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The Midlife Chrysalis
Chip Conley
28 episodes
1 day ago
The Midlife Chrysalis is a one-hour podcast hosted by Chip Conley, bestselling author of Learning to Love Midlife and founder of MEA (Modern Elder Academy). Chip and his high-profile guests – including Maria Shriver, Hoda Kotb, Elizabeth Gilbert, Michael Franti, and more – dive into raw, vulnerable conversations about the profound transitions they’ve experienced in midlife. Listeners get a rare look at how even the most successful individuals have to navigate life’s pivotal changes – and gain practical wisdom they can apply in their own lives for a more fulfilling and purposeful next chapter.
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The Midlife Chrysalis is a one-hour podcast hosted by Chip Conley, bestselling author of Learning to Love Midlife and founder of MEA (Modern Elder Academy). Chip and his high-profile guests – including Maria Shriver, Hoda Kotb, Elizabeth Gilbert, Michael Franti, and more – dive into raw, vulnerable conversations about the profound transitions they’ve experienced in midlife. Listeners get a rare look at how even the most successful individuals have to navigate life’s pivotal changes – and gain practical wisdom they can apply in their own lives for a more fulfilling and purposeful next chapter.
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The Midlife Chrysalis
The Science of Awe: Rediscover Wonder with Dacher Keltner

What if awe was the secret ingredient to happiness? 🌿 In this episode, I sit down with UC Berkeley psychologist Dacher Keltner to explore how awe, compassion, and moral beauty can transform the way we live and age. We dive into the science of wonder — from the power of collective joy to how simple “awe walks” can boost your health, purpose, and connection.


✨ Join us as we uncover why we’re truly born to be good and how awe might just be the key to midlife renewal.


🎧 Tune in for the full conversation and get inspired to see life with fresh eyes.


Timestamps:

00:00 Chip welcomes Dacher and reflects on their friendship

00:18 Why people smile when they talk about Dacher

01:06 How early experiences shaped his empathy

03:32 Journey into psychology and emotion science

06:42 Discovering emotion in the human face

07:31 Writing Born to Be Good and redefining human nature

09:42 Science of compassion, gratitude, and kindness

13:15 How the study of awe began

14:17 What awe is and how it feels

18:24 Collecting awe stories from around the world

20:33 The eight wonders of awe

21:00 Collective effervescence and shared joy

23:44 Synchronizing with others through movement and emotion

25:01 How screens disrupt human connection

27:00 Moral beauty and the power of witnessing goodness

31:32 Moral beauty within community and everyday life

32:39 Awe and moral beauty in midlife

36:33 The Awe Walk study and its health benefits

39:47 Finding awe in daily moments

41:25 Inside Dacher’s “Cultivating Awe” workshop

43:51 Practicing awe through grief and gratitude

45:09 Wisdom bumper sticker: seeing hidden beauty in people

47:35 Love (agape) as the essence of awe

49:10 Closing reflections and gratitude


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#awe #DacherKeltner #ChipConley #MidlifeChrysalis #CultivatingAwe #BornToBeGood #MoralBeauty #CollectiveEffervescence #ScienceOfAwe #HumanConnection #Mindfulness #EmotionalIntelligence #MidlifeWisdom #GratitudePractice #FindingPurpose

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1 day ago
53 minutes 38 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
Reborn at Midlife: How Ricky Williams Became Errick Miron

What happens when one of the NFL’s most celebrated athletes walks away from fame, fortune, and the life everyone else wanted for him? In this powerful episode, Ricky Williams, now known as Errick Miron, opens up about his transformation from Heisman Trophy winner to healer, teacher, and astrologer. He shares how depression, self-discovery, and spirituality reshaped his identity and helped him find peace beyond the game.


If you’ve ever wondered what it truly means to let go and start over, this conversation will change the way you think about success, purpose, and freedom.


🎧 Listen now and discover how Ricky Williams became Errick Miron and found his true self.


Timestamps:

00:42 Early Ambitions and Upbringing

02:19 Choosing the University of Texas

04:54 College Glory and the Heisman Dream

07:37 NFL Reality Check

10:00 Mental Health and Identity Crisis

15:00 Discovering New Passions

16:14 Leaving the NFL & Coming Back

19:47 Journey to Australia and Discovering Ayurveda

22:32 First Encounter with Astrology

24:26 Return to Football with New Purpose

26:31 Preparing for Life After Sports

29:02 Retirement & Going Back to Astrology

38:41 Evolutionary Astrology Explained

42:46 Meeting His Wife & Becoming Errick Miron

47:21 Redefining Masculinity

49:42 Upcoming Workshop: Evolving Identity

52:16 Wisdom Bumper Sticker

Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#RickyWilliams #ErrickMiron #MidlifeChrysalis #EvolvingIdentity #NFLtoAstrology #MentalHealthJourney #SpiritualAwakening #HealingJourney #AthleteTransformation #AstrologyForGrowth #LifeAfterSports #SelfDiscovery #PersonalGrowth #MasculineHealing #MindfulnessInMidlife

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5 days ago
59 minutes 31 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
Rainn Wilson: Finding the Soul Beyond the Spotlight

What if the path to a meaningful life had nothing to do with fame or success and everything to do with service and soul?


