In this episode, Lisa sits down with Ann, a 71-year-old artist, dancer, and healer, who opens up about her lifelong journey with food, body image, and emotional healing. Ann takes us through the ups and downs of living in a body that often felt like both a battleground and a refuge. Through movement, dance, and the support of the OOTC community, she has found profound transformation—especially through her time in the Out of the Cave program.
Topics Include:
Food and Family Dynamics
Adolescence and Body Shame
Movement as Healing
Community and Support
[:35] Lisa encourages listeners to register for the Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute from September 7-12, 2025 and to sign up for the final group coaching cohort starting in September.
[4:45] Ann introduces herself as a 71-year-old artist from Seattle. Her professional life has centered on performing and healing arts, including movement, dance, theater, and massage therapy. She expresses a deep curiosity about the human experience and the mind-body connection. Lisa and Ann discuss her childhood memories of food. Ann shares her earliest memory wasn’t about food but being 3 years old hiding in a cupboard with brown sugar. Ann remembers being a picky eater with little interest in food.
[9:29] Ann describes dinner times as tense due to her father’s presence. Ann talks about eating alone because of the tension at the table. Ann describes her struggles with body image, as she started linking her self-worth to her physical appearance during her teenage years. Lisa and Ann discuss how high school brought challenges with weight gain and body image, intensified by the school newspaper promoting an ‘ideal’ female figure.
[20:35] Ann shares how her career as an aerobics instructor in her mid-20s prompted an understanding of food as fuel for performance. She describes how this period of high physical activity and improved nutrition led to enhanced mental clarity, an end to a long-term depression, and a return to college. Lisa and Ann talk about how the death of her father and subsequent diagnosis of her mother with cancer further compounded a period of profound grief and depression, resulting in significant weight gain from emotional eating and decreased physical activity.
[31:29] Ann talks about how after her mother’s passing, she rediscovered dance through a mind-body practice called Nia. Ann became a Nia instructor for 13 years. Ann discovered that when she engaged in the movement she loved, her eating habits would improve.
[41:50] Lisa and Ann discuss how in the summer of 2023, she was on a very restrictive diet, which made her angry at herself for ‘falling for it again’ and giving her power away to an external system, despite intuitively knowing that such methods are not a long-term solution. Ann shares with Lisa how finding her 14-week program provided an essential container for healing. Lisa and Ann emphasize the power of the group setting, where listening to others’ stories and feeling accepted creates a safe, powerful and transformative environment.
[51:53] Lisa and Ann discuss how the program offers a unique, safe space to share vulnerabilities about food and body image. Ann shares that consistently experiencing safety and acceptance in a group is presented as the fundamental mechanism for transformation.
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In this podcast, Lisa meets with Internal Family Systems (IFS) practitioner and Certified Health Education Specialist (CHES), Manya Ronay. Together they discuss a comprehensive approach to nutrition that integrates balanced dietary practices with emotional well-being. They address emotional eating, stress management, and the use of Internal Family Systems to balance dietary choices.
Topics Include:
Intuitive Eating
Food Industry
IFS Framework
Emotional Eating
Intentional Weight Loss Strategies
[:35] Lisa encourages listeners to sign up for the final group coaching cohort starting in September and the Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute from September 7-12, 2025.
[10:22] Manya introduces herself as a certified health educator, nutrition specialist, and practitioner trained in internal family systems, underscoring a commitment to nuanced health and eating narratives. Lisa encourages listeners to listen to the previous podcast episode with Manya. Lisa and Manya discuss nutritional science and its diverse expert opinions, political influences, and constant evolution.
[15:14] Lisa discusses how her approach to food intake is like managing a financial budget, where understanding caloric surplus and deficit plays a key role. She explains how this method allows her to be aware of the calories in food without succumbing to judgment or rigidity, allowing for informed choices to maintain weight balance.
[22:00] Manya expresses caution about the potential pitfalls of anti-diet and intuitive eating messages, how they gaslight by promoting absolute freedom from food monitoring. Lisa and Manya discuss the value of mindful eating, how balance is necessary to avoid counterproductive outcomes.
[28:25] Manya discusses Kevin Hall’s experiment that showed that ultra-processed meals led to higher calorie consumption, while real foods increased satiety and reduced caloric intake, resulting in weight loss. Lisa discusses how her approach to maintaining her weight loss is eating for volume and choosing high-nutrient, low-calorie foods over calorie-dense, low-volume options.
[49:30] Lisa and Manya discuss how her living in an environment of high stress has led to her using food to gain a sense of comfort and safety. They discuss how Manya should shift to managing stress and embracing embodied safety will help her with her intentional weight loss without a diet mentality. Manya talks about how the IFS framework is used to balance contrasting inner parts: firefighters, representing the urge to eat for comfort, and managers, which impose boundaries. Lisa and Manya explain how this integration supports healthy eating decisions while honoring the positive intention of every inner part.
[1:18:56] Lisa and Manya wrap up the episode by discussing how listeners can learn more about Manya and connect at: Website | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn.
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In this podcast, Lisa explores trauma-informed, holistic approaches to food, eating, and body image, focusing on the psychology of shame, internalized sexism, and somatic experiences in therapy with David Bedrick. Together they discuss the importance of compassionate inquiry, critique mainstream treatment methods, and personal and professional journeys. Their conversation highlights the integration of emotional and physical healing, the role of self-compassion, and the value of unshaming in supporting individuals with disordered eating.
Topics Include:
Body Image
Trauma Informed Care
Disordered Eating
Coping Mechanisms
[:35] Lisa introduces David, expressing admiration for his work. David shares his professional background of over 30 years as a psychologist, 10 years as an attorney, author of five books including ‘The Unshaming Way’, and his research on body shame. David discusses his upbringing in a violent home, the impact of trauma and denial, and how these experiences led to his interest in trauma, shame, and psychology.
[10:22] David discusses with Lisa the differences in body image issues between men and women, highlighting the impact of sexism and internalized negative voices, especially for women. David shares findings from his research that resistance to dieting programs can be an act of self-love, rather than a lack of discipline. David explains how the ‘unshaming way’ reframes eating behaviors as intelligent responses to unmet needs rather than problems to be fixed. David describes how a client, after working on asserting her needs in life, saw a reduction in compulsive eating.
[14:00] David presents a case where a woman’s craving for hamburgers was linked to her unmet need for autonomy and self-expression. By exploring her desires in a non-shaming way, she recognized that eating hamburgers was the only area where she prioritized her own needs, leading to broader personal growth.
