In this episode, our guest is Cami Thelander who is a passionate grief coach whose mission is to provide “embodied grief support” for those who are grieving. Cami experience deep loss at a young age.
Her story is profound yet not uncommon – her grief accumulated over the years until she had the deep realization that she was holding her grief within her body. Her journey brought her to where she is today – an advanced certified grief coach who incorporates feeling into the grief physically in addition to emotionally.
Cami Thelander is a Bachelor of Science, Advanced Certified Grief Coach, Certified Yoga Instructor, Death Doula, and Craniosacral Therapy Practitioner dedicated to holding space for grief and loss. She has created a unique approach to grief that she calls Embodied Grief Support, which combines Grief Coaching, Craniosacral Therapy, and mindfulness practices for a body-centered, whole-person approach to healing from loss.
Grief activates the body stress response and can cause a variety of physical symptoms including fatigue, brain fog, body aches and pains, and compromises the immune system. Embodied Grief Support addresses the physical and emotional impacts of stress, provides a safe space to process grief, and offers techniques to self- regulate the nervous system to cope with waves of grief.
Cami also offers virtual Grief Coaching sessions and online yoga classes for accessible grief support. You can learn more about Cami and her offerings at www.bearfootyogi.com, or you can reach her by email: cami@bearfootyogi.com or phone: (651) 322-0300.
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Hi.There. I am really excited to have my next guest. She actually is a colleague. I'm working with me and the rest of us at the International Academy for Grief, Tammy Thelander. Iwant to welcome Cammy. I just want to let everybody know a little bit about you before we dive right in and have a great conversation about all things grief.
Yay. I always love to talk. About grief. Thanks, Friend.
Don't we? We're those people. Yeah. Cammi has her Bachelor's of Science. She is a certified grief coach. She's actually an advanced certified grief coach, a certified yoga instructor. She is a death doula and a cranial sacral therapy practitioner. So she's really well-rounded when it comes to all things, body, emotions, connecting, all of that. And she is dedicated to holding the space for grief and loss. She has created a unique approach to grief that she calls, I love this, Embodied Grief Support, which combines grief coaching, her cranial sacral therapy, and mindfulness practices for a body-centered, whole-person approach to healing from loss. Grief activates the body's stress response and can cause a variety of physical symptoms, including fatigue, brain fog. I mean, all of us have experienced some grief. We've had this. Body aches and pains and compromises the immune system. Tammy's embodied grief support addresses the physical and the emotional aspects of stress, provides a safe space to process grief, and offers techniques to help self-regulate the nervous system in order to cope with waves of grief. She offers virtual grief coaching sessions and online yoga classes for accessible grief support in addition to people that are local to her. She lives in Minnesota with some of her other cranial sacral therapy, and someday I'm going to have you be doing that for me. I'll have Cammi's information in our show notes, but right now we're just going to dive in and have a great conversation. Okay, so welcome again.
Thank you. Yeah, it was just like taking all that in from the introduction was honestly really cool. I don't often hear other people introducing me like that, and just to really let it sink in like, This is what I do. I can make out the world. I had a little proud moment for myself there. Actually doing the grief work feels really proud.
Well, and it just sit in that accomplishment. When we have gone through it... And, Cammi, are you going to talk a little bit about the certification programs. But one of the things, how we start in the certification programs is we start doing a little breathe exercise because the coaching model is the breathe coaching model for grief. But then we go around the room and say, who will you today? Who are you? Not what you did, but who are you? And it's so cool when you can just sit in that and just go, wow, I'm doing good. I've got some great stuff going on inside of me and who I be. Well, thank you for being here. I guess my first question to you is you've done so much and the Death doula and the cranial sacral and all of that type of thing. What's your why? Why did you start really diving into all of this?
