that you have had a sense that something was not right with your marriage.  Maybe you asked about it.  Or perhaps you just hoped for the best -- that things would turn around, settle down, and get on-track.

Then suddenly, the crisis emerges.  You learn about an affair.  Your spouse gives you the "love you, not in love with you" speech.  Your spouse wants to separate.  You get divorce papers.  Or... fill in the blank ____________.

It is no longer a theoretical problem.

It is a full-blown crisis!

And that crisis gets your attention.  Your FULL attention.

That is Crisis Clarity.

Yes, it can be helpful.  And it can also be harmful.

How do you understand and handle Crisis Clarity?  I cover it in this episode of the Save The Marriage Podcast.  Listen below.

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1 month ago
14 minutes 6 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Proving Your Viewpoint (Is Dangerous!)
I can’t count how many times a couple has come to me for “help with our communication skills.”  Funny thing is, they communicate just fine.

Then why are they stuck in conflict?  Why are they disconnected?  Why does it seem like they aren’t on the same team?

Viewpoints.  About each other and about the situation that caused the conflict.

And because they have decided to prove their viewpoint to their spouse.  That is very dangerous.  Rarely is it successful, but always is it damaging.

There are 2 underlying issues that affect this:  being a WE and being connected.  How strong is your sense of WE, and how connected are you?  When you don’t feel like you are on the same team and/or are feeling disconnected, it is far harder to communicate about the differences in perception.  More than that, you are unlikely to prove your connection to your spouse… especially when disconnected, but almost always.

How do you solve it?

We discuss what to do in this episode of the Save The Marriage Podcast.

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2 months ago
21 minutes 47 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Wrong Focus: 3 Places People Focus… and Shouldn’t
At the beginning of a coaching session, my clients often tell me what they have been focused on in their marriage crisis.  Almost always, they are focusing on the wrong things.

And in the process, they are not focusing on the right things.

Where we focus is what gets our attention.  Focus on the wrong things, and the wrong things get our attention… our energy… and our investment.

That can head you right toward disaster and further discord.  And when you focus on the wrong things, trying harder does even more damage.
"Rowing harder doesn’t help if the boat is headed in the wrong direction."
Kenichi Ohmae
There are three places people often focus their attention that are not helpful, at best, and can be harmful at worst.  And there are three areas that need your focus, that need your attention.

Focus on the right areas to make progress in your marriage crisis.

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2 months ago
20 minutes 15 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
The NMF Path to Failure
The email was pages long, all about the problems in her marriage.  Each line was about how her husband had ruined the marriage.  She pointed out actions of her husband, and he did make mistakes (no abuse, mind you).

She wanted to know what to do -- how to save her marriage -- given the fact that it wasn't her fault.  She was clear that she wanted the marriage, but she just didn't know what to do, after all he had done to damage the relationship.

NMF

She was skidding down the fastest path to failing in her efforts.  And she didn't see how she had anything to do with it.

NMF

When we talked on the phone, I asked a little bit more about the dynamics of the relationship.  But I noticed she kept shifting back to "he did...," "he didn't...." She could point out his failures and shortcomings.

And then she would return to her question:  Given his actions, how could she save her marriage?

NMF

I had no doubt that she really wanted to save her marriage.  And I had little doubt that she would be unsuccessful.

Because she had fallen in the NMF trap.  Figured it out yet?  The NMF trap is "Not My Fault."

Here is the problem with "Not My Fault":  It leaves you stuck.  It does relieve you of blame or fault.  But it also tends to rob people of responsibility (Response-Ability).

Let's talk about why this trap happens and how to avoid it.  Listen below.

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How You Hide
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2 months ago
23 minutes 50 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Dangerous Approaches to Saving Your Marriage
Have you done an online search for info on how to save your marriage?  Were you overwhelmed with the results?? And the crazy amount of different approaches??

How do you sort through them?  How do you find a real approach, from someone who knows what they are doing?

It’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.

And the problem is, some approaches do more harm than good.  And many times, you don’t even know who it is that is giving you the information.  What are their qualifications?  How do they even approach it?

I started my website in 1999 (THAT makes me feel old! — so last century!), before Google even existed.  And to be honest, there weren’t many places to look for stuff.  I remember when Google started.  That same search, “how to save your marriage,” might get a couple hundred results.  Still a lot. But far more manageable.