[21:00] David discusses three types of relationships: with oneself, with others, and with the world. He explains how eating behaviors can reflect unmet needs or safety concerns in these relationships, and how trauma or abuse can influence eating patterns as a means of coping or self-protection. David emphasizes that feelings of safety are foundational in addressing eating behaviors.
[39:30] Lisa and David explore the importance of addressing both emotional and physical aspects when working with individuals who are severely underweight or overweight, rather than adopting a black-and-white approach. Lisa and David engage in discussion on the value of helping individuals connect with the literal, somatic experience of their bodies and suffering, rather than focusing on self-judgment or shaming.
[46:32] Lisa and David examine dissociation as a survival mechanism in trauma, and strategies for gently helping individuals reconnect with their bodies and experiences. Lisa and David talk about the transformative impact of being met with love, respect, compassion, and grace, both internally and from a supportive community.
[1:05:26] Lisa and David wrap up the episode by discussing how listeners can find him. David shares that he can be found on Instagram and his website, has written about 80 essays for Psychology Today, and is working on his fifth book. His fourth book, ‘The Unshaming Way,’ is being translated into seven languages. He offers a 10-month facilitator course and shorter, less expensive courses on trauma and healing.
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In this final episode of the exercise series, Lisa steps out of theory and into lived experience — sharing a personal essay written during her senior year of college. Titled “Inside the Box,” the piece chronicles one intense day inside a CrossFit gym.
Topics Include:
CrossFit
Exercise Enthusiasts
Community
Personal Transformation
[1:05] Lisa explains her intention to wrap up the conversation on exercise by sharing a personal essay she wrote 10 years ago, rather than continuing with her own thoughts, theories, and ideas on the subject. Lisa notes it was a paper written for an investigative journalism class in her senior year of college in 2015. She mentions it is optional reading in the group coaching program’s exercise module. The essay, “Inside the Box,” details one day of a CrossFit workout. Lisa describes the workout emphasizing the extreme intensity and challenge.
[4:52] Lisa describes the physical environment of the CrossFit gym, referred to as a “box,” as a space dedicated to transforming bodies and minds. The gym’s layout includes workout equipment like kettlebells, medicine balls, and free weights on one wall, and rowing machines and pull-up bars on the other. A whiteboard advertises CrossFit as an “anti-aging drug” with side effects including stamina, strength, flexibility, power, speed, agility, coordination, balance, accuracy, and community.
[8:12] Lisa describes the official CrossFit philosophy, established by Greg Glassman in 2000, aims for overall improvement in all capacities rather than specialization. Lisa talks about the program’s controversial reputation due to injuries, hospitalizations, and deaths, with rhabdomyolysis being a known repercussion.
[11:57] Lisa recounts her participation in a highly encouraged fundamentals class, designed to teach prospective athletes “how to walk before learning how to run.” With a personal trainer, she learned proper form for deadlifts, presses, squats, snatches, and thrusters using a 15-pound training bar, before graduating to join the regular class.
[19:05] Lisa highlights the strong sense of community, mutual support, and camaraderie. She describes how finished athletes support those still working out and how CrossFitters are attracted to the atmosphere, community, camaraderie, and sense of belonging,
[23:42] Lisa recounts her lifelong dread of gym class and the mile run, starting her fitness journey at 302 pounds at her first Jenny Craig appointment, aiming to halve her body weight. Lisa describes months of diverse exercises and particularly challenging interval training on the treadmill with a stern trainer. She details the physical discomfort and her internal struggle. Lisa describes the mindset shift from resistance to a “bring-it-bitch attitude,” where temporary suffering became an indication of pushing limits, resulting in feelings of power, strength, achievement, and triumph, and feeling invincible. Lisa explains why CrossFit’s intensity, addiction, and cult-like following do not surprise her.
[41:18] Lisa clarifies that her essay reflects her personal experience and investigation. She emphasizes that CrossFit varies greatly depending on the gym (“box”) and its community, and her experience may not be universal for all CrossFit participants. Lisa ends the series by thanking all of her listeners for going on the journey with her.
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In this third episode, Lisa unpacks how movement can become a powerful act of self-care — not self-control. Drawing on her own healing and trauma-informed expertise, she challenges some mainstream fitness narratives and reclaims exercise as a tool for reconnection, resilience, and radical self-acceptance.
Topics Include:
Mind-body Connection
Exercise Intensity
Intentional Movement
Self-Acceptance
[1:43] Lisa discusses the importance of healing dissociation and strengthening the mind-body connection, particularly through movement and exercise, referencing the nervous system and polyvagal theory. Lisa explains the basics of polyvagal theory, differentiating between sympathetic (fight-or-flight) and parasympathetic (rest-and-digest) nervous system responses, and highlights the importance of understanding whether someone is in hyperarousal or hypoarousal (freeze). Lisa emphasizes that movement, especially intentional and conscious movement, is crucial for shifting out of a freeze state and re-engaging with life.
[13:05] Lisa critiques the narrative that only gentle movement is healthy, arguing that for some people, high-intensity movement is necessary and supportive for healing. Lisa addresses concerns about high-intensity exercise raising cortisol, explaining that acute stress is natural and only becomes harmful if not balanced with rest, nutrition, and hydration. Lisa introduces the idea of using exercise as an opportunity to practice showing up as the person you aspire to be, referencing her work with clients.
[25:00] Lisa discusses insights from clients and personal observations about how one’s mindset and self-identity at work or during exercise significantly impact the experience, especially for those with chronic pain. She emphasizes that it is not the activity itself but the internal dialogue and self-perception that create stress or discomfort.
[34:45] Lisa explains that negative self-talk and a judgmental mindset during exercise can trigger stress responses and contribute to chronic pain. She highlights the importance of recognizing the ‘inner predator’ and shifting to a more compassionate, supportive internal dialogue. Lisa addresses the importance of intention in exercise, noting that exercising to change oneself out of shame or inadequacy sends danger signals to the brain, while exercising from a place of self-acceptance and abundance fosters safety and healing.
[46:12] Lisa points out that any movement, not just yoga, can be a mind-body exercise if approached with mindful attention. She shares the practice of focusing solely on the present activity, such as being on the mat or treadmill, to enhance the mind-body connection. Lisa recounts how “John” taught her to be present and connected to her body during weightlifting, which led to a transformative realization about exercise and life.
[52:45] Lisa encourages listeners to act as their own coach or trainer, pushing themselves out of love and self-care rather than self-criticism, and to remember their inherent worthiness. Lisa asserts that everyone deserves and is worthy of stretching beyond their comfort zone, and that self-care and personal growth are individual responsibilities.
[1:04:25] Lisa invites listeners to reach out with questions, comments, or reflections about their experiences and the topics discussed.