Well, I think all of these things found me. As I just kept going with my life in my own grief, I was seeking my own healing and stumbled upon all of these different modalities that I didn't even know were helping me in my grief. I started with essential oils, and that was really connecting with plants and allowing the healing medicine of plants to help calm me down from when I would have a big grief wave and not know how to handle it. It was like all of a sudden I just started finding all of these things that were supportive for me. So it just expanded into these modalities and cranial psychotherapy being the biggest one that was the most transformational for at my point in my life when I found cranial psychotherapy and I literally stumbled into it. And then from there, I just kept finding things that felt more and more aligned. I was in school for cranial psychotherapy, and a student there had told me that she was going to be starting a death doula training. That was the first time that I heard about that. I was like, Are you serious? That's a job? You can get paid to be with people while they die? Yes, please. I want to be that person. It just kept unfolding. That's how I found you and the Grief Coach School as well was just these happenstances that just me being open and receptive to what was next for me led me to all of these different things that would support me in my journey and then, of course, be supportive for other people as well once I got the hang of it.
Wow, that's amazing. And it is. I think that people will say to me, Well, that's got to be really hard. And why do you do what you do? And it's like, I didn't choose to be working in grief. Grief chose me from the time that I was a little girl. So if you're willing to just share, when did you really step into that world of grief? How old are you? And what were the circumstances of that?
Yeah, my grief started from a young age. I feel like I grew up on grief in some levels. My parents had a rocky relationship that I witnessed at home with them growing up, and they divorced when I was nine. There was just some conflict and separation that was happening in the household. And around that time as well, we lost our home before closure. Right away, there were some non-death losses and grief that I was experiencing just within the household. Not long after my parents divorced, my dad was diagnosed with ALS. Then I was 10 years old and spent the next year watching my dad slowly die. The disease actually progressed pretty quickly. Als can draw out for many years, but his was just about a year long. I was with him, seeing him on weekends, going to his house on weekends before he was too sick to be in hospice. I watched the disease slowly take him. That was really hard being 11. I was with him bedside when he passed as well. I remember that day being so chaotic. It was just like there was no communication as far as how this transition should go.
It was super rushed. I remember being very confused, being 11 years old, like what's happening? All of a sudden, I'm here now and walked into the room. It was literally as soon as we got there, he was hanging on for us. It was like, as soon as we got there, he was gone. That just felt crazy, chaotic, and hard to process being 11. Later, I realized that there was a lot of the confusion of it was because the adults were trying to protect me being a kid and were not sharing a lot of information with me about what was happening in that created conflict with processing my grief during that time. And then while all of that was happening, my mom met her boyfriend at the time, and eventually they got married. I had this new family that I was being opened up to while my dad was sick and dying. So that was interesting to have a whole new family and a new father figure to support me through all of this. I really did open up to him. His name was Greg, and my mom married him knowing that he had prostate cancer.
A good portion of my time with him was spent just knowing with this fear in the back of my head that this person could very much be another temporary father figure in my life. Although I opened up to him and embraced him as my new dad or this role of a dad in my life, I only had about seven years with him. He ended up passing from prostate cancer. I was 15 years old. He was at home. His death, compared to my dad's death—I was there at bedside with him too—was totally different. He had the good death that you could say of surrounded by family. They had the communication ahead of time as far as how he wanted it to go, what prayers to be read, what songs to be played, all of that good stuff. I saw a contrast with the dying process with both of my dads. That's partially what made me so interested in being a death doula, is being there for that process. I was 15 years old and had just gone through all that and really just wanted to be a kid. I didn't want to be thinking about this a stuff, but my role had been upgraded now to the oldest daughter.
I was taking care of my sister who was younger and cleaning the house, grocery shopping, doing stuff like that because my mom had just lost her husband. She was destroyed. We were all destroyed. I just picked up that responsibility. I just did what I needed to do and focused on school and went to college eventually. Next thing I know, I'm in college and I'm struggling with all kinds of issues like depression and anxiety and panic attacks. I developed an eating disorder. I had a lot of other physical symptoms that were happening in my body. I realized that all of these symptoms were because I was running away from my grief. I had no idea how to process that. It was like, right after Greg died, I just jumped into this sense of responsibility and doing, doing, doing, action, go, go, go. Just need to get through school, just need to get to college. Then when I finally got to college, I was like, Whoa, removed from the house and in a new city. I had moved away and went to college. I just started really realizing what just happened. I just felt like my life just sped through since I was nine, really all the way up to being 18 or 19 going to college.