In this captivating conversation, Rainn Wilson opens up about his transformation from Hollywood ego to spiritual seeker, sharing how faith, meditation, and humility helped him rediscover purpose beyond the spotlight. Together with Chip Conley, he explores why midlife can be a sacred turning point when the soul finally takes the lead.


👉 Watch now to learn how Rainn’s journey can help you reconnect with your own soul.


Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

02:55 What Is a Soul?

05:52 Chip‘s Definition of Soul

08:18 Humans on a Spiritual Journey

09:32 Growing Up Baha’i

13:58 The 1960s Spiritual Revolution

17:31 Hollywood, Faith & the Dark Night of the Soul

21:01 Becoming Dwight Schrute

22:50 Famous in Midlife

29:01 The Ego and Hollywood

31:38 Letting the Soul Lead

34:08 Devotion & Daily Practice

40:03 The Soul Boom Workbook

42:24 How the Workbook Came to Be

44:41 Wisdom Bumper Sticker

49:24 Chip’s Reflections and Takeaways


Learn more about MEA at https://www.meawisdom.com/


#RainnWilson #SoulBoom #MidlifeChrysalis #ChipConley #SpiritualRevolution #Bahaifaith #SoulJourney #ModernSpirituality #EgoAndSoul #Mindfulness #PersonalGrowth #MentalHealthAwareness #ServiceAndPurpose #ConsciousLiving #SpiritualAwakening

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1 week ago
53 minutes 22 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
BJ Miller: How Facing Death Taught Me to Live More Fully

What if the worst thing that ever happened to you became the very thing that set you free? 🌱 In this deeply moving episode, Dr. BJ Miller—physician, amputee, and palliative care visionary—shares how a near-fatal accident in college transformed his understanding of life, loss, and what it really means to live fully. From his journey through unimaginable pain to founding Mettle Health, BJ reveals how facing mortality can open the door to compassion, creativity, and peace.


If you’ve ever feared aging, grief, or change, this conversation will completely shift your perspective.


👉 Watch now and discover how to turn life’s hardest moments into your greatest teachers.


Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction

00:36 The Accident That Changed Everything

04:17 Processing Grief and Feeling “Seen”

09:27 Rebuilding Life in His 20s

14:46 From Art History to Medicine

16:24 Discovering Palliative Care

20:27 What Palliative Care Really Means

24:26 Spiritual Dimensions of Caregiving

27:16 What We Get Wrong About Death

29:42 Making All Healthcare Palliative

32:44 Founding Mettle Health

36:56 Advice for Caregivers

41:25 The Power of Grief

43:50 BJ’s Midlife Chrysalis

47:49 What People Regret Most Before Death

51:48 Dying as a Creative Act

55:25 Wisdom Bumper Sticker


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#BJMIller #MidlifeChrysalis #ChipConley #EndOfLifeCare #PalliativeCare #HospiceCare #GriefAndHealing #MidlifeWisdom #CaregivingJourney #FindingMeaning #LifeAndDeath #SpiritualGrowth #EmotionalResilience #MindfulLiving #AuthenticLife

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1 week ago
1 hour 3 minutes 26 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
Daniel Pink: The Power of Regret and the Freedom to Begin Again

Ever wondered what it really means to start over when the world thinks you’ve peaked? In this episode, Daniel Pink, bestselling author of Drive and The Power of Regret, reveals why midlife isn’t a crisis but a creative turning point. He talks about becoming a beginner again after 50, how regret can guide us toward what truly matters, and why lasting motivation comes from autonomy, mastery, and purpose, not paychecks.


👉 Watch now to learn how to reinvent yourself with clarity, courage, and curiosity.