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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In the second episode of this series, Lisa unpacks what it means to reclaim exercise as an act of self-care, not self-control. Drawing from her own journey and trauma-informed expertise, she explores how mindful, functional movement can reconnect us to our bodies, build emotional resilience, and support holistic well-being. With compassion and clarity, Lisa challenges the myths we’ve inherited about exercise, and invites everyone to shift from shame-based discipline to embodied empowerment.
Topics Include:
Relationship with Exercise
Functional Training
Mindset and Discipline
Self-Compassion and Growth
[1:42] Lisa reflects on her long-term journey with exercise, acknowledging years of conscious movement and empathizing with listeners who feel disconnected from exercise or have negative associations due to past experiences. Lisa shares her own childhood experiences of gym class anxiety and trauma, expressing deep empathy for listeners who may carry similar feelings into adulthood. Lisa discusses the concept of reclaiming one’s relationship with exercise, encouraging listeners to redefine movement in a way that feels supportive and enjoyable for their future.
[4:32] Lisa explains functional training as movement patterns that mirror everyday activities (walking, running, lifting, lunging, squatting, pushing, pulling, twisting) and highlights its integration into daily life for holistic health. Lisa emphasizes that exercise is not just about physical health but also mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being.
[7:50] Lisa discusses how exercise can help heal dissociation and mind-body disconnect, especially for those with trauma histories, by fostering intentional awareness of bodily sensations. Lisa suggests using movement not to change the body, but to reconnect with it and become more aware of physical sensations, which can translate to greater emotional awareness. Lisa explains that experiencing discomfort during exercise is essential for physical and personal growth, distinguishing between healthy discomfort and pain, and highlighting how tolerating discomfort in the gym can translate to better emotional resilience.
[22:00] Lisa stresses the importance of recognizing and respecting one’s physical limits and plateaus during exercise, noting that denial can lead to injury and that these experiences do not reflect personal failure. Lisa emphasizes the necessity of rest and recovery, stating that even professional athletes and Olympians should not work out seven days a week, and that honoring the body’s need for rest prevents injury and overtraining.
[30:30] Lisa discusses the concept that there is no finish line in fitness; progress is ongoing, with new goals always emerging. Lisa emphasizes the importance of being present, celebrating achievements, and avoiding burnout by acknowledging progress. Lisa addresses the complex relationship with discipline, advocating for a self-loving, compassionate approach rather than self-loathing. Lisa discusses how practicing discipline in movement and exercise can help with other habits and behaviors outside of the workout space.
[51:25] Lisa discusses how exercise serves as a mechanism for practicing resilience, self-reflection, and personal development, focusing on how individuals respond to obstacles, discomfort, and disappointment. Lisa talks about how her clients would often underestimate their physical and emotional strength, and the role of her as their coach in helping them realize their true capacity.
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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In the first solo episode of this series, Lisa dives into what it takes to build a healthy, lasting relationship with movement and exercise. She explores how tuning into your body — not punishing it — is the key to sustainable exercise, and how self-inquiry and experimentation help you discover what truly feels good. Lisa reframes movement as essential care, not a chore — something our bodies are meant to do — and invites listeners to shift from a mindset of restriction to one of nourishment, growth, and joyful embodiment.
Topics Include:
Exercise Mindset
Self Compassion
Body Awareness
[1:03] Lisa makes two announcements: the group coaching program that started in May and the five-day retreat at the Omega Institute in September.
[3:54] Lisa explains her motivation for recording a solo episode focused on exercise, aiming to provide a comprehensive resource for those struggling with their relationship to exercise. Lisa reflects on her personal growth since starting the podcast, describing the initial anxiety and how she now feels calm, grounded, and grateful for the platform.
[5:33] Lisa emphasizes the importance of understanding one’s beliefs and emotional responses to exercise, encouraging listeners to reflect on where their attitudes toward exercise originated. Lisa urges listeners to critically examine the origins of their beliefs about exercise, including the influence of experts and profit motives, and to assess whether these beliefs are still serving them.
[15:53] Lisa discusses viewing exercise as maintenance and care for the body, emphasizing the body as a vehicle for the soul and the importance of movement for overall well-being. Lisa addresses the emotional challenges of returning to exercise after a break, the tendency to compare oneself to past abilities, and the need for both gentle and fierce self-compassion to overcome avoidance.
[41:21] Lisa talks about the importance of engaging in a conversation with the body rather than making demands. Instead of immediately acting on the urge to move by enforcing structured exercise, one should ask the body what kind of movement, duration, and intensity it desires.
[57:28] Lisa encourages listeners to reclaim their relationship with exercise, making it personally meaningful and enjoyable rather than dictated by external pressures or diet culture. The invitation is to reflect on how to integrate these ideas into one’s life. Lisa invites listeners to submit questions about exercise and movement via Spotify, email, or Instagram for future episodes.
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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Danielle Harel, PhD and cofounder of the Somatica Institute. Together, they discuss healing through embodied pleasure, mindful sensory engagement, and personal growth strategies to counteract societal conditioning and rebuild self-worth.
Topics Include:
Embodied Pleasure
Self Empowerment
Pleasurable Experiences
[1:06] Lisa welcomes Danielle Harel, PhD in human sexuality and co-founder of the Somatica Institute, for a groundbreaking conversation on tackling themes of sex, intimacy, body image, and self-worth. Lisa shares the email that connected her with Danielle and her excitement at exploring this topic on the OOTC podcast. Lisa notes that with over 120 episodes, this discussion marks a first exploration of topics like sex and intimacy on the podcast. They discuss how societal messages and objectification, such as the constant focus on appearance and weight, deeply influence self-perception and body shame. Danielle talks about the need to counteract these habits by reconnecting with internal sensations.
[10:06] Danielle explores using sensuality, intimacy, and erotic embodiment as tools for empowerment and this includes embracing full body sensations and recognizing pleasure as a means to rebuild self-worth and challenge internalized cultural messages. Lisa and Danielle excitedly discuss neurobiology and the concept of neuroplasticity, noting that repetitive thought patterns (like objectifying oneself) form strong neural pathways, which can be reshaped by actively engaging with pleasurable sensations and mindful embodiment.
[18:33] Danielle talks about sex beyond penetration, promoting the idea of pleasure in everyday experiences such as movement, tasting food, and overall sensory enjoyment and the empowerment found in diverse pleasurable experiences. discussion about food as a source of pleasure. Lisa and Danielle point out that when food becomes the only source of pleasure, it can lead to disordered eating. They discuss the need for a balanced approach where food is enjoyed along with other life pleasures.