That's really when I started to realize that I needed to figure out how to deal with grief. But I had no idea where to start. I saw my school counselor. There was a counselor there that you could go to for free. I started seeing her and eventually got on some medications to help with the anxiety and the depression. And things were not getting better. If anything, things were getting worse because I was still living all of these tendencies and habits that I had developed in order to keep me away from actually going deep into what I needed to face, which was, of course, the pain of my grief and all the losses that I had just experienced. So it took me a few more years after that until I really, I would say, hit my rock bottom with just physically and mentally feeling so ill and just getting worse and worse. I remember deciding that I needed to do something about my stress and went to a yoga class. I was in this yoga class and I was laying in Shivassana at the end of class, and I was balling my eyes out. I was like, Holy crap.
All of a sudden, my body just took that little piece of rest and just started dumping out all these things that I had been shoving in there for so long.
That's tsunami of grief, right? Yes.
Wow. Yeah, it just flooded over me and started to move. I realized, Wow, I got to do more of this because that was intense. I feel better. I feel better after crying and moving and breathing and connecting with myself and feeling all the things that I had been running away from. So that's really I remember that moment was like, okay, I'm going to start exploring more of this. And that just snowballed into supplements and herbs to help with anxiety and depression, essential oils, and that eventually just snowballed into energy medicine and food as medicine and body work and yoga. So that was all happening while I was in college studying biology and playing outside.
Wow. And it was just like, Well, that was an epiphany moment. It's like all of a sudden you realize your body just finally said to you, Enough is enough. We need to really deal with this. And oftentimes it takes that a moment of, Now what do I do? And you actually had the wisdom to say, okay, I need to explore. I need to explore what are all these different things so that you can touch your body and that's the whole embodiment, right? We try to show that the emotions, and if you go back to ancient Chinese philosophy and the Five elements, which goes back thousands and thousands and thousands of years, they learned that how emotions really impact our physical bodies. The worrying, the stress, taking over, like misresponsibility as a kid.
Yeah.
I need to be responsible. I got to clean the house. I got to help raise my little sister. I've got to take care of mom and protect mom. All of those things go right into the gut issues and all of that. The grief into the lungs and all of that type of thing. So all of these things just really start showing up. And so eating disorder is not uncommon.
Yeah.
Now depression, that's where the grief depression all settles in our lung energy. And so once we can start releasing that and unblocking those energy areas through healthy ways of dealing with it, movement, breathing, meditation, all of that. It's just like things shift so dramatically.
Yeah, absolutely. Luckily, I had had a background learning about holistic healthcare because when Greg was sick with prostate cancer, we explored a lot of those healing modalities for him. I had been introduced to a lot of those things from a young age, so it was natural for me to want to explore those things because I knew from that, from the symptoms in my body that there was something else internally that needed to be put into balance again. But I had assumed that it was like, Oh, well, maybe it's my food, maybe it's an allergy, maybe it's all of these things that were outside of myself. I was still focusing externally, trying to find a solution because I was still not ready to go inward until finally I was ready. And I was like, Okay, here we go. Let's dive deep. Let's go in. And then all of those things were especially supportive, but they weren't effective unless I started that inward journey. And that's the piece that's the hard part that none of us really know where to start with because it's just...Yeah.It's a world of fear that we're stepping into with facing our grief and all the pain that we're holding on to.