Timestamps:

01:15 Early Career & Al Gore Years

04:12 Leaving Politics for Book Writing

07:05 The Book “Drive” & Science of Motivation

11:10 Leadership & Purpose Within Organizations

14:13 Living an Average Mid-40s Reality

17:08 The Midlife Chrysalis & Year-Long Sabbatical

22:04 Writing for The Washington Post

25:58 Becoming a Rookie at 50

30:00 The Science of Timing

32:03 Evaluating Autonomy, Mastery & Purpose

34:21 How He Wrote “The Power of Regret”

37:42 The Wisdom in Regret

39:24 Anticipated Regret in Action

42:34 On Retirement & Regeneration

46:16 The Idea of Gap Year at 50

49:38 Regenerative vs. Retirement Communities

51:49 Upsides & Downsides of Aging

55:20 Dan’s Wisdom Bumper Sticker


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#DanielPink #ChipConley #ModernElderAcademy #MidlifeChrysalis #ThePowerOfRegret #DriveBook #AutonomyMasteryPurpose #MotivationScience #MidlifeReinvention #CareerReinvention #FindingPurpose #AgingWithPurpose #LifelongLearning #PersonalGrowth #MindsetShift

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2 weeks ago
1 hour 26 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
Love, Loss & Caregiving with Bruce Willis’ Wife, Emma Heming Willis

What happens when the person you love most slowly begins to disappear before your eyes? In this deeply emotional and inspiring conversation, Emma Heming Willis opens up about life with Bruce Willis following his diagnosis of frontotemporal dementia and how she turned heartbreak into purpose.


Joined by Helen Christoni, co-founder of Make Time Wellness, the two reveal why women’s brain health is so often ignored, what every caregiver needs to hear, and how to rediscover joy even in the hardest seasons of life.


👉 Watch now and learn how making time for yourself might just be the most powerful act of care there is.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:54 How Helen and Emma created Make Time Wellness

04:47 Hormones, estrogen loss, and dementia risk

06:03 Helen’s personal connection to dementia

08:04 Starting Make Time as Bruce’s symptoms appeared

08:51 How Emma met Bruce Willis and first signs of FTD

12:05 Understanding anosognosia and early dementia signs

15:29 The meaning of ambiguous loss for caregivers

18:45 Practical tools and exercises for caregivers

20:37 Redefining self-care and “making time”

21:20 How others can help caregivers in real ways

24:09 The caregiving crisis and policy change needed

28:43 Gender roles and men’s perspective on caregiving

31:00 Make Time Wellness mission and products

34:49 Bruce Willis’s current condition and progression

38:20 How their daughters are coping and family life

39:24 Emma’s and Helen’s advice for caregivers

40:57 Wisdom bumper sticker

44:57 Closing reflections and gratitude


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#EmmaHemingWillis #HelenChristoni #MidlifeCaregiving #WomensBrainHealth #CaregiverSupport #FrontotemporalDementia #DementiaAwareness #MakeTimeWellness #MidlifeResilience #SelfCareReimagined #MidlifeWisdom #WomenSupportingWomen #CaregivingJourney #FindingJoyAgain #ModernElderAcademy

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3 weeks ago
49 minutes 41 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
Arthur Brooks on How to Break Free from the Striver’s Curse in Midlife

What if everything you’ve been taught about happiness and success is upside down?


In this episode of Midlife Chrysalis, Chip Conley talks with Arthur Brooks, Harvard professor, bestselling author, and former French horn prodigy, about his remarkable journey from the concert stage to the world of behavioral science. Together, they unpack why strivers burn out, how our brains shift from fluid to crystallized intelligence, and the simple formula that can turn midlife from a crisis into a transformation.


Don’t miss this inspiring conversation. Listen now and start rethinking your own second curve.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

01:06 Arthur Brooks’ origins and family background

02:59 Religious upbringing and conversion to Catholicism

04:56 Navigating academia and faith in secular environments

07:08 Early music training and struggles to become the best

13:06 Striver mentality and American entrepreneurship DNA

16:41 Leaving music for economics and behavioral science

20:52 Imposter syndrome and skills learned from performance

22:33 Becoming CEO of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI)

29:05 Burnout, midlife shift, and vital plane encounter

32:19 Plane encounter with a famous figure and reflection on decline

35:47 Realizing the need for a second curve

38:10 How we move from fluid to crystallized intelligence

42:43 Airbnb and the role of “modern elder” wisdom

45:02 Advice for shifting into careers built on crystallized intelligence

46:56 The danger of pride and Dante’s frozen Satan metaphor

49:40 Learning to want less: the secret to second-curve happiness

54:39 Editing life instead of accumulating - reverse bucket lists

55:55 Generativity, religion, and aging with meaning

57:16 Policy thoughts on midlife education and wisdom schools

1:01:59 Wisdom bumper sticker

1:05:28 Closing reflections from Chip

Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/

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1 month ago
1 hour 10 minutes 43 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
From Near Death to Super Age: David Stewart’s Bold Reboot

What happens when a world-famous photographer nearly loses everything — and turns it into a movement redefining aging?


