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The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Benji Hyam and Devesh Khanal
52 episodes
1 month ago
We share our thoughts and ideas on how to grow a business.
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Episodes (20/52)
The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Content Writing Teardown- How to Improve Blog Writing for SEO (Live Editing)

This one is likely better to be watched on Youtube (so you can see the writing and editing).

In this episode of the Grow & Convert Marketing Show, we break down a real blog post about website feedback tools to reveal common content writing mistakes. Watch as we critique the article and transform it from generic to compelling by:

- Identifying proper search intent and avoiding the "high school research paper" intro
- Showing how to position your true product differentiator instead of using generic claims
- Demonstrating how to write for advanced audiences who already understand your category
- Explaining why pain points should be concise and relevant to your reader's current stage

Whether you're writing bottom-of-funnel content or product comparisons, these principles will help you create more effective content marketing that actually drives conversions.

📈 Join our newsletter: https://www.growandconvert.com/newsletter/
🎧 Listen to the podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-grow-and-convert-marketing-show/id1652941589
📘 Learn more about SEO content writing: https://www.growandconvert.com/content-marketing/seo-content-writing/
The detail principle for writing good blog posts: https://www.growandconvert.com/content-marketing/how-to-write-a-good-blog-post/

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1 week ago
46 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
How to Analyze Google's SERP Like Grow and Convert: The Secret to Content That Ranks

In this episode of the Grow and Convert Marketing Show, Devesh and Benji break down their proven SERP analysis framework - the process they use for clients to identify high-converting content opportunities.

Watch as they analyze real SERP examples for AI writing tools keywords, revealing:

  • How to determine if a keyword is worth targeting
  • The difference between category and jobs-to-be-done keywords from a SERP perspective
  • How to spot opportunities in mixed-intent SERPs
  • When to create one piece vs. multiple pieces for similar keywords
  • Why high search volume doesn't always equal high priority
  • How to use SERP analysis to rank



Whether you're creating content for clients or your own business, this practical walkthrough shows you how to create content that actually ranks and converts.

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📘 Learn more about Pain Point SEO: https://www.growandconvert.com/conten...

Read our blog post on SERP analysis: https://www.growandconvert.com/seo/ho...

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2 weeks ago
43 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Top vs. Bottom of the Funnel: Finding Your Brand's Unique 'Wow Moment'

In this episode, we discuss the power of brand marketing versus our typical focus on bottom-of-funnel content.

While Grow and Convert is known for our bottom-of-funnel first approach to  content marketing, we explore how creating a strong brand presence generates "free leads" - those customers who can't pinpoint exactly how they found us, but remember our brand when they need our services.

We cover key topics including:

  • When to focus on bottom-of-funnel vs. when to invest in broader brand building
  • Why top-of-funnel SEO content often fails to grow a brand
  • How different companies create their unique "wow moments" (Dropbox, Peloton, ClearScope)
  • Finding the right marketing approach based on your company's natural strengths and differentiators
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1 month ago
50 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
How to Write High-Converting Blog Posts (With Real Examples)

In this episode, we break down our proven framework for writing high-converting blog posts that can outrank even the biggest competitors. Through three real-world examples, we show you exactly how to write bottom-of-funnel content that both ranks and converts.

You'll learn:

  • How to write ultra-specific content that shows deep industry expertise

  • Why most category blog posts fail to convert (and how to fix them)

  • Why we prefer using blog posts to target category keywords over landing pages


🔍 Case Studies Featured:

  • Toro TMS (QuickBooks trucking software)

  • ServiceTitan (inventory management for electrical contractors)

  • Fusion Academy (best schools for sensory processing disorder)
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1 month ago
49 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
We Secretly Published an AI-Written Blog Post (Here's What We Learned)

We conducted a secret experiment: writing and publishing a Grow & Convert blog post without telling anyone that we used AI to produce it. In this video, we reveal how it went and share honest insights about using AI for content creation.