Well, and if you look at your story, I mean, you think about the layering and layering and layering upon layers of various grief. So it's the death of, well, it's watching someone... The anticipatory grief of a chronic illness, but wasn't so chronic because your dad's was very fast. Then the loss of the safety of a home, that's a big grief when all of a sudden that's gone. Then you get into another relationship where you really are connecting. Then another physical loss, again, anticipatory grief on top of that. Your mom's got layered grief, grieving for you girls, you're grieving for your mom, seeing how devastating this was for her. You're grieving for your sister. We almost forget about our own grief because we're so busy taking care of everybody else and wanting to fix it and make it that way. So all of that, and then going away and then just getting away from the safety of family. There's an intentional abandonment there, but there's so much abandonment that you've experienced, too, that wasn't like you're being thrown away, but it was like, all of a sudden, these people are not in your lives or this situation is not in your life anymore.
And abandonment, to me, is a huge piece of a grief journey, and we have to do some really deep work to get our arms around that and then get to a point where we can reframe it into a way that palatable that we can live with.
Right. And slowing down enough to recognize that those things are coming up too. Like even just talking about abandonment, I noticed a lot of those challenges coming up in relationship with men later in my life. It's like if I wasn't aware of that deep belief from my inner child about this feeling of being abandoned, I was not aware of that for many years, and it caused so many issues for me. Even now it's coming up again with grief in this holiday season with my partner now. It's like, I'm calling it out and I'm holding it, and I'm cradling it and I'm giving space for these feelings. And by growing that awareness is allowing me to reframe that belief and to keep healing that inner child wound that does still feel abandoned on the inside.
Because the grief never goes away. Right. Part of in the course that we do in the Confident Grief Coach is we lean into Mary Francis O'Connor's work, The Grieving Brain. And I love how she talks about this is grief will always be here within us. The grief doesn't go away because it's a loss. But the way that we're grieving the action, the is what really changes over time. And the more resilient we get, or sometimes it actually escalates a little bit more because the more layering or something's going to trip us up, like the abandonment, like you said. And so then that's where how are we dealing with those pieces? So yeah, amazing. So part of what we wanted to talk about today is the Confident Grief Coach school and creating some awareness. Tammy is actually full disclosure, is working with me and a couple of others who I lean into as the leadership of the International Academy for Grief and to help really support me in ways that we don't have all the skills of everything. And so she really is our engagement leader. She's the queen of engagement. She is so honest and embracing. You've started a Facebook group for grievers, and that is. Called what?
The Embodied Grief Support Group.
Yeah. And so you grew that in a very short period of time. I think I just saw there was... You have quite a few members now in a very short period of time.
Yeah, I think I started it just this summer, so three or four months ago, and I think we just reached 850-ish members. So there is a need.
There is a need, right. Yeah. And so Cammi is getting out there and sharing some of her wisdom and that type of thing and creating a space for people who are grieving. And she's also working with our team to help create a space because we want to encourage and invite people who are helping the grievers to have a safe space to come together to collaborate to support one another. Because holding the space of grief for other people, we do it, and it's not like we carry it around because we've learned tools of not carrying around other people's grief, but it still is you need to be healthy and keeping ourselves together. And also we may have clients that we might be questioning or struggling like something's just not working here. And so this would be an opportunity for people to connect it and just be in community. That's really what it is. That's Cammi's initiatives. Her own grief coaching practice where she has done beautifully, and then also helping me to stand up through the International Academy for Grief that we actually have a community for the people who are the grief supporters and the providers of services.
Yeah, I was just going to compliment that because I think it's so awesome that we're here creating the space for, for one, encouraging more grief support providers to go out into the world by, of course, your training grief coaches to go out and support the grievers because we need more of that. But then also to have this mastermind and to have these resources and this community and this nourishment for the people that are supporting others in their grief is just like so special to me because, of course, we know being our own entrepreneurs and business owners and all those things, it's tough. It's really tough doing this in the world and the fact that it's grief-related and oftentimes there's heavy emotions and traumas that come up. We need to lean on other people. This just feels like such the perfect environment to have that safe space to make sure that the work that we're doing is in our honest, authentic alignment of supporting people in the best of our ability. And in order to do that, we really do need a mastermind in the community for us holding that space. I'm just excited that this is growing.
