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The Non-Billable Podcast
Non-Billable
29 episodes
5 days ago
The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm with in-house experience at an investment bank - now asking the questions he wished he had when he was practising. Brought to you by Non-Billable, the go-to newsletter for City lawyers, in-house counsel, and legal professionals.
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The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm with in-house experience at an investment bank - now asking the questions he wished he had when he was practising. Brought to you by Non-Billable, the go-to newsletter for City lawyers, in-house counsel, and legal professionals.
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Why Hogan Lovells built a 100-person legal tech company: Sebastian Lach on what clients actually want from AI
The Non-Billable Podcast
38 minutes 31 seconds
1 month ago
Why Hogan Lovells built a 100-person legal tech company: Sebastian Lach on what clients actually want from AI

Hogan Lovells might not be the first name that comes up in conversations about legal AI, but maybe it should. The firm quietly spun up ELTEMATE, a 100-person legal tech subsidiary, to build tools for clients that go beyond hype and deliver real efficiency gains. At the helm is Sebastian Lach, a Hogan Lovells partner who also leads ELTEMATE.

In this episode, Sebastian talks about how ELTEMATE started with just three people around a table in 2019 and has since scaled into a global team creating client-facing technology. Funded entirely in-house, it now builds everything from AI-driven investigation tools to domain-specific tools tailored to compliance and litigation.

We also dig into Sebastian’s views on legal AI more broadly. He’s sceptical about so-called “Swiss Army knife” platforms and argues that the real value lies in specialist, vertical tools trained on the right data and guided by lawyers who know what good looks like. “Lawyers don’t want 60% answers”, he argues. “They want a tool that gives them the right result at the push of a button.”

It’s a conversation about what happens when a Big Law firm takes tech seriously - balancing risk and innovation - and what clients are really asking for when they demand AI.

Chapters

00:01 Introduction

00:50 Sebastian’s Background

02:07 Transitioning from Law to Legal Tech

04:00 Exploring White Collar Crime Law

07:25 The Birth of ELTEMATE

10:34 Funding and Business Model of ELTEMATE

11:39 ELTEMATE's Growth and Structure

13:12 ELTEMATE's Product Suite and Strategy

18:23 The Importance of Domain-Specific Solutions

20:48 Data as a Core Differentiator

24:28 The Future of Legal Tech and Client Needs

28:30 The Vision for ELTEMATE

31:16 Lessons Learned in Legal Tech Innovation

34:48 Concerns About AI in Legal Practice

35:51 Skills for the Future Lawyer

38:02 The Future of the Billable Hour

About Non-Billable

Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals across private practice, in-house and legal tech.

Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

The Non-Billable Podcast
The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm with in-house experience at an investment bank - now asking the questions he wished he had when he was practising. Brought to you by Non-Billable, the go-to newsletter for City lawyers, in-house counsel, and legal professionals.