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The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
Mikey Stevenson
61 episodes
1 week ago
Step into your harness and get ready for a podcast about the vertical world. Hi, I’m Mikey Stevenson and welcome to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Bringing you tips, tricks and conversation about the rope access industry and beyond.
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Step into your harness and get ready for a podcast about the vertical world. Hi, I’m Mikey Stevenson and welcome to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Bringing you tips, tricks and conversation about the rope access industry and beyond.
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The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
IN-PERSON INTERVIEW WITH CANADIAN ARBORIST KIRSTEN - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST
IN-PERSON INTERVIEW WITH CANADIAN ARBORIST KIRSTEN - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST   Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. This week I’m chatting with Canadian Arborist Kirsten about the industry and some of her experiences.   Then after the interview, she and I went out Ice Climbing here in Canmore, Alberta   She also has a Movement Practice to keep you going as you get older. And for the first 10 people to sign up USE Code: BRAVEROOTS15 to get your discount today!  https://braveroots.thinkific.com/courses/empowered-movement-foundations    Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing    Till next time,   Mikey Stevenson
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3 years ago
31 minutes 58 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
INTRODUCING DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES INTO ROPE ACCESS - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

INTRODUCING DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES INTO ROPE ACCESS - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST  

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast.  This week I want to touch on something that I have encountered over the years.  But, kind of never really thought about it.  Yes, I have spoken about cross-training on my platform before.  But it doesn’t stop there.  


Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson

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3 years ago
14 minutes 14 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
WHATS HAPPENING IN 2022 - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

WHAT'S HAPPENING IN 2022 - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST   

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m going to let you in on a few things that I have planned for the upcoming year.   

Now, let’s note that a lot of this depends on travel and the overall COVID situation globally.  But I’m hopeful that things will be pretty straightforward this summer onward.  

With that being said, I hope everyone is happy and healthy.    

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson

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3 years ago
9 minutes 26 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
LEVEL 4 RE-CAP - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

LEVEL 4 RE-CAP - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST  

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m chatting about some of my findings after the last podcast where I asked the question.  Does the Rope Access industry need a Level 4?  

I found what people had to say interesting. Many of the people that joined the conversation had good things to say about both sides.  But still a swing of opinions from Instagram to Youtube that's for sure.    

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson

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3 years ago
13 minutes 38 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
ROPE ACCESS LEVEL 4? - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

ROPE ACCESS LEVEL 4? - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST  

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m chatting about if the Rope Access industry needs a level 4.  

Now this episode is based mostly on my personal feelings about the subject and well I end up going down a bit of a rabbit hole here but all and all I think I get back to the point of the subject.  I know that our current system has worked for the most part for 30+ years, but at some point, we have to adapt to change.  

One of the biggest challenges IRATA has taken on is introducing the RAMRASS program that is still in the works and has been for going on 10ish years and I’ll talk about this is another episode.  

But for now let’s dive into this rabbit hole of Rope Access Level 4, the course, and what it could look like.    

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson

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3 years ago
16 minutes 55 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
PROBABILITY OVER CONSEQUENCE - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

PROBABILITY OVER CONSEQUENCE - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m chatting about Probability over Consequence.

Many of people will know this as Likelihood over severity and that’s fine too.  I have found it really comes down to the different industry you’re working in.

Now to understand Probability over Consequence you also have to understand what Risk Tolerance is and the difference between Risk/Hazard is.

No matter what you do, no matter who you are.  You are contently playing a game of Probability over Consequence.

So, Let’s dive in!

But first!

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Mikey Stevenson

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3 years ago
16 minutes 2 seconds

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CONFIDENT VS COCKY - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

CONFIDENT VS COCKY - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m chatting about being confident but not cocky and what that looks like.

This is a subject I have thought a lot about over the years and have spoke a little bit about on my platform.  Yet never really dove into it.  Today I tell you a little bit about my story of being labled in the industry and where I have seen it.  Being confident is great but it can also be looked at as being cocky.  And sometimes, even as you’re just being a ass hole.

I know personally this was never my intent.  Sadly people talk about the industry is small.

So let me know in the comments what your experience is with this topic!

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.

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Till next time,

Mikey Stevenson

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3 years ago
10 minutes 14 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
RESPECTING YOUR FELLOW ROPE TECHS - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

RESPECTING YOUR FELLOW ROPE TECHS - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST 

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m chatting about Respect for your fellow Rope Techs.  Now this doesn’t have to be just for the rope access industry.  But as we know that’s the industry, I’m in so I can only really speak to that. We all must work together.  We all must work as a team.  Once someone starts creating tension among the team.  It’s hard to move past that. 

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests. www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing 

Till next time, 

Mikey Stevenson

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4 years ago
11 minutes 24 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
THE BASICS OF SWL - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

THE BASICS OF SWL - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST  

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. This week I’m chatting about the basics of Safe Working Load (SWL).  This isn’t going to be a long episode but with the increased interest in the topic, I wanted to shine some light on the subject.  This is part 1 of 2.  So make sure to Subscribe to my YouTube channel for the release of part 2.  