Me too. I'm so excited. 2024 is just like... We've just started working on some of this. We're in the infancy stages of it, but we know that in 2024, it's just going to get stronger and stronger. So you went through the Confident Grief Coach. I don't even know when you graduated from that. It's been a while. And then took some time, and then you decided, I want to raise my hand to go into the advanced grief coaching program that we have, which we just stood up last year to really help people so that they want to be certified through the International Coaching Federation. So you were in our first class. And I remember watching... There was five of you in that first class and having known all of you very well from being in the Confident Grief Coach because we spent a lot of time in community there, in our practicums every week, getting to know each other, a lot of coaching between the students, that type of thing. But there was such an amazing energy, up-leveling. And so what made you decide that, you know what? I want to up-level even more. I want to take that on.
I think for me, after going through the grief program, I was very certain that this is my calling and this is what I needed to do. And of course, all of my other pieces of my background, everything was just coming together. So I knew that this was like, I needed to be the best that I could possibly be as far as a grief coach. I remember starting the Confident Grief Coach program, and it was the first or second session or something, and you had asked me to coach you. I was like, Are you serious? I don't know how to do any of this. I was just so nervous and freaking out a little bit. I remember graduating from that feeling a little bit more confident of like, Okay, well, I feel like I can do this now. But I still was not like... I knew that I had a lot of growth ahead of me still as far as being the best that I could possibly be, because I really want to make sure... Of course, it's such a sensitive topic supporting people in grief. I wanted to make sure that I'm doing it to the best of my ability.
That was really like when you had offered that the advanced course like, Yes, sign me up. I want to continue to be the best coach possible. I had already gained a lot of confidence in that first program. But this waslike really just an opportunity to nail in all the skills that we had learned and to practice more and more and to gain more feedback and to really understand the coaching model and what it means to be a good coach. So that was so helpful for me, just with my confidence in going out there and supporting clients in the world. Like, no, I actually know what I'm doing. There's a structure to it. I have this practice and these skills and this support, and I feel good about showing up for people in this way. I think I did need that extra course and that extra certification to gain that confidence and that up-leveling, like you said, of like, Here I am, world. I was ready to hold space for the grievers in a different way than already the confidence that the first program had provided me with.
Yeah, truly the coaching skills, which is what we really focus on, is true coaching skills as defined by the International Coaching Federation and the core competencies there. Because for me, I've been involved in that and been a certified through ICF for a long time, many years. I just knew that there's some credibility and the whole, what do I want to say, strength behind the program and ensuring that we're really helping our clients. They're creative, resourceful, and whole, and we're helping them to really tap into all that they are that they may not see at the time. The results are pretty amazing. I know from my own practice and having been doing this for well over a decade specifically for grief, talk to me a little bit about what you've seen in your own clients and some of the transformation that you've seen by them going through your program.
That's my favorite part. It's like by the time we reached that last session with a client and were able to reflect on their progress and to retake the numbers of the emotional barometer and the life engagement scale, I'm very straight up with them about like, How do you feel now with your ability to navigate your grief going off into the world? Because I don't want to leave someone hanging if they still feel like they are needing support. And so far, with the handful of clients that I've worked with, we get to that end session and they're like, No, I feel great. I feel like I have the tools and the skills that I need to be able to take care of myself moving forward. I know what to do when these things come up. I know who I can turn to. They just have that solid framework of being able to support themselves. When before, they may have been partaking in self-destructive behaviors and creating a lot of imbalance in relationships and a lot of other challenges that were coming through in their life. So to just get to that end session with the client and to just reflect and celebrate the program, and then to hear about their confidence with being able to go off and to handle their own grief in their life.
Just like, That's my goal. I don't want you to lean on me forever. Now you go up and learn how to do this in your life because you'll have to do it for the rest of your life. That's really like, I love that last session because it's just a reflection of all the progress that they have really created for themselves. That's different for everybody, so that always lights me up.