[35:30] Lisa and Danielle cover the significance of receiving compliments and self-affirmation as a way to counteract internal criticism, encouraging acceptance and internalizing positive feedback. Danielle discusses how many people have a fear of pleasure due to cultural and societal conditioning. Lisa and Danielle discuss the challenge of slowing down and being present, making gradual steps to allow the nervous system to learn that pleasure is safe.
[51:06] Lisa and Danielle talk about the importance of reclaiming one’s own sexuality from societal and cultural narratives, emphasizing a shift towards experiencing and expressing bodily pleasure as a natural part of being human.
[56:04] Danielle discusses the benefits of personal growth experience in a group of other people who are going to do it with you and the core training offered through the Somatica Institute. She shared that there is also training for coaches. Danielle offered a 20% off discount for the OOTC audience for the Love Your Body class. She can also be found on Instagram.
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In this episode, Lisa is joined by group coaching alumni, Jen. They discuss Jen’s personal journey of healing from childhood family dynamics, body image struggles, and emotional challenges, highlighting the importance of community, self-responsibility, and ongoing support in achieving self-acceptance and well-being.
Topics Include:
Family Dynamics
Body Image
Emotional Healing
[0:31] Lisa announces that the next round of the Out of the Cave group coaching program will start soon in May 2025, encouraging listeners to reach out within the next couple of days if interested.
[2:13] Lisa introduces the episode as an interview with Jen, who has participated in the group coaching program, aftercare program, and a retreat, highlighting Jen’s growth and healing. Jen shares she is 43 years old, a wife, mother to a 19-year-old and a 7-year-old first grader, the youngest of three sisters, and a special education teacher. She identifies as a recovering perfectionist and people pleaser.
[4:07] Jen describes being a ‘surprise’ child, with sisters 8 and 13 years older, and growing up in a house built for two children. She recalls her parents’ backgrounds, family traditions, and the impact of being the youngest and unplanned. Jen reflects on the recurring family narrative of her being a surprise, how it was discussed publicly, and how she internalized this story, realizing its impact only in adulthood. Jen describes predictable family meals, with her father being present and supportive, and her mother always preparing meals. Jen talks about her father finishing leftover food to avoid conflict, highlighting family dynamics around food and emotional safety.
[46:39] Jen describes initial isolation and academic focus during the first quarters of college, experiencing loneliness. Her turning point came when her roommate encouraged her to join a sorority, which led to increased confidence and a sense of belonging. Jen realized that many peers in the sorority share similar body image struggles, which helped her feel less alone and more confident.
[58:53] Jen describes a period of self-discovery and reinvention during and after college, emphasizing the importance of social connections, leadership opportunities, and overcoming social anxiety. Jen met her husband through a persistent colleague, married after a few years of dating, and navigated the challenges of blending families and moving homes. Jen experienced a ‘geriatric pregnancy’ at age 36, lost weight due to focusing on her child’s well-being.
[1:03:27] Jen discusses the significant stress from her father’s pancreatic cancer diagnosis, his death, and a miscarriage, all compounded by the pandemic. Jen talks about reverting to food for comfort and loss, leading to substantial weight gain. Jen sought out supportive doctors, eventually connecting with Dr. Susan Caldwell who recommended the OOTC podcast. Jen credits this as a turning point, leading to self-reflection and engagement with a supportive community.
[1:12:52] Jen emphasizes the necessity of group support, aftercare, and the ongoing connection with others who understand her experience. Lisa and Jen discuss that healing has no finish line, is messy, and requires ongoing acceptance and adaptation. Jen talks about initially resisting group programs but found it essential for connection and healing, noting the value of support from others. Jen encourages listeners to overcome hesitation and invest in their own healing, stating the process is life-changing and worth the investment.
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In this episode, Lisa is joined once again by group coaching alumn, Theresa and together they explore Theresa’s journey of personal growth. They focus on her evolving relationship with food, emotional awareness, and the continuous process of recovery and behavior change.
Topics Include:
Recovery
Emotional Awareness
Behavior Changes
[2:51] Theresa introduces herself as a mother, a wife, a friend, a sister, and all of the things.Theresa reflects on her personal growth since her last podcast appearance in 2023, noting significant changes in her relationship with food and self-awareness. Theresa discusses her struggle with dieting and the illusion of control over food, highlighting her realization of not eating enough calories.
[10:29] Theresa shares her emotional journey regarding her body image, including feelings of sadness and the desire to stabilize her weight. Theresa mentions the concept of addiction transference, emphasizing the importance of not replacing one addiction with another.
[17:10] Theresa expresses feeling brave and vulnerable while sharing personal experiences, emphasizing the importance of not caring about others’ opinions. Lisa discusses skepticism around dieting and the false promise of achieving a goal weight to solve body image issues.
[27:32] Theresa shares personal growth experiences, highlighting changes in mindset and behavior regarding food and self-acceptance. Lisa explains using the relationship with food as a mechanism to learn self-love and reparenting. Theresa describes integrating different parts of oneself and developing self-compassion, leading to less judgment and more conscious choices.
[33:47] Lisa discusses the ongoing nature of recovery, comparing it to the 12-step model, emphasizing that recovery is a continuous process and not a one-time fix. Theresa shares initial resistance to the concept of recovery related to food, but finds comfort in the idea of recovery from codependence, as discussed by Terry Cole.
[51:43] Lisa explains the importance of recognizing emotional eating patterns and learning to sit with discomfort to make different choices.Theresa highlights the value of group support in the recovery process, noting how group questions can help individuals understand their own experiences.
[58:13] Lisa emphasizes the importance of the mind-body connection, particularly in moments of stress or emotional distress and the power of breath awareness to shift from a stress response to a stress relief response. Theresa and Lisa discuss the idea that issues with food are often not about the food itself but about underlying emotional needs and coping mechanisms.
[1:01:32] Lisa mentions that in module 11 of the 14-week group coaching program, highlighting the ongoing nature of personal development and the realization that change is a continuous process. Lisa wraps up by telling Theresa how proud she is of her progress.
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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jasmine Hormati, a registered dietitian and certified intuitive eating counselor, who founded Mendinground Nutrition in NYC. Jasmine shares her insights on a non-diet, weight-inclusive approach to nutrition, focusing on eating disorders and disordered eating. She discusses her journey into the field, the challenges of working in a non-diet space, and the importance of understanding clients’ needs and desires for weight loss.
Topics Include:
Eating Disorders and Recovery
Intuitive Eating
Nutrition Therapy
[1:48] Jasmine Hormati introduces herself as a registered dietitian, certified intuitive eating counselor, and founder of Mendinground Nutrition, focusing on eating disorders and disordered eating with a non-diet approach. Jasmine shares her journey from being pre-dental to discovering her passion for nutrition and intuitive eating, influenced by her upbringing and education in Los Angeles and UC Berkeley.
