S5:E3 From Retail Pride to Human Pride: Navigating Leadership and Connection with Ron Thurston In this episode, Ron Thurston returns to discuss his new book 'Human Pride' and its themes of optimizing human potential in a world increasing its reliance on technology and AI. The conversation takes us through Ron’s extensive experience leading major retail brands, his journey from publishing his first book 'Retail Pride' to 'Human Pride', and the crucial balance between human connection and technological efficiency. We explore various aspects of leadership, including the importance of empathy, curiosity, and the significant role of human connection in the workplace. Ron emphasizes the need for self-reflection, understanding core values, and maintaining strong interpersonal relationships despite technological advancements. Rejecting 'hustle culture' in favor of fostering meaningful connections and optimizing individual strengths, Ron highlights the need for human-centric approaches to recruitment, leadership, and career development via examples and insights from his own career. Tune in for an engaging conversation filled with practical insights and inspirational stories that underscore the power of pride and human potential in the workplace! About this episode's partner newsletter: The SKUpe Running a retail business means making nonstop decisions—inventory, staffing, marketing, tech. The SKUpe is the weekly newsletter designed to help you make smarter calls, faster. Curated by industry experts, The SKUpe delivers clear, trustworthy insights on what’s working for small and mid-sized retailers today. Join 20,000 retail decision makers who rely on it to stay sharp and ahead of the game. Subscribe to The SKUpe at https://www.theskupe.co/?cid=678aaa6cd5126?cid=679bca6723dd3 About Ron Thurston: Author, “Human Pride: Optimizing Your Potential In A Digital Job Market” Ron Thurston is a bestselling author, keynote speaker, and bold voice in the movement to reimagine leadership in a world transformed by technology. His new book, HUMAN PRIDE: Optimizing Your Human Potential in a Digital Job Market (May 2025), delivers a powerful roadmap for standing out, staying relevant, and thriving in the future of work. With over 30 years of executive experience leading teams at iconic brands like Apple, Gap, West Elm, Tory Burch, Bonobos, and Saint Laurent, Ron knows how to build winning cultures that drive performance. His first book, RETAIL PRIDE (2020) became a career-defining guide for thousands of industry professionals, helping them reclaim confidence and purpose in their work. As the creator and host of the Retail in America tour and podcast, Ron spent over a year traveling across 30 states in an Airstream to spotlight the real stories and remarkable people shaping retail’s future. Today, he serves on multiple retail tech supplier advisory boards, helping brands integrate AI and digital tools without losing sight of what matters most: people. A sought-after keynote speaker, Ron brings energy, insight, and inspiration to global conferences, C-suite offsites, and corporate events. His message resonates across industries: your greatest competitive advantage is human. Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://retailrazor.substack.com Subscribe to our YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/RRShowYouTube 00:00 The SKUpe Newsletter 00:34 Show Intro 06:51 Welcome Back, Ron Thurston! 07:43 Discussing Ron's New Book: Human Pride 08:46 The Importance of Human Connection in Retail 10:24 Optimizing Human Potential in a Tech-Driven World 15:37 Defining and Standing by Non-Negotiables in Job Search 22:54 The Role of Empathy and Curiosity in Leadership 26:48 Challenges in Modern Hiring Practices 35:11 The Future of Work: Balancing Technology and Human Connection 38:15 Career Longevity and Brand Affinity in Retail 41:56 Navigating the Fast-Paced Industry 43:36 Adapting to Office Culture 44:39 Broadening Job Search Perspectives 47:40 Leadership with Empathy and Emotional Intelligence, But Without Titles 51:21 The Future of Work and Technology 59:11 Balancing Technology and Human Connection 01:05:26 Final Thoughts and Takeaways 01:09:58 Show Close Meet your hosts, helping you cut through the clutter in retail & retail tech: Ricardo Belmar is an NRF Top Retail Voices for 2025 and a RETHINK Retail Top Retail Expert from 2021 – 2024. Thinkers 360 has named him a Top 10 Retail Thought Leader, Top 50 Management Thought Leader, Top 100 Digital Transformation Thought Leader, and a Top Digital Voice for 2024. He is an advisory council member at George Mason University’s Center for Retail Transformation, and is the director partner marketing for retail & consumer goods at Microsoft. Casey Golden, is the CEO of Luxlock, a RETHINK Retail Top Retail Expert for 2023 and 2024, and Retail Cloud Alliance advisory council member. Obsessed with the customer relationship between the brand and the consumer. After a career on the fashion and supply chain technology side of the business, now slaying franken-stacks and building retail tech! Includes music provided by imunobeats.com, featuring Overclocked, and E-Motive from the album Beat Hype, written by Heston Mimms, published by Imuno.