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The Resilient Pastor

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68 episodes

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Send us a text Barna’s newest research reveals a stunning reversal: for the first time in decades, men are attending church more than women. Host Rich Villodas sits down with David Kinnaman and Ashley LaLonde from Barna to unpack what’s driving this shift and what it means for pastors and leaders. From purity culture to politics, Gen Z to single moms, this conversation offers both empathy and practical insight for churches navigating today’s changing spiritual landscape. Episode Links Text BA...

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Send us a text Barna’s newest research reveals a stunning reversal: for the first time in decades, men are attending church more than women. Host Rich Villodas sits down with David Kinnaman and Ashley LaLonde from Barna to unpack what’s driving this shift and what it means for pastors and leaders. From purity culture to politics, Gen Z to single moms, this conversation offers both empathy and practical insight for churches navigating today’s changing spiritual landscape. Episode Links Text BA...

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The Resilient Pastor

62 | The Surprising Shift in Church Attendance – with David Kinnaman & Ashley LaLonde

Send us a text Barna’s newest research reveals a stunning reversal: for the first time in decades, men are attending church more than women. Host Rich Villodas sits down with David Kinnaman and Ashley LaLonde from Barna to unpack what’s driving this shift and what it means for pastors and leaders. From purity culture to politics, Gen Z to single moms, this conversation offers both empathy and practical insight for churches navigating today’s changing spiritual landscape. Episode Links Text BA...

1 week ago

1 hour 1 minute

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61 | Pastoring in Polarized Times

Send us a text In this episode of The Resilient Pastor Podcast, Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas, and Sharon Hodde Miller discuss how pastors can lead with wisdom and calm in polarized times. Drawing from Barna research and their own pastoral experiences, they explore what it means to be a non-anxious presence, when to speak (and when to stay silent), and how to shepherd a politically diverse congregation with humility, prayer, and conviction. Episode Links Free Resource from Our Partner, BELAY...

3 weeks ago

41 minutes

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60 | Nona Jones on Embracing Rejection & Finding Strength in Ministry

Send us a text Sharon Hodde Miller talks with Nona Jones about how rejection can shape your purpose and strengthen your ministry. Drawing from her own experiences in leadership, Nona shares how pastors can process hurt, set healthy expectations in relationships and stay resilient in the face of challenges. Episode Links Download Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at barna.com/measuring-what-matters.Check out Nona Jones's book, The Gift of Rejection, wherev...

6 months ago

46 minutes

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59 | Jackie Hill Perry & Preston Perry on Screen Time, Family Rhythms & Ministry Life

Send us a text Rich Villodas talks with Jackie Hill Perry and Preston Perry about navigating the pull of technology, setting healthy family rhythms and keeping their marriage strong in the midst of ministry demands. They share honest insights on creating space for connection, managing digital distractions and trusting God with the pressures of parenting and leadership. Episode Links Download Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at Barna.com/measuring-what-ma...

6 months ago

47 minutes

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58 | Robby Angle on Building Discipleship Cultures, Small Groups & Embracing Slow Growth

Send us a text Sharon Hodde Miller talks with Robby Angle about relational discipleship, building small groups that foster real growth and why changing church culture takes time. They explore practical steps for investing in leaders, cultivating meaningful relationships and trusting God with the slow but lasting work of discipleship. Episode Links Learn how RightNow Pastors Plus equips ministry leaders with on-demand training at rnow.me/plus.Check out True Face for resources on relati...

7 months ago

45 minutes

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57 | Tyler Staton on Making Room for the Spirit & Reaching a Spiritually Open Generation

Send us a text Rich Villodas talks with Tyler Staton about helping people experience God in meaningful ways. They explore practical steps for creating space for the Holy Spirit, how to pastor in a spiritually open culture and why awakening desire is key to connecting with today's generation. Tyler also shares insights on preaching, prayer and learning to lead with courage. Episode Links Download Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at barna.com/measuring-wha...

7 months ago

51 minutes

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56 | Daniel Muvengi on Parenting in a Digital Age & Supporting Pastors Globally

Send us a text Glenn Packiam sits down with Dr. Daniel Muvengi (from World Vision International) to discuss the challenges pastors in Kenya are navigating, the pressures of parenting in ministry and how the Church is working to strengthen families. They also explore ways that churches in the West can learn from the resilience and perspectives of the global church. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.Get World Vision’s free resource on parenting: Parenting the Op...

8 months ago

44 minutes

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55 | Lisa Fields on Discipling Through Doubt & Deconstruction

Send us a text David Kinnaman sits down with Lisa Fields, founder and CEO of the Jude 3 Project, to discuss how pastors can disciple people through doubt, deconstruction and spiritual disappointment. She shares practical wisdom on listening well, fostering spiritual healing and leading from a place of emotional health. Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller open the conversation by reflecting on the realities of deconstruction in their own ministry contexts, the importance of cu...

8 months ago

43 minutes

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54 | Jennie Allen on the Global Church & a Generation Hungry for Revival

Send us a text Rich Villodas sits down with Jennie Allen, founder of IF:Gathering and Gather25, to talk about mobilizing the global church and discipling the next generation. Jennie describes the growing spiritual hunger she’s witnessing across the world, how pastors can help their churches connect with the global movement of God, and why now is the time for believers everywhere to unite in prayer, worship and mission. She also shares the vision behind Gather25, a 25-hour global event that wi...