I always said I wish that I had a time-lapse camera where you could start seeing them when they first come and they're scared, they're nervous. It's like, Oh, my gosh, what did I sign up for in this grief coaching program? And the tears are falling and just feeling so vulnerable. And then you watch them over the course of an eight-week, ten-week period, however long you do it, and you just see them continually just growing and confident and laughing and allowing their grief to really co-exist with all the joy and the hope of I can continue on this life and I can have a really good life. Right? Yeah. That's just amazing. So when people come into the program, the way it is right now is I feel very strongly that people have to interview with me before enrolling and being accepted into the program. And that's usually a two-way street. I want to make sure that people can feel aligned with the energy I have and the energy my teachers have, that type of thing. But also to make sure that they're ready for this because I don't want someone to come into the program and not be ready.
But the other thing about the confidence grief coach, our initial program is I always say it's a two for one because I expect the students to go through the breathe coaching model for grief and be coached on that throughout our time together during the certification program because we all have a grief. If we haven't, then we've been living in a bubble, I'm sure, some type of grief that's there. This is a way to explore that and help really learn and integrate the tools that we're sharing with our clients when we go out into the world. And so they get that plus they get the breathe coaching model for grief. I've taken that. And for you, it's like I'm bringing in some other embodiment support. I'm using this program, but I'm also bringing in my special sauce, which we want everybody to authentically be as grief coaches out there. You don't all want to be Pat. I have my own way of doing things, but to create that special sauce thing that's really going to help authentically with your own clients. What are some of the benefits just in the overall program that you walked away with? I have two questions. What are some of the benefits? You talked a little bit about that, but just having gone through a program where you became certified, where you really invested into it, time, money, energy. Then what's been the return on investment just by going through that program? Because for all programs, it costs money to go in because we have to keep the doors open and the lights on and continually add in more into our programs. There is an investment in it. But what has been the return for you personally?
I think for that first piece, just touching on just going through the program and the benefits of receiving the program and experiencing the breathe model as someone who experiences grief and going through my own process while also learning how to share this with others. I would say that alone covered the return on investment energetically and emotionally and just from a heart-centered space of just processing my grief and learning tools for showing up for myself in my grief process. So just alone going through the program was a big shift for me in my grief process, even having that... At that time, it was like 13 years after my dad died. I had plenty of time, but there's always more to feel back and explore. I love this model because no matter where you're at, you're able to benefit from all the tools with the breathe model. That alone was a big enough return on investment as far as being a part of the program and experiencing it and learning it. I would say the biggest thing that comes up is this feeling of hope, this light, this path forward that sometimes gets so foggy when we're in grief.
I think this program is laid out perfectly to start where you're at and then to open up to this idea of hope and vision and this life that you really want to create that's still very much holding your grief and your loss and remembering your person. Just to incorporate that into my life and to have more honoring practices for my dads and my grief was really super beneficial for me. As far as the return on investments, of course, being able to guide other people through this and to be able to receive money in return for that as well, I mean, that paid off, I think, within two clients. It didn't take long, honestly. Now I've just signed my seventh client and I have another interest for a number eight in January. So it really doesn't take long. And I haven't even... I mean, it's only been just over a year since I graduated the Confident Grief Coach school. So within a year, I've already tripled my investment or a three times return on investment. So that feels really good. It feels like the energetic return of it is so much greater than the monetary piece of it.
And of course, we need that piece as far as being able to support this work consistently in the world and receive that, the return as well. But it's really like I would say, the benefits really are, of course, for anyone who does support people in grief and can see that progress of the clients and can see the hope and the light and that vision of this new life that just creates a total shift in someone's whole life. That alone is worth the whole program.