[8:00] Lisa and Jasmine discuss how intuitive eating and Health at Every Size differ from traditional nutrition education, emphasizing a balanced, non-diet approach to food and body image. Jasmine explains her approach to supporting clients with eating disorders, focusing on food, exercise, and body image, while incorporating emotional and logistical aspects.
[14:33] Lisa and Jasmine cover the pendulum swing from dieting to anti-diet culture and finding a middle ground with intuitive eating, emphasizing flexibility and balance. They unpack how emotional eating is not inherently problematic unless it becomes the primary coping mechanism. They talk about the importance of having a balance of physical and emotional solutions.
[26:37] Lisa and Jasmine dive into how diet culture often disconnects individuals from their body’s cues, leading to mistrust and the need for reconnecting with one’s body is essential for intuitive eating. Jasmine explains that her practice is weight-inclusive, meaning she focuses on health indicators beyond weight, such as blood values and emotional well-being.
[38:00] Lisa and Jasmine discuss how she addresses clients who express a desire to lose weight. They explore the reasons behind this desire and focus on holistic health rather than prescribing weight loss plans. They both emphasize the importance of keeping the client at the center of care, respecting their goals, and not imposing the practitioner’s agenda.
[40:56] Jasmine acknowledges the challenges of working in a non-diet, weight-inclusive space, especially when clients have specific weight loss goals. Lisa and Jasmine discuss the influence of medical professionals and the importance of questioning their authority when it conflicts with personal health goals.
[50:00] Lisa and Jasmine wrap up the discussion with where she can be found online: Website | Instagram.
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In this episode, Lisa and Lara Days discuss the controversial topic of pursuing intentional weight loss during eating disorder recovery. They explore different perspectives, emphasizing the importance of first achieving a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss.
Topics Include:
Eating Disorders and Recovery
Intentional Weight Loss
Fat Phobia
[0:06] Lisa begins this episode by announcing the last day of the early bird special for her May group coaching program and a free seven-day mirror work challenge starting March 31, 2025. She also mentions her upcoming Omega Retreat, Reclaiming Peace With Food, on September 7-12, 2025 for deeper in-person healing work.
[6:43] Lara introduces herself as an intuitive eating counselor, sound healer, yoga instructor, and musician, currently residing in Dallas, TX. Her work is rooted in her core belief that all humans have the right to experience a joyful relationship with food, movement, body, and self.
[8:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the nuances of eating disorder recovery and intentional weight loss. They emphasize the importance of defining recovery and ensuring a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss. Both agree on prioritizing mental and emotional healing over focusing solely on weight loss.
[21:53] Lisa discusses a three-level approach to weight loss, focusing on mental and emotional well-being before addressing physical changes. She emphasizes the importance of self-compassion and healthy habits, noting that weight loss can occur naturally when health is prioritized.
[33:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the societal obsession with aesthetics and the need for a distinction between weight loss for health versus aesthetics. They talk about the importance of addressing quality of life issues, such as pain and mobility, over superficial weight goals. Lisa shares her personal experience with weight loss and the stigma around wanting to lose weight. She stresses the importance of creating a space where people can pursue weight loss for comfort and health without feeling judged or shamed.
[46:00] Lara and Lisa discuss the nuances of fat phobia and weight loss, emphasizing that wanting to feel better physically does not equate to fat phobia. They highlight the need for more nuanced conversations around body image and health.
[53:56] Lara talks about intuitive eating and the importance of understanding body cues. They explore that discomfort often arises from unfamiliarity with one’s body and stress the need to explore the reasons behind this discomfort, such as lifestyle changes or physical limitations.
[1:03:57] Lisa and Lara discuss the ineffectiveness of one-size-fits-all approaches in health and wellness. They criticize the concept of ‘one size fits all’ in clothing and diet plans, emphasizing the need for personalized approaches.
[1:06:37] The conversation touches on cancel culture, with Lisa expressing a desire to cancel it. They discuss the nuances of cancel culture, acknowledging that while it can be justified in some cases, it often lacks understanding and context. Lisa and Lara debate the impact of ‘What I Eat in a Day’ videos. While acknowledging potential harm, they argue for a more nuanced view, suggesting that these videos can be informative if presented with the right intentions and context.
[1:16:57] Lisa and Lara wrap up the discussion with where she can be found on Instagram.
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In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jaime where they explore Jaime’s journey through bullying, emotional eating and alcohol use, and physical pain to her recovery and transformation through the OOTC group coaching and self-acceptance.
Topics Include:
Emotional Eating and Drinking
Emotional Sobriety
Importance of Community Support
[0:06] Lisa begins this episode by announcing the opening of her group coaching program with an early bird discount and a free seven-day mirror work challenge starting March 31, 2025. She also mentions her upcoming Omega Retreat, Reclaiming Peace With Food, on September 7-12, 2025 for deeper in-person healing work.
[6:45] Jaime introduces herself as a lifelong learner, a teacher, an artist, a writer, a creator, and a healer who always wants to learn and better herself then goes out into the world to teach and heal others.
[8:38] Jamie shares her journey of healing from a toxic relationship with food and body image, influenced by her family’s diet culture. She recalls a significant childhood memory of being shamed for her appearance, which impacted her self-worth and eating habits. Lisa emphasizes the importance of not making negative comments about food and body to children and suggests resources for parents to support intuitive eating in their kids.
[13:00] Jaime discusses her struggles with emotional eating and alcohol as coping mechanisms during middle and high school, leading to social anxiety and isolation. Jaime acknowledges awareness of problematic drinking habits from a young age, using alcohol to cope with social anxiety and build confidence.
[23:07] Lisa shares a similar experience with early alcohol use, seeing it as a social activity without awareness of its coping function. Jaime reflects on her self-worth being tied to body image, influenced by bullying and societal pressures during adolescence. Lisa highlights the issue of self-worth being linked to physical appearance, leading to a lifelong cycle of weight loss and gain.
[34:58] Jaime discusses her journey with weight loss and health issues, including sleep apnea and back pain. Despite some improvements, she struggled with back pain, leading her to explore mind-body approaches at Omega retreats. She resonated with the teachings of Nicole Sachs and Lisa, which led to a deeper exploration of journaling and self-discovery.
[43:26] Jaime eventually joined Lisa's program to further her personal growth and connect with others. Jaime discusses overcoming chronic pain and the importance of addressing body image and food relationships as part of her healing journey. She emphasizes the value of community support in her recovery process.
