What if one question could unlock hidden talent, prevent regrettable exits, and personalize careers today?

This episode of The Good Leadership Podcast is the second part of my conversation with Dr. Beverly Kaye and Dr. Dave Ulrich where we dig into the conversations that actually keep great people: learning from mistakes (and wins), stay interviews, career LEVER moves (Lateral, Explore, Vertical, Enrichment, Realignment, Relocation), and how to personalize careers in an AI era. Plus: why AI × HI (human ingenuity) is the real advantage, how to do elegant exits, and practical ways to build resilience.

About the guests

Dr. Beverly Kaye — Pioneer in career development and employee engagement; bestselling author of Love ’Em or Lose ’Em and Help Them Grow or Watch Them Go.

Dr. Dave Ulrich — Often called “The Father of Modern HR,” global authority on leadership, culture, and human capability; author of 30+ books.

Chapters

00:00 Navigating Employee Departures

09:56 The Evolving Role of HR

17:07 Leveraging AI in HR

22:18 Skills for Future Leaders

27:52 Final Advice for Future Leaders

31:17 Key Insights and Takeaways