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests. www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing 

Till next time, 

Mikey Stevenson

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4 years ago
6 minutes 42 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
WHEN SHOULD YOU UPGRADE TO LEVEL 2 - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

WHEN SHOULD YOU UPGRADE TO LEVEL 2 - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST  

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m chatting about when you should upgrade from level 1 to level 2.  SPRAT or IRATA, my thoughts are the same.  I think everyone should upgrade as soon as possible.  No matter what everyone else out there says. I think that this is the most important step in the process.  Then feel free to stay a Level 2 as long as possible.   

This stage may be where SPRAT and IRATA need to focus on adjusting the requirements to upgrade.   

Just a thought…  Anyways, let me know in the comments what your thoughts are on this subject.   

My goal here is to keep you all up to date as things change in our industries.  So!  Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson

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4 years ago
6 minutes 6 seconds

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WHAT HAPPENS TO MY HOURS - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

WHAT HAPPENS TO MY HOURS - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m chatting about a common question I get.  What happens with my Rope Access Hours if I expire?

My goal here is to keep you all up to date as things change in our industries.  So!

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.

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Till next time,

Mikey Stevenson

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4 years ago
5 minutes 49 seconds

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ANSI Z459.1 - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST
ANSI Z459.1 - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST   Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m diving into ANSI Z459.1 Rope Access Standard that was just released.    I did pay for a version of this standard so I knew what the standard itself said.  So I could comment on it a little better.  I also spoke with people within SPRAT and Z359.   The key point to this is to go in with an open mind and understand that everyone is trying to find the middle ground.  It's not easy when you are dealing with standards at the best of times.  But when you are trying to build a new standard that now affects your everyday work methods it's hard to see all sides.     There are good things about this and bad.  No Question there.  I dive into some of the main things that I saw in the standard.    NO, I CAN NOT SHARE THE STANDARD WITH YOU SO DON'T ASK!   This is something that happened many years ago here in Canada.  It takes time to see the light at the end of the tunnel.  But with hard work, it can happen.  Also, this is NOT law so you don't have to follow it as of right now.  But I would suggest you get familiar with it.   This episode is just a start.  I will make more episodes on this topic as I learn more and as things are updated.    SPRAT's Response:  https://sprat.org/news/sprat-response-to-ansi-assp-z459-1/?fbclid=IwAR1jZ4YJ4RvfiNXbiYNc7dAErsXd09ZAYx7VfMPq0LGfQYTshnjtI3eieLw   My goal here is to keep you all up to date as things change in our industries.  So!   Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.   www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing    Till next time,   Mikey Stevenson
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4 years ago
45 minutes 58 seconds

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RESPECTING OUR MANUFACTURES - TECH TALK / PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

RESPECTING OUR MANUFACTURES - TECH TALK / PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST  

Hello and welcome back to the Rope Access and Climbing Podcast YouTube addition.  Today I’m chatting about having respect for our manufactures.    We have all seen it, someone gets a new item they are all happy with it.  Then they miss use it or don’t use it as it was designed and then the first thing they do is go to Social Media to complain about how crappy it is and the company sucks.    

Well, that is NOT the way you should deal with the situation.  You should always reach out to the manufacture to explain your situation and see if they've had similar outcomes.  Everything we use has limitations. Also, not every item is designed with your job in mind.   

Manufacturers, rely on us the consumer to help them build better equipment.  But you bashing them online isn’t going to help you or anyone else.     

**Disclaimer  Before using any technique or maneuver seen on this channel, please talk to your subject matter expert for the company you work for. Make sure that any and all gear you use on a job is approved and has had a proper risk assessment completed. Please undergo the proper training, know safety your procedures and review all necessary information to safely complete your job within respective policies and regulation.   Thank you**   

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson

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4 years ago
7 minutes 40 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
THE BREADTH OF EXPERIENCE - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

THE BREADTH OF EXPERIENCE -  PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST  

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. This week I wanted to chat to you about something that came to mind this week as I was hanging off the side of a building.  Yes, Not hanging of some massive structure in the Oil and Gas Industry, hanging off a building 175’ feet off the ground as people walk past.   

Today I want to touch base on, the subject of experience.  This is something that is earned not just given.  This is something that our industries is lacking.  This is something that we as end-users need to change.   

Sadly, there aren’t enough people in our industries that have this Breadth of Experience in their logbooks, me included.  This is something that I have been trying to work on ever since I left Acuren in 2018.  Yes, sadly I haven’t been able to do as much as I’ve wanted for whatever the reason has been.   

But this is something that moving forward I want to work on more.   

And you should too!  

At the end of the day, we need to make our industries better and safer.  1 of the ways we can actively work on that is this.  So, challenge yourself this year. Do one or two jobs short or long, in an industry that you haven’t worked in before.    


Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson   

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4 years ago
7 minutes 23 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
ROPE ACCESS NUMBERS - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

ROPE ACCESS NUMBERS - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST    

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m chatting about Rope Access Numbers.  

Not the number of people in the industry or the number of things that have gone wrong.  But the Measurements we seem to talk about in our industry.  