[50:12] Jaime shares her experience in the OOTC group program, noting the benefits of community support and the opportunity to observe personal growth over time. Jaime highlights the importance of learning in a community setting and stepping out of her comfort zone.
[1:01:00] Jaime shares a recent epiphany about her fear of weight loss, linked to receiving comments and judgments from others. She realized that avoiding weight loss was a way to control these interactions. Lisa emphasizes the role of control in weight loss fears, noting that emotional resistance can stem from past experiences and relationships, such as parental expectations.
[1:06:59] Jaime discusses the importance of balance and emotional sobriety, choosing not to use food to cope with emotions. Lisa and Jaime wrap up the discussion by talking about focusing on feeling good and healthy rather than achieving a specific weight goal.
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In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jenny where they explore Jenny’s journey through challenging family dynamics, emotional trauma, and eating disorders, highlighting her transformation and healing through the OOTC group coaching and self-compassion.
Topics Include:
Family Trauma
Eating Disorder
Healing
Self-Compassion and Acceptance
[2:06] Lisa introduces Jenny, a recent graduate of the Out of the Cave program, highlighting her as a success story. Jenny describes herself as being 44 years old, living in Rochester, NY with her two cats, and working in education.
[5:30] Jenny tells Lisa about her childhood, growing up in a household with contrasting parental influences, addiction, and emotional volatility. Jenny explains how family dynamics, including her father’s drinking and strict meal expectations, affected her relationship with food. Lisa discusses the importance of creating a safe and pleasant mealtime environment, referencing the division of responsibility in feeding.
[18:00] Jenny discusses binge eating as a coping mechanism for emotional turmoil and financial instability, starting at age 11. Jenny shares experiences of body shaming and emotional abuse from her father, which contributed to her negative body image and emotional distress.
[23:41] Jenny describes her parents’ struggle with alcohol addiction and the impact of her separation on her emotional well-being. Jenny reveals being sexually abused and subsequently bullied, which intensified her feelings of isolation and led to therapy.
[31:09] Lisa and Jenny discuss the duality of wanting to be both thinner and bigger for safety and acceptance, highlighting the complexity of body image issues. Jenny discusses a long-term struggle with body image, feeling disconnected from her body, and the belief that being in a smaller body would make her lovable.
[40:46] Jenny shares experiences with punishing exercise routines and restrictive diets, believing these would lead to being loved and accepted.
[42:19] Jenny recounts how the COVID-19 pandemic triggered a return to binge eating due to stress and food scarcity fears. Jenny found inspiration and support through social media, leading to a connection with Lisa who provided a new perspective on food and eating.
[58:50] Jenny discusses her struggle with food and body image, realizing it’s about her relationship with herself and safety. She experienced a shift in understanding her inherent worth and self-compassion. Jenny shares her experience in the OOTC group coaching program, highlighting significant personal growth and shifts in perspective, particularly around self-worth and emotional safety.
[1:05:00] Jenny describes learning to binge mindfully, which led to a realization about self-erasure and a subsequent reduction in binging behavior. Jenny talks about gaining the ability to process emotions and make choices, which has been transformative in dealing with life’s challenges.
[1:18:36] Lisa and Jenny end by discussing her personal growth and healing journey, emphasizing the positive impact of the OOTC group coaching program, which helped her with issues related to food and binge eating. Jenny highlights the importance of group support in her healing process, noting the value of being part of a cohort that provides encouragement and shared experiences.
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In this episode, Lisa is joined by Lesley Logan, a pilates instructor, to discuss the transformative impact of pilates on body image, functional fitness, and the mind-body connection. It emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, inclusivity, and the role of pilates in healing trauma and promoting empowerment.
Topics Include:
Mind-Body Connection
Self-Awareness
Functional Fitness
Healing Trauma through Movement
[2:06] Lisa starts this episode by asking Lesley to introduce herself. Lesley shares her first experience with pilates and how she fell in love with it after one class and thought everyone should try it. She discusses how she became an instructor and eventually quit her retail job to teach full-time.
[5:30] Lesley discusses her early experiences with body image, influenced by societal standards and family dieting culture. She highlights the struggle of seeing the body as an ornament and the journey to viewing it as an instrument. Lisa and Lesley discuss the importance of functional fitness for aging well, emphasizing the need for strength and mobility to perform everyday tasks and travel comfortably.
[18:00] Lesley discusses personal experiences with body image issues, health challenges, and the pressure of maintaining a certain appearance in the fitness industry. She emphasizes the importance of focusing on health metrics like vitamin levels rather than weight. Lesley explains how pilates can serve as a moving meditation, helping individuals connect with their bodies and improve mental focus.
[28:05] Lisa relates pilates to healing trauma and overcoming dissociation by strengthening the mind-body connection. Lisa emphasizes the importance of feeling safe in one’s body and how mindful movement can aid in trauma recovery. Lesley shares experiences of bringing diverse groups together through pilates, fostering a sense of community and shared experience, even among people who might not typically interact.
[34:53] Lesley provides guidance for beginners in pilates, suggesting they look for comprehensively trained instructors and be mindful of class types and equipment. Lesley suggests practicing pilates 3-4 times a week, emphasizing that sessions can be as short as 15 minutes.
[45:49] Lisa and Lesley discuss how the primary intention of pilates is to achieve a balance of strength and flexibility, focusing on posture and muscular strength. Lesley explains that it is designed to be a low-impact exercise that is accessible to many people. Lisa and Lesley discuss how pilates helps individuals become the authority on their own bodies, promoting a sense of safety and embodiment. Lesley also discusses how pilates encourages self-care and empowers individuals to take control of their health.
[57:58] Lisa and Lesley conclude this episode by encouraging curiosity and self-kindness in one’s pilates practice, highlighting that self-care is essential for overall well-being. They also discuss how listeners can find Lesley online: Website | Free 4-Week Challenge | Instagram | Facebook
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In part two of this two part episode, Lisa and Rachel continue to look into Rachel’s experiences with eating disorders, chronic pain, and the journey of recovery through therapy and spiritual growth.
Topics Include:
Eating Disorders
Reparenting
Spiritual Growth
Self-Discovery
[2:05] As Lisa and Rachel continue their previous conversation, Rachel shares her experience with an eating disorder, describing the physical and emotional toll it took, her family’s reaction, and the turning point that led her to seek recovery.
[17:31] Rachel reflects on the impact of her eating disorder on social relationships, noting isolation and fear of social situations due to food-related anxiety. Rachel and Lisa discuss the ongoing struggle and the complexity of recovery, and the importance of social health in recovery.