In this powerful conversation, David Stewart shares his journey from shooting Vogue covers and working with Andy Warhol’s circle, to battling a life-threatening autoimmune disease that forced him to rethink everything. Out of crisis came transformation — and the creation of Ageist and Super Age, two platforms challenging stereotypes about aging and proving that purpose, health, and vitality don’t fade with time.


Watch now to discover how to stay healthier, live longer, and embrace your true greatness.


Timestamps:

00:00 Catching up: Manhattan, travel, and life during Covid

01:36 Childhood, school struggles, and proving people wrong

04:07 Studying engineering, switching to political science, and discovering photography

06:14 Declaring himself a photographer, early Vogue ad, and move to Paris

07:01 Life in New York: Andy Warhol’s scene, magazine covers, and big clients

08:02 Health crisis, autoimmune disease, and a year in hospital

10:00 Turning point: removing his spleen and changing lifestyle

11:01 The birth of Ageist: challenging age stereotypes in media and advertising

14:50 White-light moment with AT&T campaign and marketing blind spots

18:50 Age dysmorphia, beauty industry challenges, and why older audiences are complex

21:27 From Ageist to Super Age: growth, readership, and global impact

25:27 Health transformation and connecting mindset with the body

30:00 Teaching moments: embodied wisdom, confidence, and breaking limits

33:55 What Super Age does: informing, inspiring, and offering trusted tools

35:10 Longevity pillars: sleep, fitness, stress management, and community

37:31 Why grip strength and VO₂ max matter for longevity

41:42 Smart habits vs. fads: avoiding “dumb stuff” and focusing on basics

44:39 Managing stress, hormetic adaptation, and resilience

45:00 Why men chase longevity more than women

46:04 Thoughts on Brian Johnson and longevity biohacking

47:50 The future of health: AI-driven personalized medicine

51:28 Wearables: when they help vs. when they hurt

53:12 Passing wisdom to the next generation: embracing greatness and usefulness

56:15 Final reflections: passion, usefulness, and living as a contender


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#Longevity #HealthyAging #RedefiningAging #SuperAge #Ageist #MidlifeReinvention #MindsetMatters #AgingWell #LifeAfterCrisis #HealthTransformation #Vitality #BreakingAgingStereotypes #AgingStrong #LongevityLifestyle #AgelessLiving

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1 month ago
1 hour

The Midlife Chrysalis
Midlife Awakening & Spiritual Growth with Anne Lamott & Neal Allen

What happens when a bestselling writer and a former corporate executive dive deep into life’s second half?


In this powerful conversation, Anne Lamott and Neal Allen share raw, funny, and moving stories about midlife transformation, spiritual awakening, recovery, and how to finally silence that relentless inner critic. From faith and writing to intimacy, aging, and finding purpose, their wisdom will leave you inspired — and maybe even rethinking your own path.


👉 Don’t miss this chance to hear life-changing insights from two voices who know the journey inside out. Watch now and discover how midlife can become your most powerful chapter yet.


Timestamps:

00:00 From Corporate Life to Spiritual Coaching

06:08 Annie’s Christian Spirituality

08:19 Annie’s Childhood, Religion & Humor

12:46 Embracing Christianity in a Ghetto Church

14:40 Annie’s Left-Wing Christianity Views

17:23 Anne’s Washington Post Columns on Aging

21:04 Imposter Syndrome & Life After 50

24:50 The Value of Intimacy & Deeper Connection

28:51 Taming the Inner Critic Workshop

33:46 Wisdom Bumper Stickers


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#AnneLamott #NealAllen #MidlifeChrysalis #SpiritualGrowth #LifeAfter50 #InnerCritic #WritingCommunity #RecoveryJourney #ChristianSpirituality #PersonalTransformation #MindfulnessPractice #AgingWisdom #SpiritualCoaching #SelfAwarenessJourney #FaithAndHealing

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1 month ago
42 minutes 22 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
How to Rewrite Your Story After a Life Quake with Bruce Feiler

What if the most painful disruptions in life—illness, job loss, divorce, or even an empty nest, were actually the keys to growth?


Bestselling author Bruce Feiler shares how “life quakes” shake up our stories and push us to rewrite them. From his own battle with cancer and family upheaval to studying hundreds of life transitions, Bruce reveals why resilience is a skill, not a trait, and how rituals, creativity, and storytelling can turn crisis into renewal. Dive into his powerful seven tools for navigating transitions, learn why the myth of the midlife crisis is outdated, and how to finally become the hero of your own story.


