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The Non-Billable Podcast
Non-Billable
29 episodes
6 days ago
The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm with in-house experience at an investment bank - now asking the questions he wished he had when he was practising. Brought to you by Non-Billable, the go-to newsletter for City lawyers, in-house counsel, and legal professionals.
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The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm with in-house experience at an investment bank - now asking the questions he wished he had when he was practising. Brought to you by Non-Billable, the go-to newsletter for City lawyers, in-house counsel, and legal professionals.
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Inside Addleshaw Goddard’s legal tech strategy: innovation head Kerry Westland on managing a 70-person team, the explosive rise of AG’s internal AI tool, and what the future of law looks like
The Non-Billable Podcast
52 minutes 17 seconds
6 months ago
Inside Addleshaw Goddard’s legal tech strategy: innovation head Kerry Westland on managing a 70-person team, the explosive rise of AG’s internal AI tool, and what the future of law looks like

Kerry Westland leads one of the most ambitious innovation functions of any major law firm - a 70-person team at Addleshaw Goddard dedicated to transforming how legal services are delivered (with and without tech).

In this episode, Kerry shares her journey from paralegal to head of innovation, and how AG has built out a tech strategy that blends vendor tools with homegrown solutions - including AGPT, the firm’s in-house AI assistant that’s now used across the business.

We talk through the evolution of AG’s legal tech stack, how the firm approaches ROI, the rise of GenAI, and the practical challenges of implementing new tools in a legacy profession. Kerry also reflects on what the future of the law firm might look like - and why she doesn’t believe in the “end of the people pyramid.”

From document automation to internal product development, from pricing models to practice group engagement, this is a look at how one of the UK’s top firms is operationalising innovation at scale.

Chapters

00:35 The Evolution of Legal Innovation

03:21 Defining Innovation in Law Firms

06:39 Day-to-Day Responsibilities of an Innovation Leader

09:26 Balancing Technology and Process in Legal Work

12:43 Addleshaw Goddard's Tech Stack Overview

15:30 Managing Technology Demands Across Practice Areas

18:33 Impact of Internal Tools on Legal Work

21:31 Adoption and Use Cases of AGPT

24:26 Cost Considerations in Legal Technology

27:19 Evaluating ROI on Legal Technology

30:17 Impact on Billable Hour Model

32:55 Productising Legal Technology

35:04 Disruption from AI in Legal Services

38:53 The Future of Junior Lawyers

40:38 Envisioning the Law Firm of 2035

44:11 Exciting Innovations in Legal Tech

48:46 Career Advice for Junior Lawyers

50:08 Overcoming Risk to Foster Innovation

51:32 Influential Reads in Legal Thinking

About Non-Billable

Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals, brought to you by a small team of former City lawyers and finance professionals.

Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

The Non-Billable Podcast
The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm with in-house experience at an investment bank - now asking the questions he wished he had when he was practising. Brought to you by Non-Billable, the go-to newsletter for City lawyers, in-house counsel, and legal professionals.