Our content strategist and writer Katelyn Urich walks through her process of using different AI tools (Claude and NotebookLM) to write a full blog post, the unexpected challenges she faced, and why the experience actually made her writing worse. 

We discuss:

-Why traditional AI writing approaches lead to "mirage content", in other words content that looks good, but lacks substance
-How we used NotebookLM in an unusual way to maintain our signature brand voice and expertise
-The hidden problem with AI writing that becomes apparent only after multiple rounds of editing
-Why AI writing tools might save time for some content creators but fall short for high-stakes content
-Practical ways to use AI as a writing assistant without compromising quality

We share both the promising and problematic aspects of AI writing tools, helping you make informed decisions about incorporating them into your content process.

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2 months ago
53 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Does SEO help you "rank" on ChatGPT? We analyzed 16 Companies' Keywords to find out

We dive deep into our study examining the correlation between Google rankings and AI search tool recommendations. Join Benji, Devesh, and special guest Katelyn as we analyze data from 16 clients across 415 keywords to understand how Google rankings influence visibility in tools like ChatGPT and Perplexity.

Key Findings:

  • 70%+ correlation between Google page 1 rankings and AI tool recommendations
  • Higher Google ranking positions (top 3) showed even stronger correlation
  • Domain Rating shows significant correlation with AI tool visibility
  • Different patterns observed across industry verticals and keyword types


📊 Study Details:

16 clients analyzed
415 keywords examined
Tools studied: ChatGPT, Perplexity, Claude
Focus on bottom-of-funnel keywords

💡 Key Takeaways:

Strong correlation suggests traditional SEO efforts may help with AI visibility
Higher domain authority correlates with better AI tool presence
Service businesses showed different patterns than SaaS companies
Medical content showed lower AI visibility, possibly due to liability concerns

🔗 Resources Mentioned:

Full study writeup coming soon on growandconvert.com
Follow us for updates: @growandconvert
Subscribe to our newsletter: growandconvert.com/newsletter

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2 months ago
1 hour 2 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
AI's Impact on Content Marketing in 2025: Search Changes, Content Generation, and New Survey Data

In this episode, we dive deep into how AI is transforming content marketing and SEO in 2025. We explore both the search and content creation aspects of AI, sharing real data from our agency experience and a recent survey of content marketers.

Key Topics Covered:
[0:00] Introduction and episode overview
[1:00] Background on our recent travels and company retreat
[2:00] Two main aspects of AI in content marketing: content generation and search
[4:00] Changes in search behavior and SEO with AI tools
[6:00] Real examples of leads coming from ChatGPT
[8:00] How AI tools recommend content differently from Google
[11:00] Our analysis of AI tool recommendations vs Google rankings
[17:00] Why content still matters for AI visibility
[21:00] Changes in content consumption patterns
[24:00] The future of content distribution across channels
[29:00] AI content writing experiments and survey results
[36:00] Challenges with AI-generated content
[39:00] Survey insights on AI content adoption

💡 Key Findings:

  • 70%+ correlation between Google rankings and AI tool recommendations

  • 83% of surveyed marketers have published AI-assisted content

  • Major challenges remain with AI content quality and precision

  • Content remains crucial for visibility in both Google and AI tools

🔗 Resources Mentioned:

Full survey results coming soon at growandconvert.com/blog
Follow us on Twitter @growandconvert
Subscribe to our newsletter: growandconvert.com/newsletter

📱 Connect With Us:
Website: https://www.growandconvert.com
Twitter: @growandconvert
Newsletter: growandconvert.com/newsletter
Don't forget to subscribe for more insights on content marketing, SEO, and AI! New episodes every week.

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2 months ago
45 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
How to Use Jobs to Be Done (JTBD) Keywords to Boost Blog Conversions 🚀 | SEO & Content Strategy

In this video, we dive deep into how to use Jobs to Be Done (JTBD) keywords for your blog content to drive higher conversions. 

📌 What You'll Learn:

- What are Jobs to Be Done (JTBD) keywords?
- Examples of JTBD keywords
- How to come up with JTBD keywords for your business
- JTBD conversion data
- Which JTBD keywords convert the highest.