✨ Tune in to discover how to transform life’s hardest moments into your greatest turning points.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:40 Introduction to Bruce Feiler

02:24 Background, early life & first book

07:09 Life quakes and losing control of your story

12:15 Knowing when a transition is complete

18:11 The three stages of transition

24:40 Seven tools for navigating transitions

30:31 Acceptance and rituals to mark change

35:18 The ritual renaissance & new book preview

41:28 Routine vs. ritual explained

45:09 Shedding habits & finding creativity

49:19 Updating your story & unveiling your new self

51:19 The debate: midlife vs. transitions at all ages

58:51 Wisdom bumper sticker

01:04:22 Closing reflections & gratitude


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#BruceFeiler #LifeQuakes #MidlifeTransitions #ReinventYourself #LifeIsInTheTransitions, #PersonalGrowth #OvercomingCrisis #FindingMeaning #ResilienceInMidlife #RewriteYourStory #RitualsAndRenewal #MidlifeReinvention #SelfDiscoveryJourney #ThrivingThroughChange #BeTheHeroOfYourStory

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1 month ago
1 hour 9 minutes 24 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
Elizabeth Gilbert’s Untold Story of Love and Addiction

How do you survive when the person you can’t live without begins to destroy you?


In this powerful episode of Midlife Chrysalis, Elizabeth Gilbert joins Chip Conley to share the raw story behind her new memoir, All the Way to the River. She opens up about walking alongside her partner through addiction and relapse, confronting her own patterns of codependency, and finding healing through recovery and surrender. It’s an honest, unfiltered look at love, loss, and what it really takes to stand on your own two feet.


Tune in now to hear Elizabeth Gilbert as you’ve never heard her before.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:40 Introduction to Elizabeth Gilbert

03:06 All the Way to the River book

06:06 Why it took 7 years to write

07:21 A forensic look at repeating patterns

10:36 Love vs. addiction in relationships

13:49 How Liz met Raya & their evolving bond

19:55 Confessing love during Raya’s illness

25:31 Grief, loss, and missing her friend

27:18 Writing in solitude & surrendering to truth

35:00 Surrender, recovery, and true powerlessness

41:21 Dark thoughts & God’s voice

45:15 What sex & love addiction means for Liz

51:36 12-step practices & six years of abstinence

54:35 Reflections on MEA and retreat power

58:22 Wisdom bumper sticker


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#MidlifeChrysalis #ElizabethGilbert #AllTheWayToTheRiver #GriefJourney #AddictionRecovery #LoveAndLoss #Codependency #HealingFromTrauma #12StepRecovery #SexAndLoveAddiction #SpiritualGrowth #MemoirWriting #MidlifeWisdom #EmotionalSobriety #LifeLessons

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1 month ago
1 hour 2 minutes 22 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
From Punk Rock Pastor to Spiritual Outlaw: Rob Bell’s Midlife Reinvention

What happens when one of America’s most celebrated pastors dares to question everything?


In this unfiltered conversation, Rob Bell, once dubbed the “punk rock pastor” and author of the explosive bestseller Love Wins, opens up about the controversy that made him Christianity’s most talked-about heretic, why he walked away from his megachurch at the height of fame, and how midlife pushed him to reinvent himself.


From faith and psychedelics to wisdom traditions, AI, and the art of living an unpigeonholable life, Rob’s journey is as provocative as it is inspiring. Whether you see him as a rebel, visionary, or outlaw, one thing’s clear: you won’t walk away from this episode thinking the same.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:35 Meet Rob Bell

02:08 Following a Calling & Evolving

05:16 Early Life & First Sermons

11:04 Starting Mars Hill Church

13:02 Performance Art Preaching

15:01 Controversy & Pushback

16:44 Rise to Time’s 100 Most Influential People

21:10 Leaving the Church & Midlife Transition

26:25 Reinventing in His 40s

29:58 Evolving Faith & Moving Beyond Doctrine

31:46 The Greatest Unlearning

35:00 Surfing, painting & daily rituals

38:15 Reconnecting with Spirituality

40:25 On Psychedelics & Temples

44:57 From Knowledge to Wisdom

51:16 Redefining Intelligence

54:56 Rob’s Wisdom Bumper Sticker

57:47 Closing Reflections

Chip shares key takeaways on creativity, freedom, and living beyond expectations.


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/

#RobBell #MidlifeChrysalis #PunkRockPastor #LoveWins #SpiritualJourney #MidlifeTransitions #FindingPurpose #WisdomTraditions #SpiritualAwakening #FaithAndCreativity #LeavingReligion #SpiritualGrowth #Unpigeonholable #MidlifeSpirituality #CareerEvolution

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2 months ago
1 hour 2 minutes 9 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
How Intergenerational Living Creates Purpose & Joy | Marc Freedman

What if aging wasn’t about slowing down—but about leveling up?


In this powerful conversation, Marc Freedman, founder of Encore.org (now CoGenerate), unpacks the surprising history of retirement, why communities like Sun City reshaped how we see aging, and how we can flip the script on what it means to grow older. From encore careers to intergenerational mentorship, Marc shows why midlife is no dead end—it’s a launchpad for purpose, impact, and connection.


