Hello and welcome back to The Only Way is Ethics, the podcast that explores the people, principles, and purpose behind digital health. I’m your host, Dean Mawson — Clinical Safety Officer and founder of DPM Digital Health — and I’m really pleased to be bringing you this episode.Today I’m joined by Sascha Mullen, Chief Nursing Information Officer at Frimley Health. Sascha recently passed the 200-day mark in his CNIO role, and in that time, he’s moved from a place of open-ended curiosity to real clarity about what the role demands — and what’s possible when digital nursing leadership is rooted in empathy, purpose, and teamwork.In our conversation, Sascha shares how he intentionally stayed close to the frontline, spending time with clinical and operational teams to understand their frustrations, challenges, and hopes for how technology can support care. He reflects on the importance of the CNIO as a connector — someone who translates between the clinical, digital, and operational worlds — and why that role can only succeed through listening, trust-building, and humility.We talk about the culture at Frimley and how a shared “can-do” mindset has helped shift long-stuck projects forward. Sascha also discusses his work to embed digital clinical safety in a way that feels meaningful, not mechanical, and why he’s proud of launching the Trust’s Digital Ambassador Network — a peer-led initiative to support digitally confident clinicians at every level.This is a brilliant episode for anyone navigating digital transformation in healthcare — whether you’re new to leadership or working to re-energise long-term change efforts. Sascha’s grounded, thoughtful approach is a reminder that quiet leadership and clarity of purpose can go a long way in this space.This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be considered legal health advice.We are not responsible for any losses, damages, or liabilities that may arise from the use of this podcast.This podcast is not intended to replace professional medical advice.The views expressed in this podcast may not be those of the host or the management.