With all that info, you are likely to feel overwhelm.  Which means that some people will do absolutely nothing, not sure where to start.  Others will try to do absolutely everything… also not sure where to start, but thinking everything is better than nothing.  And others will stumble upon approaches that do more harm than good.  There are two that are particularly prevalent.  And at best, not helpful.

In this episode of the Save The Marriage Podcast, I give you 3 criteria to use in judging any information, and I dismantle 2 common (and dangerous) approaches to “saving” your marriage. Listen below.

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2 months ago
22 minutes 48 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Rewiring Your Relationship
Does your brain help or hinder your efforts to save your marriage?

If you are like most people, your brain is actually a barrier in your efforts.  It keeps you stuck in old, unhelpful patterns.  And some of those pre-date even your marriage.

Unfortunately, most people just don't have an "owner's manual" for their brain... and how it is running.  Which is too bad.  We could all use some upgrades and some rewiring.  Which is the good news.  Our brain IS capable of rewiring.  We ARE capable of growing, changing, and evolving.

Which is why I wanted to have John Assaraf on my podcast.  John is a student of neuroscience, which he brings into his work as a coach and trainer.  He is also the author of a number of books.  And he is a darn good communicator about his ideas.

These ideas are what I want you to take away.  They help you to find better ways of being, of thinking, and of relating.  Listen below to my interview with John.

 

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John’s Website (with free ebook for you)
Innercise (check out the app)
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3 months ago
1 hour 5 minutes 34 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Stuck in Limbo??
Do you feel like you are stuck in limbo?  That crazy spot where you can’t move forward, but aren’t ending things?  Is it a spouse who has you stuck there?

Well, that was the situation for “J.”  He wrote me because his spouse could not decide on whether to stay or go, work on things or walk away.

He told me he was stuck in Limbo, didn’t know what to do, and didn’t know how to get his spouse to work on the relationship.

What should he do??

I respond to J’s question in this episode of the Save The Marriage Podcast.  And it may just be where you find yourself, too.  Not able to move forward, but not ready to walk away.

How do you deal with “Limbo”?  We discuss it.  Listen below.

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3 A’s in Your Control
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3 months ago
22 minutes 22 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Should True Love be Effortless??
Maybe you have heard these lines:

* "Love should just happen."
* "This is just too much work."
* "I'm not feeling it, so it must not be true love."
* "I just don't feel the attraction/excitement I used to feel.  Something is wrong."

Have you ever been told something so many times that you begin to doubt yourself?  You begin to believe what the other person (an upset spouse, friends, family, etc.) says -- even if it goes against what you (think you) believe.

Our notions about love are like that.  And unfortunately, those romanticized notions of love are what we grow up on.  We are fed them by movies, books, songs, and culture.

But Authentic Love is different.  It is not devoid of romance.  It is just not based on it.  Romanticized love is based on 4 unsustainable elements.  Authentic Love is based on 4 sustainable elements, and in your control.

"I'm not feeling it" is not a reason to end a marriage.  It is a reason to reconsider the working definition of love.

Don't be sucked in by the view of love in the movies, in the books, in songs, and that others around you might have.  It is dangerous, and misguided.

(No, I am not against romance -- unless it is used as the "litmus test" of a relationship.  Otherwise, it is great!)

Listen to the podcast below.

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE PODCAST:
Interview with Bob Grant
The Save The Marriage System
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3 months ago
23 minutes 37 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
The Problem(s) with Marital Therapy (the Therapist WON’T Tell You)
Let me say it here, in writing:  I am NOT opposed to marital therapy.  I am quite concerned, however, on how marital therapy happens now.  I am concerned about the effectiveness of marital therapy.  And I am concerned for people who blindly seek out marital therapy, expecting it to help.

If you don't know it, my training and background is as a marriage and family therapist.  I spent years, and several degrees, preparing to be a marriage therapist.

And I was pretty disillusioned to see how ineffective marital therapy, overall, has been shown to be.  Statistics are about the bigger view, not the specific therapist with a specific couple.  But from the overall view, according to meta analysis of studies, about 75% of people who go to marital therapy still divorce.  Only around 10-15% report a positive help.

Now, you see my issues.  Why, if this is the primary way of helping a marriage, is it so ineffective?  Three reasons:  1) Therapist training, 2) Therapist orientation, 3) Client resistance.