If you’ve ever wondered how to thrive after 50, find meaning in your “second act,” or simply stay relevant in a rapidly changing world, this episode will change how you see the road ahead.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:39 Marc Freedman as Chip’s “modern elder”

02:46 How aging became feared, not revered

04:26 Why older people are no longer revered

07:30 Rise of retirement communities

13:14 Why people question retirement as a goal

15:56 Marc’s personal view on retirement

18:36 The origins & evolution of CoGenerate

24:10 Why intergenerational connection matters

27:46 What CoGenerate does to help

31:52 Big policy ideas for the future

37:31 Tips for those nearing retirement

44:15 Upcoming workshop with Chip

48:47 Wisdom bumper sticker

50:51 How does Marc measure success

54:00 Wrapping up


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#MarcFreedman #EncoreCareers #ModernElder #MidlifeReinvention #FindingPurpose #LifeAfterRetirement #GenerationalCollaboration #CrossGenerational #AgingWell #WisdomAtWork #EncoreOrg #CoGenerate #ModernElderAcademy #SecondActCareers #PurposeDrivenLife

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2 months ago
58 minutes 21 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
Aging Boldly and Living on Your Own Terms with Karen Walrond

Author, speaker, and “Radiant Rebel” Karen Walrond joins Chip Conley for a warm, inspiring conversation on how to age with joy, live on your own terms, and keep your spark alive.


From growing up between Trinidad and the U.S., to leaving engineering and law for a creative life, Karen’s story is full of bold choices and unexpected turns. She shares cultural insights on aging, how to break free from the “success script,” and the seven playful experiments from her new book In Defense of Dabbling that prove it’s never too late to try something new.


Packed with heart, humor, and practical wisdom, this episode will leave you smiling and inspired to chase your own adventures.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:45 Introduction to Karen Walrond

01:58 Growing up & career journey

06:50 Midlife shift toward writing and creative work

11:38 Cultural perspectives on aging in Trinidad vs. the U.S.

16:55 Defining the “Radiant Rebellion”

19:14 Resisting societal scripts

23:06 Aging in non-white cultures

31:43 Collaboration with Brené Brown

36:12 Introducing In Defense of Dabbling

40:03 The 7 attributes of dabbling

44:08 Why trying new things matters as we age

50:42 Karen’s experience teaching at MEA workshops

53:11 Karen’s wisdom bumper sticker

57:10 Chips’s closing reflections on joy, culture, and lifelong learning


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#AgingBoldly #MidlifeReinvention #RadiantRebellion #LifeOnYourOwnTerms #NeverTooLate #MidlifeTransformation #CuriosityAndPlay #JoyfulAging #BreakingFree #LiveFully #MidlifeMotivation #RedefiningSuccess #KeepYourSparkAlive #IntentionalLiving #TrySomethingNew

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2 months ago
1 hour 31 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
Martha Beck on Psychic Gifts, Polyamory, and Finding Purpose

What happens when a Harvard scholar, devoted Mormon, and mother of a child with Down syndrome begins to hear psychic messages—and decides to tell the truth no matter the cost?


In this powerful conversation, Martha Beck shares how leaving her religion, embracing polyamory, and facing her deepest fears led her to a life of radical integrity, joy, and healing.


If you’ve ever felt stuck, out of alignment, or afraid to be fully yourself—this episode will change how you see everything.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:56 Meet Martha Beck

03:02 Growing Up Mormon, Academic Journey, and Her Son’s Diagnosis

10:53 Leaving Mormon Church & Reframing Midlife

14:47 Losing Religion, Finding Soul, and Polyamory

19:20 Returning to True Nature Through Rebellion

21:23 Lessons from Her Son with Down Syndrome

27:10 Psycho-Neuro-Immunology & Integrity

30:58 Shaman Sickness & Becoming a Healer

33:24 A Simple Path to Inner Stillness

40:01 The Radical Power of Not Lying

41:43 How to Listen to Your Body’s Response

52:27 Martha’s Bumper Sticker Wisdom


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#MarthaBeck #ChipConley #TheWayOfIntegrity #MidlifeTransformation #SpiritualAwakening #LeavingMormonism #DownSyndromeParenting #PolyamoryJourney #LifePurpose #InnerHealing #TrustYourself #ModernElder #SelfDiscovery #PsychicExperiences #AnxietyAwareness

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2 months ago
58 minutes 2 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
How Sara Blakely Built Spanx and Found Her Next Big Purpose

What happens when a self-made billionaire steps away from the company she built and faces the big question: What’s next?