Last week (JULY 11/21) I posted a tech talk video on How to Right Large Y-Hangs. (Click Here: https://youtu.be/EkbjLWes6AU ).  In this video, I used the Measurement 1.5m.  

I would have to say that the industry norm is 1.5m for Y-Hangs, and such.  Well, it’s not 100% correct.  

Y-Hangs are defined as Small or Large: 

IRATA: 1M
SPRAT: 2M  

Re-Anchors – Small or Large: 

IRATA: 1.5M
SPRAT: 2M  

Deviations – Single or Double: 

IRATA: 20Degrees or 1.5M
SPRAT: 20Degrees  

Now with this being said, SPRAT and IRATA require you to Double up the Rigging on Y-Hangs or Deviations no matter the distance if there is a chance of a Failure of the Rope Access System if the one side of the anchor device were to fail.  So, if you are rigging a Y-hang or a Deviation to avoid a super-hot surface.  Then it has to be doubled up anyway, so the rule of distance goes out the window.   

So, why are we so focused on the distance, when we should be focused on training/mentoring our techs better?  The IRATA TACS and SPRAT Certification Requirements for Rope Access Work are only guidelines.    

So, hit me up in the comments or on Instagram and let’s chat about this.  Maybe make another episode on this about my findings.  Should it be a big deal that the difference is ½ a meter or a meter?  Or should we just agree to disagree that 1.5m is good enough across the board and IRATA/SPRAT should just meet in the middle?  (1.5 METERS)     

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up-to-date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  

www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,
Mikey Stevenson

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4 years ago
6 minutes 57 seconds

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ENTERTAINMENT RIGGING WITH SIOBHAN - INTERVIEW - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

ENTERTAINMENT RIGGING WITH SIOBHAN - INTERVIEW - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST    

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. This week I’m chatting with Siobhan about the industry of Entertainment Rigging as well dive into a little bit of Suspension Trauma and Fall Protection standards.  

Please go and subscribe to her YouTube Channel and follow her on Facebook/Instagram https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg6yKjPhZYmUd7EFZUxt7-g  

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  

www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson   


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4 years ago
1 hour 3 minutes 16 seconds

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LET'S TALK SPRAT WITH TROLL - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

LET'S TALK SPRAT WITH TROLL - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST  

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. This week I’m chatting with Troll about All Things SPRAT.  

I haven’t done a lot of research on SPRAT in past years, as a Canadian working in the Oil and Gas industry, this certification isn’t widely accepted.  However, all over the USA no matter the industry it doesn’t seem to matter what certification you carry.   

So ya, have a listen and if you have any more questions about the organization, please drop them in the comments and I will be sure to make another video answering them.    

So please go check them out today and see what they can do for you and your operation.  

http://www.SPRAT.org  

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson

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4 years ago
38 minutes 14 seconds

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PETZL ROPETRIP WITH MICAH RUSH – PODCAST - INTERVIEW THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

PETZL ROPETRIP WITH MICAH RUSH – PODCAST - INTERVIEW THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. This week I’m chatting with Micah Rush from Peak Rescue about his experience at the Petzl RopeTrip as a judge and a competitor.  We also chat a little bit about our thoughts on Rope Access, Rope Rescue competitions and if they should even be a thing.

So ya, let us know in the comments below what your thought on competition is.
Thank you.

So please go check them out today and see what they can do for you and your operation.

http://www.peak-rescue.com

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.

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Mikey Stevenson

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4 years ago
45 minutes 41 seconds

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IRATA TACS DOCUMENT UPDATE - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

IRATA TACS DOCUMENT UPDATE - PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST    

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Today I’m chatting about the recent changes IRATA has made to the TACS Document.  

9.4.3, 9.4.4, 9.4.5, and 9.4.6  

For the most part, it should be pretty straightforward.  But for others, it may not.  

So, I’m going to give some examples of how this should play out during your next assessment.    


My goal here is to keep you all up to date as things change in our industries.  

So!  

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.  www.instagram.com/RopeAccess_and_Climbing   

Till next time,  

Mikey Stevenson

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4 years ago
11 minutes 36 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
TAILING ROPES WITH RONIN RESCUE – INTERVIEW – PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

TAILING ROPES WITH RONIN RESCUE – INTERVIEW – PODCAST - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. This week I’m chatting with Mark from Ronin Rescue again.  But today I’m diving into the who, what, where did this topic/concept come from and who does it apply to.

Is this something that only affects the rescues industry or is this something that should be talked about in all industries?

Stay tuned to find out!

Mark can be found…

www.RoninRescue.com
Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Linked In

Please make sure to subscribe to my channel for more videos like this, and don't forget to follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Follow on Instagram for live up to date stories of experiences working in the field, creating new content, and news on upcoming guests.

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Till next time,

Mikey Stevenson


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4 years ago
56 minutes 35 seconds

The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast
Step into your harness and get ready for a podcast about the vertical world. Hi, I’m Mikey Stevenson and welcome to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. Bringing you tips, tricks and conversation about the rope access industry and beyond.