Listen in to this podcast to understand the issues.  Then, you can make a better choice about whether therapy makes sense, how to find a good therapist, and how to make sure you and your spouse are truly ready for therapy.

(And if you aren't, that doesn't mean there is nothing you can do!  That is why I created the Save The Marriage System, and why we offer Relationship Coaching.)

 
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4 months ago
23 minutes 46 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Malice vs. Neglect
Many times, I watch couples caught in a spiral of accusations, each convinced of maliciousness on the part of their spouse.  But I don't think that is actually it.

In fact, many times, both people in front of me seem to be hurting, but not malicious.

Which is why it seems so clear to me that maliciousness is not (usually) the issue.

I have that "usually" in there, because there are abusive relationships... in which case, someone is actually malicious (and that marriage should not be saved, at least at that time).

You may be familiar with Occam's Razor.  Well, there are other "razors."  For example, Hanlon's Razor states, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."  Which has led me to Baucom's Razor:  "No need to attribute to malice what is actually the result of neglect."

In this episode of the Save The Marriage Podcast, I discuss how we get to this point of neglect, why it is so detrimental, and why it matters that you see Baucom's Razor in process.  And of course, all of that is aimed to help you reverse the damage and save your marriage.

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4 months ago
18 minutes 30 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Forgiveness – NOT a Blank Check
Just to be clear, I am ALL FOR forgiveness.  I have talked about on the Save The Marriage Podcast and on my Thriveology Podcast.

And in a marriage, there are ample opportunities to practice forgiving.  "Every-day forgiving" and big-time forgiving.  In such an intimate relationship, you are going to step on toes, hurt each other's feelings, make bad decisions -- and still have to figure out how to move forward.  You do that by forgiving.

BUT (and this is a big BUT, which is why I capitalized it and bolded it) that does not mean the "forgiven" has carte blanche to keep up the behavior that required the forgiving. (By the way, not to chase a tangent, but did you know that carte blanche means "white card" or "blank card," meaning a check that is blank, but has been signed?  In other words, a "blank check.")

When someone is forgiven, it is not permission to do "it" (whatever the "it" is that causes the need for forgiveness).  Forgiving is a decision to move forward.  It may or may not include moving forward in relationship.  But it is deciding to move forward in the face of something that happened.

There is a saying that "the first time is a mistake, the second time is a choice." I would add, "the third time, on, it is a habit."  Forgiving something is not an open opportunity to repeat the behavior.

Similarly, an apology is not an opportunity to repeat the behavior.  It is an acknowledgement of a mistake and an opportunity for change.

One apologizes AND takes the opportunity to change (I have a podcast on apologizing).  One forgives, SO THAT the hurt and pain can be left behind.

Listen to the podcast below for more.

(. . . and if you need to catch up on the Immutable Laws Of Marriage series, here are the older episodes:)

Immutable Laws Of Marriage Series
#1 Marriage Is About Becoming A WE
#2 Marriage Is NOT A Vehicle for Happiness (Or Misery)
#3 We ALL Have Fear
#4 There Is NO Pause
#5 Connection Is The Lifeblood
#6 The Goal Of Conflict Is Progress
#7 Love Is What You Do
#8 Look For The Best In Your Spouse
#9 You Have To Show Up
#10 Civility and Respect Is A Choice
#11 Trust Is A Gift
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4 months ago
14 minutes 10 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
It’s NOT the Event!
I used to notice how often an engaged couple would become so focused on getting married -- the wedding -- that they had a hard time focusing on what the process of being married would be.

The reason this concerned me is because I know what happens next. And unless they make a shift, their marriage will hit a disconnect event, a moment of hurt.

At the other end... when a marriage is hurting and in trouble, I watch as people once again focus on an event or a moment.  Perhaps it was that moment when a spouse says, "I love you, but I'm not in love with you."  Or perhaps it is an event, like separation or even divorce.

Those events and moments hurt.  But they provide no path back to a loving and connected marriage.  To get there, you need to focus on something else, not the moment or the event.

Let's talk about where to shift your focus, and where, so that you can restore your marriage.

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4 months ago
21 minutes 36 seconds

The Save The Marriage Podcast
Learn the secrets of saving a troubled marriage, and the methods to improve any marriage. Join Dr. Lee Baucom as he explores practical ways to save a marriage. Gain the understanding and tools you need in order to successfully solve your relationship problems with love and respect.