💡 Don’t forget to subscribe for more content on SEO, content marketing strategies, and conversion optimization!

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6 months ago
36 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Competitor Keywords: The Highest Converting Strategy in the Pain Point SEO Framework

Competitor keywords are the highest converting type of keyword in the pain point SEO framework. More on SEO conversion rates here: https://www.growandconvert.com/conversion-rate-optimization/average-seo-conversion-rate/

We discuss:
- Should you create landing pages vs. blog posts to target competitor keywords
- Vs. Keywords and a more advanced strategy of going after vs. keywords
- Alternatives Keywords
- Writing tips for going after competitor and vs. keywords
- and more!

Additional reading:
Landing page vs. blog posts: 
https://www.growandconvert.com/conversion-rate-optimization/landing-pages-vs-blog-posts/
Pain Point SEO: 
https://www.growandconvert.com/seo/pain-point-seo/
Circuit Case Study
https://www.growandconvert.com/content-marketing/scaling-seo-traffic/

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7 months ago
39 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Mastering Category Keywords: A Strategy to Grow Blog Post Conversions

n this episode, we do a in-depth dive into what category keywords are and how to use them to drive more blog post conversions.

In the reverse marketing funnel diagram that you can find in our blog post on Pain Point SEO, category keywords are some of the highest converting keywords. We explain how to identify which keywords would be best to target and share data on different ways to approach them to increase your conversion rate.

SEO conversion rate article

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7 months ago
29 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 27- How We Improved Blog Post Conversion Rates by 66%-950% Through Writing

Historically, we only updated blog posts to try to increase ranking positions. However, through that process of updating blog posts, we realized how much the actual writing of pieces matters.

Specifically, we've been updating blog posts for two different clients that helped sell and position the product or service better and have seen conversion rate increases between 66%-950% per blog post.

We share our thoughts as to why this is and make the case for why more businesses should adopt our approach to blog post writing.

Relevant articles:
https://www.growandconvert.com/content-marketing/how-often-should-website-content-be-updated/
https://www.growandconvert.com/seo/secondary-keywords/

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7 months ago
47 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 26: Brand Marketing vs. Performance Marketing. Which is better?

A recent news story from someone that worked at Nike is making its way around Twitter and LinkedIn. The ex-employee claims that the loss of $25B has to do with Nike's focus on performance marketing instead of brand marketing.

Marketers are taking to Twitter and LinkedIn to take sides: 
"See, this is why you should focus on brand marketing" - Brand Marketer
"No! Performance marketing still works"- Performance marketer

We share our thoughts on this topic and share when we think each type of marketing makes sense. Hope you enjoy the debate!

The linkedin post: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nike-epic-saga-value-destruction-massimo-giunco-llplf/?trackingId=4hwmp4UlQNyDwPI%2F%2BSN2kA%3D%3D

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8 months ago
44 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 25: June and July Agency Update - New Record Highs & Is the Economy Playing into Growth?

Although we've largely moved away from doing episodes about our agency and have focused more on marketing strategy episodes, we made a commitment to sharing our growth journey and struggles as we go.

In this episode, we'll share our stats for June and July - both new clients and churn - and we discuss the issues we're facing.

Specifically:
- How we're almost at capacity and how we're solving this
- How hiring is a growth limiter
- Why growing quickly isn't advantageous to an agency

and more...

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8 months ago
33 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 24: How Long Does it Take to Get SEO and Content Marketing Results?

We often get asked by prospects interested in working with us, "how long does it take to start seeing results from SEO and content marketing? It's not an easy question to answer because there are multiple factors that go into it:
1. What is the definition of results?
2. What is the conversion goal? Trials, demos, MQLs, SQLs, etc.
3. How many conversions are you already driving through other channels?
And more...