In this inspiring episode, the founder of Spanx opens up about her journey from door-to-door sales to creating a global brand, the emotional challenges of selling her company, and how she’s redefining success, purpose, and identity in midlife. It’s a raw and uplifting conversation about reinvention, intuition, and finding meaning beyond business.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

01:56 Family background and kids

03:47 Childhood struggles and early mindset shift

06:32 Discovering Wayne Dyer and self-growth

09:00 Letting go of law school plans

09:46 Intuition and coping mechanisms

13:25 Selling fax machines and rethinking her path

14:17 The idea for Spanx is born

18:40 Building Spanx and landing Neiman Marcus

22:37 Growing Spanx without advertising

25:30 Selling Spanx and facing an identity shift

31:51 Midlife change and grief

34:44 Creating Sneaks brand

43:54 Psychology behind the second venture

47:32 Perimenopause, health issues, and PMDD

50:19 Modern Elder Academy experience

53:37 Focusing on presence and meaning

55:42 Introverts, extroverts, and integration

58:17 Feminine energy as a superpower

59:42 Wisdom bumpersticker

1:02:26 Chip’s final thoughts


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#SarahBlakely #Spanx #FemaleEntrepreneur #WomenInBusiness #EntrepreneurLife #BusinessSuccess #Motivation #Inspiration #FounderStory #StartupJourney #MindsetMatters #SuccessTips #BusinessAdvice #SelfMadeWoman #EntrepreneurMindset #ChipConley #MidlifeChrysalis

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3 months ago
1 hour 6 minutes 14 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
What 50 Years with the Dalai Lama Taught About Midlife | Pico Iyer

What if midlife isn’t a breakdown—but a breakthrough?


In this powerful conversation, world-renowned writer Pico Iyer shares the surprising lessons he’s learned from 50 years of friendship with the Dalai Lama, losing everything he owned, and finding stillness in the chaos. From walking away from success in New York to building a soulful life in Japan, Pico reveals how true freedom comes not from having more—but from letting go. This episode is a masterclass in finding purpose, inner peace, and meaning in the second half of life.


Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

01:13 Meet Pico Iyer

02:02 Why TED Keeps Inviting Pico Back

02:50 Pico’s favorite TED talk

04:04 Early Life Across Continents

05:17 What “Home” Really Means

07:21 Stillness and the Midlife Chrysalis

12:33 Moving from Park Avenue to Kyoto

15:31 The Value of Being an Expat

18:10 Inner Calm in a Chaotic World

22:31 Everyday Stillness Practices

29:24 A Lifetime with the Dalai Lama

37:34 Living in Absence of Answers

42:29 Pico’s Anticipated Regret

46:11 What Makes MEA So Special

50:47 Awe, Community, and Transformation

53:27 Pico’s Wisdom Bumper Sticker

56:27 Episode Key Takeaways


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#MidlifeChrysalis #PicoIyer #ChipConley #MidlifeTransformation #ModernElder #Stillness #InnerWisdom #SpiritualGrowth #LifePurpose #DalaiLama #HomeAndSoul #ExpatLife #GratitudePractice #Resilience #MindfulLiving

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3 months ago
59 minutes 10 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
From Famous Father to Finding Purpose: Scott Eastwood at Midlife

What happens when a successful actor—and the son of a Hollywood legend—hits midlife and starts asking deeper questions?


In this powerful episode, Scott Eastwood opens up about building his own identity beyond Clint Eastwood’s shadow, what 40+ films have taught him, and why he’s now prioritizing purpose over fame. He reflects on masculinity, mentorship, mistakes, and what it really means to grow wiser with age.


What happens when a successful actor—and the son of a Hollywood legend—hits midlife and starts asking deeper questions?In this powerful episode, Scott Eastwood opens up about building his own identity beyond Clint Eastwood’s shadow, what 40+ films have taught him, and why he’s now prioritizing purpose over fame. He reflects on masculinity, mentorship, mistakes, and what it really means to grow wiser with age.Feeling your own shift? Subscribe to The Midlife Chrysalis and explore Modern Elder Academy’s workshops designed to help you thrive in midlife and beyond.