9 months ago

50 minutes

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53 | Jay Kim on Team Health & Leadership Development

Send us a textIn this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with Jay Kim, lead pastor of WestGate Church in Silicon Valley, to discuss how to cultivate healthy teams in ministry. Jay shares actionable insights on fostering trust, navigating generational shifts in team dynamics and implementing consistent feedback loops to support growth and alignment for church teams.Episode LinksWatch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.Sign up for the free State of the Church 2025 webcast at StateoftheChurch...

9 months ago

57 minutes

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52 | Shaila Visser & Dan Blythe on Evangelism and Engaging the Open Generation

Send us a text Glenn Packiam sits down with Shaila Visser, National Director of Alpha Canada and Dan Blythe, Global Youth Director for Alpha, to explore how pastors and church leaders can reimagine evangelism in today’s cultural landscape. Together, they share key findings from The Open Generation research and the creation of the Youth Alpha film series, offering practical insights on fostering intergenerational ministry, empowering young leaders and creating authentic spaces for faith explor...

9 months ago

48 minutes

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51 | 3 Ways to Strengthen Your Marriage in Ministry (Live Recording)

Send us a text Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for a special live recording of The Resilient Pastor podcast as they explore the unique challenges ministry places on marriages. Together, they share practical insights, actionable steps and key strategies to help leaders safeguard their relationships and overcome common hurdles. Whether you're looking to strengthen your partnership or connect with others navigating similar challenges, this episode offers valuable wisdom...

10 months ago

41 minutes

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Coming Soon: Season 6 of 'The Resilient Pastor'

Send us a textJoin Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for another season of conversations to equip you in your ministry work. In this upcoming season, we’ll be covering more pressing topics, including the relational health of pastors, engaging with the work of the global church and practical ministry challenges for pastors and leaders. New episodes start on January 2, 2025 and will be released every other Thursday. Subscribe to never miss an episode!-Follow along...

10 months ago

1 minute

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50 | Pete Scazzero on Pastoral Credibility & Establishing Trust Within the Church

Send us a text Pete Scazzero sits down with Rich Villodas to reflect on the lessons learned from his ministry journey. Together, they discuss the unique temptations pastors need to be on guard against, practical ways for pastors to lead out of their marriage and advice for the young leaders to sustain in ministry long-term. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusCh...

1 year ago

55 minutes

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49 | Jimmy and Irene Rollins on Building Healthy Marriages & Relational Support for Pastors

Send us a text Jimmy and Irene Rollins join Sharon Hodde Miller to share their own journey of overcoming addiction and unpack some of the unique challenges facing pastors’ marriages. They also share some practical ways pastors can guard the health of their marriages and offer guidance on ways congregations can better support pastors and their families. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal...

1 year ago

50 minutes

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48 | Mark Matlock on Rethinking Evangelism & Reaching the Spiritually Curious

Send us a text Glenn Packiam and Mark Matlock discuss how pastors can create a church environment that is open to spiritual exploration, what needs to change in our current approach to reaching the spiritually curious and some practical tips to starting those conversations. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Mark Matlock’s latest book, Faith Fo...

1 year ago

52 minutes

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47 | Megan Fate Marshman on Leading Amidst Grief & Learning to Slow Down

Send us a text Rich Villodas sits down with Megan Fate Marshman to discuss the impact of grief on spirituality and how her own grief journey has affected the way she leads. Together, they discuss different struggles she has faced as a preacher and how to slow down in today’s hustle culture. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access PlusLearn more about Megan Marshman’s la...

1 year ago

47 minutes

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46 | Reward Sibanda on Spiritual Openness in the Next Generation & the Impact of Digital Technology

Send us a text On today’s episode of the Resilient Pastor Podcast, Glenn Packiam and Reward Sibanda discuss the gaps in spiritual openness between the Church and the next generation, the impact of digital spaces and how spiritual disciplines like fasting are connected to holistic renewal. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access Plus Partner Resources Download World Vision’s ...

1 year ago

51 minutes

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45 | Michael Wear on Navigating Political Polarization & the Spiritual Impact of Politics

Send us a text Michael Wear sits down with Glenn Packiam to discuss what it looks like for Christians to engage in politics, how spiritual health impacts the state of our politics and some practical ways to navigate political conversations. Michael also shares his personal experience working in the White House and the challenges he’s faced as a Christian in politics. Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the full State of Pastors webcast replayAccess the Sta...

1 year ago

48 minutes

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44 | Daniel Im on Discipleship & Spiritual Formation in a Post-Everything Age

Send us a text Daniel Im joins Glenn Packiam to discuss the challenges and opportunities of leading a church in a post-everything world. Together, they explore the historical context of the church growth movement and its impact on church leadership, emphasizing the critical importance of developing robust discipleship pathways and the key role pastors play in guiding congregations toward spiritual growth and maturity. ___ Episode Links Watch this episode on Barna’s Youtube ChannelWatch the ...

1 year ago

45 minutes