In this episode, we share a ton of different data to help answer this question. We share our own client data to show how long it takes to start seeing rankings and conversions. We share how we do expectation setting around rankings, traffic and conversions. Then we answer some common questions around does domain rating play into speed and how does keyword difficulty affect rankings?

Articles featured in the episode:
Disruption stories: https://www.growandconvert.com/content-marketing/disruption-stories/
How long does it take for content marketing to work: https://www.growandconvert.com/content-marketing/how-long-does-it-take-for-content-marketing-to-work/

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9 months ago
47 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 23: How A Content Strategy Evolves Over Time

In this episode, we talk through how a content strategy evolves overtime. We break down content strategy into a 3-tier system to help you understand how the process evolves. 

How a content strategy evolves:
Tier 1: Testing ability and time to rank
Tier 2: Scaling
Tier 3: Maintaining/Defending rankings

We share our thought process around how to test keywords and how to measure success throughout an engagement, or through your work inside of a business.

Hope you enjoy this episode!

Other helpful articles:

More on updating: https://www.growandconvert.com/seo/secondary-keywords/
SaaS content strategy: https://www.growandconvert.com/content-marketing/saas-content-strategy/
B2B content marketing strategy: https://www.growandconvert.com/content-marketing/b2b-content-marketing-strategy/

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9 months ago
1 hour 1 minute

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 22: Why Most Companies Shouldn't AB Test to Improve Conversions (And What to Do Instead)

In this episode, we debate why most companies shouldn't AB test. AB testing has become super popular over the years... Executives often want you to AB test every little thing to try to maximize the impact of all of your marketing efforts. 

Devesh explains why for most companies, it doesn't make sense to AB test. 

We share that reasoning and then we talk about what you should do instead of AB testing to increase conversions. Devesh shares some funny stories from his time running an AB testing agency. Then Devesh shares how to use a conversion rate calculator.

We hope you enjoy this episode!

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9 months ago
51 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 21: May Agency Update- New Record Highs + Marketing and Churn Update

In this monthly update, we share our client count relative to our goal, our churn, how many leads we got in May and our general sentiment around leads. Then we share what marketing has and hasn't worked and how marketing differs for service businesses.

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10 months ago
27 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 20: How to Interview Subject Matter Experts and Add Differentiation to Articles

When you've identified a keyword or topic for a blog post, how do you get the arguments that go in your piece? We interview subject matter experts at Grow and Convert to accomplish this. In this video,  we share how we prep for interviews with subject matter experts, who to interview, and how to add differentiation in your articles when writing for SEO bottom of the funnel keywords.

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10 months ago
43 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 19- Do we take this series in a different direction?

Devesh and I debate whether we should focus more on how-to content on this channel because it seems to be what gets the most viewership and engagement.

We reflect on the series so far, our overall goal of doubling the agency and discuss whether we continue the series as is, or we go down a slightly different path.

If you've enjoyed certain episodes, please let us know which ones you've loved in the comments. Or, feel free to let us know topics you'd like us to create videos on going forward.

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10 months ago
23 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
Episode 18 - Hiring Your First Head of Marketing and What They Should Do in the First 90 Days

Your business is starting to grow and now you need more of a process around marketing... so you're thinking of hiring your first marketer.

What is the right profile of the marketer you should hire?
What should that marketer focus on in the first 90 days?
How should they think about what marketing channels to focus on?
What's a good budget to start with?

We answer these questions and more in this episode. We share, from our experience, the mistakes that founders make when hiring their first marketer and how they should think about hiring.

We share stories, examples and more. Hope you enjoy this episode.

P.S. We're starting to shift the content of this channel to more strategy focus. Let us know if you like this topic in the comments.

Video Resources:
Positioning: https://www.growandconvert.com/marketing/positioning/
Positioning Case Study: https://www.growandconvert.com/marketing/positioning-case-study/
Pivoting our service offering from course to agency: 
https://www.growandconvert.com/marketing/course-launch-agency/

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10 months ago
1 hour 2 minutes

The Grow and Convert Marketing Show
We share our thoughts and ideas on how to grow a business.