[22:53] Rachel discusses her chronic hip pain, initially thought to be physical, but later understood as linked to unprocessed emotions. Rachel discusses with Lisa that a physiotherapist suggested the pain was protective, leading to her realization that emotions were manifesting physically.
[26:00] Rachel describes her journey of self-discovery through therapy and podcasts, finding solace in stories similar to her own. Rachel and Lisa emphasize the importance of understanding the emotional roots of her pain and the transformative impact of this realization.
[29:38] Rachel shares her transformative experience in the OOTC group program, highlighting the life-changing insights gained about food, body image, and self-reliance. Lisa and Rachel discuss the concept of reparenting oneself and the empowerment it brings.
[43:32] Rachel shares her journey of moving from living in her head to being more connected with her body, highlighting the challenges and importance of this shift. Rachel describes how the course has been life-changing, helping them to stop obsessing over food and become more spiritually aware, despite initial skepticism.
[51:35] Lisa and Rachel conclude this episode with a discussion of the transformative power of the course, with Rachel acknowledging a newfound acceptance of spiritual concepts and no longer constantly thinking about food. Rachel strongly recommends the course, suggesting it should be a mandatory experience due to its profound impact on personal development.
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In part one of this two part episode, Lisa is joined by group coaching graduate, Rachel, a journalist from Australia. Together they explore the profound impact of her childhood experiences, societal pressures, and family dynamics on her body image and eating disorder.
Topics Include:
Societal Pressure
Body Image
Eating Disorders
[2:57] Lisa asks Rachel to introduce herself. Rachel introduces herself as a journalist living in Melbourne, Australia, originally from New Zealand, Rachel introduces herself as a journalist living in Melbourne, Australia, originally from New Zealand, who recently moved.
[4:23] Rachel discusses with Lisa how she remembers her mother would not join family meals due to lifelong dieting, which influenced her perception of food and family dynamics. Rachel shares how she would eat anything to please adults, associating adult foods with maturity and acceptance.
[13:47] Rachel describes becoming aware of other people’s body image issues around age 11, influenced by societal and familial attitudes towards weight and dieting. As well as learning about dieting from peers and their families, marking a shift in her awareness of body image and food. Rachel discusses how her sister’s weight loss journey and her mother’s support highlighted the importance of weight control in her family.
[22:22] Rachel shares with Lisa experiences with a surrogate grandmother who was very vocal about body shaming, which influenced their awareness of body image and judgment from a young age. Rachel describes using intelligence and academic success as a coping mechanism to avoid judgment and rejection in high school. Lisa and Rachel discuss how they both avoided engaging with body image issues in high school, using denial and focusing on academics as a way to cope with potential judgment.
[40:07] Rachel shares the impact of her parents’ divorce announcement at age 15, the move to Australia, and the feeling of needing to be the adult in the situation. Rachel talks about her strong attachment to her mother, feeling safe only when she was present, and the impact of her absence after moving to Australia. She recounts the abusive behavior of her stepfather, the pressure to please him, and the impact on the family dynamics.
[1:00:52] Rachel explains to Lisa how the need to please her stepfather and control her environment led to the development of an eating disorder. Rachel discusses the pressure to maintain weight loss after being noticed by others, leading to a cycle of excessive exercise and restricted eating as a form of control and security.
[1:06:39] Lisa and Rachel end part one of this episode by sharing personal experiences of how eating disorders provided a sense of control amidst chaos, comparing it to addiction, and the disconnect from physical sensations like hunger. They highlight the common misconception that people with eating disorders are aware of their physical state, explaining the mental disassociation from their bodies.
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In this episode, Lisa welcomes Laura to share her inspiring journey of healing her relationship with food and body image. Together, they delve into Laura’s transformative path toward mindful eating and reconnecting with her body.
Topics Include:
Body Image
Food Rules
Emotional Healing
[1:24] Lisa introduces Laura, a graduate of the Out of the Cave program, who is excited to share her journey. Laura introduces herself, mentioning her work as a virtual academic advisor and her love for podcasts, movies, and live music.
[9:31] Laura shares with Lisa the strict food rules from ages six to ten, influenced by her mother’s emphasis on health, such as having half the plate filled with vegetables and limited dessert portions. Laura discusses how she felt the rules around food were just another set of rules to follow in an already unstable childhood environment, leading to a sense of rebellion and desire for control.
[15:05] Lisa and Laura discuss how gaining independence around age 14-15 allowed her to make her own food choices, which felt liberating and rebellious against the food restrictions. Laura reflects on her weight gain in high school, which was noticed and commented on by her mother, leading to a need to hide eating habits.
[25:40] Laura discusses that she aware of her weight gain and had mixed feelings about it, balancing a ‘fuck it’ attitude with a desire for social acceptance and attention. Laura discusses her tumultuous college experience, including transferring schools, dealing with depression, and using food as a coping mechanism.
[42:30] Laura describes how food became a source of control and comfort during uncertain times, such as college and the pandemic. Lisa and Laura discuss the emotional relationship with food and how it was intertwined with her life experiences. They talk about the transition to adulthood, focusing on the lack of guidance in managing responsibilities like food and money. They reflect on the challenges of becoming self-sufficient.
[51:07] Laura talks about her emotional state during various life stages, including college, early adulthood, and the pandemic. Lisa and Laura discuss how her mental health was affected by life not going as planned. Laura discusses experiencing anxiety during a heavy conversation before a retreat, leading to an emotional breakthrough allowing her to verbalize long-held feelings about her body and food. Laura joins Lisa’s group coaching program that helps her understand the science behind her behaviors and emotions.
[57:41] Through the OOTC program, Laura learns about the concept of emotional safety, realizing how her brain perceives safety and how it affects her choices around food and movement. Lisa and Laura discuss how the program helped her find a balance between emotional exploration and scientific understanding, leading to personal growth. Laura describes a shift in her relationship with food and movement, moving from fear to empowerment. She shares a significant moment of walking a boardwalk, realizing her capability and safety.
[1:07:39] Laura discusses learning to regulate eating habits, understanding hunger cues, and making healthier food choices without strict dieting. Lisa emphasizes the importance of mindful eating, allowing full permission to choose foods without restriction, and making intentional choices. Lisa acknowledges Laura's weight loss as a byproduct of mindful eating and body connection, without focusing on scales or tracking.
[1:21:00] As the episode closes, Laura reflects on personal growth, clarity, and understanding of being human, with a focus on slowing down and being present. She also expresses her gratitude to Lisa for all the program has done for her.