Yeah. And of course, I feel the same way, but I helped develop the program, so it's always nice to hear that from someone else. And oftentimes, and I think all of us have had to do our own work on asking for money from people who grieve. This is one of these places where it's not like you have a program that people are used to buying, that type of thing. We all go through this deep reflection into how do I do this without feeling like I'm taking advantage of someone who is in grief? You and I had a recent conversation about the charging factor. We have to have a financial... These are our businesses, so we have to have a financial remuneration from that, right? We need to be able to do that to keep our lights on and our doors open. But yet there's a lot of, and I'm getting bombarded with them lately, of offers like, let's build your high ticket item and your six-figure, your five-figure item, and we can get you there in no time. And it's like that's not what we're about in the grief space. There's no way that we're going to go and ask someone to pay exorbitant amounts of money to be able to support themselves.
And I think honestly, how most people I don't tell people how to charge because you bring your own special sauce and other things into it. But in reality, if we take a look at, I don't think that we want to really exchange dollars for hours, which is a typical model. We're really here to help people, help them transform their lives. And so it really is about the outcome of it. But if you did do exchange dollars for hours, it's really not extraordinary. You would be paying your therapist that, you would be paying your chiropractor that, you'd be paying your acupuncturists. It's not like it's like, Well, this is way too much money. And for people that are listening to this, if you're considering grief coaching, there is that piece of it is to take a look at what is it that you're really looking for? What's the worth to you to feel like you could continue moving down a path where you can have happiness and hope and even joy and a sense of purpose that you may not have right now in your grief, because that's what you'll get when you're connecting with the Cami's of the world who have been trained to do this, and to get all of that in a 10-week program and all the tools and resources and that type of thing.
Like Cammi said, she doesn't want people to be coming every week for the rest of their lives because we're all about empowerment. And that's why the confidence and grief coach, that's an energy. Confidence is an energy. And we want to flow that confidence to our clients.
I love that. And it's so hard to measure that worth. I've been struggling with, what do I charge for this program? I've had some business coaches that are like, Well, look at this transformation that you're providing people. You should be charging way more because look at all this change that you're helping someone with. And it's like, yes, however, that's not going to do any good if nobody can afford it. So being able to just really make this accessible for people is important to me, and I think that can go into how you structure your program as well. So yeah, there's a lot to consider with that stuff. But the transformation is just the abundance and the energetic wealth that you're receiving from going through something like that is, I think, you can't put a price tag on it.
Right. And it's how much you put in. I'm going to be totally honest here too, as I've had people like... It's just like, it's just like, oh, I'm not going to make any money at coaching or having this a model. And it's like, but yes, you will. But the bottom line is you have to put yourself out there. So you and I and our team, we're going to be creating more services so that we can really help people that are graduates of the program to stand up their businesses. I give a lot of that information. Everything that I use in my business, I give to you all to use so that you can get set up so you don't have to invest all kinds of money into websites and this thing and that thing that you can really just start helping people with that. But as we go into 2024, we're going to have more great tools and resources and classes and different things like that, so we can really help the people who are supporting the griefed because that's what we're all about. The vision for the International Academy for Grief is one that came to me in my mind about a month or two after my mom died, and it was to provide accessible and transformative healing for grieving families throughout the world.
But we have to start in our own backyard. We have to start there and to make it accessible. That may be financially, it may be partnering with people. It's just there's a wide variety of how we can do that. We just wanted to share that with all of you today, too. Cami, I'm going to give you information. How do they connect with you?
Well, I do have a website that has a lot of information on the other things that I do, like my embodies approach to grief and the cranial psychotherapy and how I incorporate yoga and that stuff. So my business is called barefootyoggy, bearliketheanimal. So barefootyoggy. Com is my website, and that will have all kinds of information on how to contact me and reach me from there. And then also my Facebook group, the Embodied Grief Support group is obviously a free resource, and you get a lot of me sharing all these tools and resources and connecting and engaging from there too. I encourage people to check that out as well.
Wonderful. Well, thank you so much, my dear. I'll be seeing you soon, of course, but just hang on. And thank you, everybody, who is listening to this. We are honored that you've taken a listen, and we really are here and excited to expand how we can support others to support people in their grief. Bye.
Thanks, Pat. Bye.
Contact us:
Cami Thelander: www.bearfootyogi.com
The Confident Grief Coach School: www.healingfamilygrief.com