Timestamps:00:00 Intro00:41 Chip’s Relationship With His Dad 08:28 A Prolific Film Career09:38 Working with Clint Eastwood10:51 Carving His Own Path13:54 New Projects & Genre Exploration15:52 Masculinity in Modern Culture18:09 Growing & Maturing as a Man19:26 Questioning & Redefining Midlife21:32 Childhood Dreams & Creative Shifts24:05 Aging, Directing & Creative Control27:1 Time, Regret & Following Your Gut31:51 The Outpost Movie & Hyperbaric Healing35:07 Real Wellness, Not Wellness Trends37:16 Life Lessons & Emotional Maturity39:44 How Scott Hopes to Be Remembered41:31 Lessons from Mom & Dad43:20 Having Mentors & Becoming One44:13 Scott’s Wisdom Bumper Sticker49:13 Healing a Father-Son Relationship


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#ScottEastwood #MidlifeChrysalis #ChipConley #ClintEastwood #MasculinityToday #ActorLife #FilmIndustry #PersonalGrowth #LegacyAndIdentity #MidlifeReflection #LifeLessons #EmotionalMaturity #CreativeJourney #WellnessWisdom #FollowYourGut

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3 months ago
59 minutes 24 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
Why Krista Tippett Walked Away at the Peak of Her Career

What happens when one of the most thoughtful voices in public life hits a wall?


In this deeply personal conversation, Krista Tippett opens up about burnout, walking away from success, and rediscovering joy in midlife. From letting go of exhaustion to falling in love again, she shares the hard-won wisdom that’s reshaping how she lives, works, and loves. It’s a moving reminder that it’s never too late to begin again, so don’t miss this one.


Subscribe for more powerful conversations that spark reflection, reinvention, and real change in midlife.


Timestamps:

00:00 Welcome and Setup

00:46 Introducing Lee and the Unique Cast of Guests

01:52 What Makes a Great Interviewer?

06:12 Interviewing John O’Donohue

09:57 Thresholds and Transitions

12:58 Krista’s Childhood and Upbringing in Oklahoma

17:40 The Bible as Her First Text of Imagination

20:00 Interviewing Richard Rohr and Men’s Spiritual Lives

23:36 Krista’s Midlife Reflections

27:06 Midlife Chrysalis and Personal Transformation

30:53 Building a Life Around Love and Friendship

35:36 What She’d Regret Not Doing

38:09 What Brings Joy Now

42:03 Defining Wisdom and Growing Wiser

46:26 Staying Grounded Through Rituals and Attention

51:43 Rethinking Retirement

54:29 The Aging Brain and Synthesizing Wisdom

57:46 Wisdom Bumper Sticker


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/#MidlifeWisdom


#OnBeing #KristaTippett #MidlifeTransformation #SpiritualGrowth #LifeAfter40 #InnerLife #FindingPurpose #EmotionalResilience #WomenOver40 #BecomingWise #SoulfulLiving #PersonalGrowthJourney #AgingWithGrace #DeepConversations

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3 months ago
59 minutes 5 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
What Burning Man Teaches Us About Aging, Identity & Legacy | Marian Goodell

What if your so-called “midlife crisis” was actually a doorway to reinvention?


In this powerful conversation, Burning Man CEO Marian Goodell joins Chip Conley to explore how the radical spirit of Burning Man offers surprising lessons on aging, identity, leadership, and legacy. From embracing impermanence to finding purpose without a script, this episode is a deep dive into how midlife can be your most creative and meaningful chapter yet.


Timestamps:00:00 Intro00:40 Chips Connection to Burning Man04:43 What Burning Man Really Is07:01 How Burning Man Became a Global Movement08:47 The Core Principles That Guide Everything11:13 Radical Self-Expression and Creating Without Expectation13:38 Why Burning Man Attracts People in Midlife Transition16:43 Loss, Legacy, and What We Leave Behind21:46 Lessons from Larry Harvey as a Modern Elder25:05 What She Learned as a Burning Man’s CEO33:00 What Is Fly Ranch and Why It Matters36:28 Fly Ranch Like Burning Man’s Feminine Side39:24 Three Tips for Burning Man First-Timers42:14 Burning the Man and Temple Rituals47:22 The Healing Power of Ritual50:08 Why MEA Resonates with Burners53:40 Wisdom Bumper Sticker


Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/


#BurningMan #MidlifeCrisis #MidlifeTransformation #MarianGoodell #BurningMan2025 #PersonalGrowth #ReinventionAfter40 #MidlifeAwakening #LifeAfter50 #SpiritualJourney #BurningManExperience #RadicalSelfExpression #MidlifeChrysalis #ChipConley #PurposeInMidlife

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4 months ago
56 minutes 50 seconds

The Midlife Chrysalis
The Midlife Chrysalis is a one-hour podcast hosted by Chip Conley, bestselling author of Learning to Love Midlife and founder of MEA (Modern Elder Academy). Chip and his high-profile guests – including Maria Shriver, Hoda Kotb, Elizabeth Gilbert, Michael Franti, and more – dive into raw, vulnerable conversations about the profound transitions they’ve experienced in midlife. Listeners get a rare look at how even the most successful individuals have to navigate life’s pivotal changes – and gain practical wisdom they can apply in their own lives for a more fulfilling and purposeful next chapter.