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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
Lisa is joined by Manya Ronay, a Level 3 Internal Family Systems (IFS) practitioner, Certified Health Education Specialist (CHES®), and Food Addiction Recovery Advocate (FARA) living in Israel. She works at the intersection of physical health and emotional health, specializing in IFS for eating and mind-body healing. The interview explores the impact of ultra-processed foods on health, the complexities of food addiction versus intuitive eating, and critiques mainstream eating disorder treatments. It emphasizes holistic approaches, including IFS, for healing and empowerment.
Topics Include:
Diet Culture
Anti-Diet Culture
Food Addictions
Eating Disorders
IFS
[0:36] Lisa describes how she connected with Manya through Instagram, feeling a rare connection with someone like-minded. Manya shares that living in Israel during a war affects her nervous system, causing a shutdown stage, but she feels happy to be part of the podcast. She discusses her journey from conventional medicine to holistic practices after being diagnosed with POTS, leading her to explore food and lifestyle changes.
[4:29] Manya explains the concept of ultra-processed foods using the NOVA classification, highlighting their hyper-palatable nature and health impacts. Manya describes her transition to using IFS in her practice, finding it a perfect model for understanding internal and external dynamics in nutrition.
[10:11] Manya discusses how changing her diet helped alleviate severe gastrointestinal symptoms and was a step towards overall healing, including acupuncture and mind-body healing. Manya explains the negative health impacts of ultra-processed foods, linking them to chronic diseases and shorter lifespans, and highlights the high percentage of such foods in typical diets. Manya references Dr. Chris Palmer’s work linking ultra-processed foods to mental health issues by affecting mitochondria and energy production in cells.
[16:59] Manya shares insights from working with a food addiction recovery group, noting that ultra-processed foods can be addictive, similar to substances like alcohol. Lisa examines intuitive eating, suggesting it works for those affected by diet culture but not for those using food to cope with trauma, as it doesn’t address underlying emotional issues.
[33:01] Lisa discusses mainstream eating disorder treatment for being dismissive and leading to high relapse rates. Manya agrees, noting that both eating disorder and food addiction treatments often involve ignoring or fighting internal voices, which can be harmful. Lisa explains the challenges of balancing intuitive eating with health priorities, highlighting a client’s struggle with internal polarization between eating freely and prioritizing health.
[34:29] Lisa and Manya discuss using IFS to address eating issues by acknowledging and listening to different internal voices, promoting a holistic and non-judgmental approach to healing. Manya emphasizes the importance of empowerment and choice in healing, suggesting that feeling in control and having options can contribute significantly to recovery.
[40:52] Manya shares the IFS eating triangle and how it can go in multiple directions, and the bi-directional arrows represent different experiences of individuals. The roles of firefighters and managers in IFS are not always clear-cut. Eating can be a manager role if it is preemptive, showing the model’s imperfections. Intuitive eating and food addiction can be mapped on the same triangle, with intuitive eating going counterclockwise and food addiction clockwise.
[1:06:00] Manya draws parallels between mind-body practices and intuitive eating, highlighting how both can ignore the biological effects of food. They emphasize the importance of understanding how food affects the body beyond just emotional or psychological aspects.
[1:07:39] Lisa reflects on the pendulum swing between diet culture and anti-diet culture, advocating for a balanced approach that considers both intuitive eating and nutritional health. Manya emphasizes that healing and taking care of one’s body is a lifelong journey, not a quick fix. They discuss the importance of continuously attending to one’s health and well-being.
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Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
Lisa is joined by Cynthia Santiago-Borbón, a multi-faceted healer, as she discusses healing, personal growth, and the intersection with social change. It emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, societal detachment, and the impact of personal healing on broader social systems.
Topics Include:
Holistic Healing
Personal Growth
Disordered Eating
Societal Change
[1:20] Lisa shares the story of how she met Cynthia, through her ex-client, then highlights the serendipitous and magical nature of their meeting, which led to Cynthia teaching at Lisa’s retreat. Cynthia describes herself as a multi-faceted healer, residing between New York City and Puerto Rico. She focuses on the intersection of self-development, spirituality, and social change, working primarily with other healers.
[10:20] Cynthia shares how her experience growing up in a home with domestic violence influenced her career path, driving her to advocate for justice and safety for others. Cynthia and Lisa discuss her journey from working with women fleeing domestic violence to becoming a therapist and coach, emphasizing her desire to create inclusive environments for healing.
[15:30] Cynthia shares her journey from childhood spirituality to disillusionment with organized religion, and eventually finding a personal spiritual path that includes healing and self-discovery. She emphasizes the importance of continuous personal healing and growth. Cynthia shares her struggle with body image and societal standards, and how she began to challenge negative thoughts and beliefs about her body. She talks about finding what is right about oneself and avoiding comparisons with others.
[26:00] Cynthia discusses the importance of the mind-body-spirit connection in personal healing and growth. She describes how she worked on these aspects simultaneously to improve her self-acceptance and happiness. Cynthia discusses the challenge of societal comparison and emphasizes the importance of recognizing one’s unique path and character, independent of societal norms.
[35:40] Lisa introduces a framework of awareness, acceptance, and aligned action as a process for personal growth and breaking free from dissatisfaction. Cynthia shares personal experiences with body image issues, societal standards, and overcoming an eating disorder by rejecting societal control mechanisms.
[39:29] Cynthia attributes personal growth and healing to spiritual and ancestral guidance, emphasizing the importance of connecting with one’s roots and inner wisdom. Lisa and Cynthia discuss the importance of commitment in overcoming personal challenges, highlighting that recovery is a continuous process requiring dedication. Cynthia talks about how personal healing contributes to social change by making individuals more compassionate and effective in her interactions with others.
[58:52] Lisa and Cynthia emphasize the importance of making conscious choices rather than operating on autopilot. She discusses how choosing actions that align with one’s well-being can lead to self-love and commitment to oneself. Lisa and Cynthia discuss the impact of social systems, colonization, and privilege on individuals. They explore the challenge of operating within these systems while striving for personal freedom and not letting them define one’s value.
[1:04:17] Cynthia shares her frustration with systemic racism and the dehumanization of Black men. She stresses the importance of recognizing humanity in everyone and not allowing oppressive systems to dictate personal worth. Cynthia emphasizes that personal healing and social change are interconnected. She calls for healers to challenge social paradigms that diminish humanity and emphasize the need for collective liberation. Lisa and Cynthia discuss the importance of recognizing and challenging internalized biases, such as racism and fatphobia, to foster genuine human connections beyond societal categories.
[1:20:28] Lisa and Cynthia close out with how Cynthia can be found on social media and her website: Cynthia’s Instagram | Facebook | Website
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