Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Gert Biesta about teaching, knowledge and the purpose of education. Gert is Professor of Public Education at the Centre for Public Education and Pedagogy, Maynooth University. His work on the theory and philosophy of education is translated into over 20 languages, covering key interests such as curriculum, teaching, teacher education, democracy, and citizenship education. Gert’s books include 'Beyond Learning', 'The Beautiful Risk of Education', 'The Rediscovery of Teaching', and 'World-Centred Education'. Want to know more? - https://www.gertbiesta.com/ Join the conversation on social media. - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Adrian Camm about principalship, self-transformation, innovation in schools and the possibilities of AI for education. Adrian is the Principal of Westbourne Grammar School in Melbourne, where he leads with a future-focused philosophy grounded in purpose, human connection, and deep learning. A Graduate of the Australian Institute of Company Directors and with a PhD from Deakin University, Adrian is passionate about transforming education so that schools remain relevant and empowering in an era of rapid change. He is recognised for his work in curriculum innovation and use of emerging technologies, and recently won the Principal of the Year Award in the Australian Education Awards. He is the co-host of the Principal’s Perspective podcast. Want to know more? - https://www.adriancamm.com Join the conversation on social media. - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Kristen Douglas about mental health challenges in schools and society, and how educators can support themselves and the children and families in their communities. Kristen has a Bachelor and Master of Education and over 30 years’ experience in the education, health, mental health, suicide, in not for profit and government sectors. Kristen has significantly contributed to the synergy between education and mental health in Australia. From guiding government policy to leading transformational change and national reform. Kristen has led many national and state initiatives in the critical areas of whole school approach, youth mental health, principal leader mental health and wellbeing. She has authored several national resources and frameworks and specialises in the impact of suicide, complex events, trauma, and natural disasters on schools and communities and how they respond and recover. Want to know more? - https://www.headspace.com/ - https://beyou.edu.au/ Join the conversation on social media. - Kristen: @kd_wellbeing on Instagram - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

In this special 50th episode of The Edu Salon podcast, Deborah Netolicky hosts a collaboration between The Edu Salon and EdLeaders Australia podcasts. Mathew Irving co-host of EdLeaders, joins Deb in a broad ranging and candid conversation about school principalship, leadership, transitions, finding professional nourishment and sustaining wellbeing. Want to know more? - EdLeaders Australia podcast https://www.edleaders.com.au/podcast Join the conversation: - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Paul Teys about principalship and the realities of leading in a school. Paul spent 36 years in middle and executive leadership roles in Australian independent schools, including 24 years as Principal across diverse schools in three states. Paul now coaches and mentors school principals and works in executive leadership recruitment as an Associate of Slade Group. Paul is author of ‘Now You Are A Principal’ and ‘So You Want To Be A Principal’. Want to know more? - paulteys.com - https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/applied-school-leadership/id1688134224 - https://ambapress.com.au/products/so-you-want-to-be-a-principal - https://ambapress.com.au/products/now-you-are-a-principal?srsltid=AfmBOoqXrqeYDMxjV2q1PZd9-O1Z8Iio8mskQXVcaHwXjJQCbO9-BP3e Join the conversation on social media. - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Fiona Longmuir. Fiona is a Senior Lecturer in Educational Leadership in the Faculty of Education at Monash University. She is also co-leader of the Education Workforce for the Future Research Impact Lab. Her most recent projects have focused on examining working conditions for educators. In other research Fiona has investigated interactions of school and system leadership with student engagement and agency; the emotional labour of school leadership; leading schools through crises; and, leading for social cohesion and social justice. She publishes on topics of leading schools in complex contexts, teachers working conditions and teacher retention, accountability, policy enactment and student agency in school change. Fiona teaches in the Master of Educational Leadership in units focused on social justice and leading educational change and contributes to leadership programs for international school and system leaders. She previously worked for over 15 years for the Victorian Department of Education and Training as a primary school teacher, curriculum and school leader, and leader of school networks. Fiona is a Victorian Fellow of the Australian Council of Educational Leaders. Want to know more? - https://www.monash.edu/education/research/education-workforce-lab - https://www.monash.edu/education/research/projects/what-the-teaching-profession-needs-now-for-the-future - https://www.monash.edu/perceptions-of-teaching/report2022 - https://www.monash.edu/education/research/projects/school-principals-emotional-labour-in-volatile-times Join the conversation on social media. - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Matthew Esterman about the role of AI in education, including its possibilities, limits, impact on student learning and potential to reduce teachers’ workloads. Matthew has held a number of teaching and leadership roles in schools, most recently as Director of Innovation and Partnerships at Our Lady of Mercy College Parramatta. He is currently Adjunct Fellow at Western Sydney University, and founder and director of The Next Word consultancy which focuses on training, support and strategy for schools and other organisations to take their use of AI to the next level. Want to know more? - https://nextwordnow.com/ - https://ambapress.com.au/products/the-next-word?srsltid=AfmBOooYX4TwfzLicbMGedQgQUQnANQ7jHFfyJNTmFNuxhzBvVxWsUYV - https://www.oneusefulthing.org/ Join the conversation on social media. - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - Matt: @mattesterman on Instagram and @mesterman on X - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Kylie Bice about how ‘differentiation’ means designing responsive teaching and learning to students’ diverse needs. Kylie (BA, DipEd, MEd) is an experienced and award-winning teacher and scholar, and now Director and Education Consultant with Growing Up Greatness. Kylie specialises in gifted education, differentiation, assessment, disability and educating diverse student groups. Kylie was previously the Senior Inclusive and Gifted Education Consultant at the Association of Independent Schools of WA (AISWA), and has many years of experience working with diverse students in government and non-government schools in Western Australia, including students with learning difficulties, disability, gifted and talented and twice exceptional. Kylie has delivered professional learning to a range of audiences, schools, national and international conferences. Want to know more? - www.growingupgreatness.com - https://www.growingupgreatness.com/posts/2019/3/4/articulating-differentiated-practicewhat-i-see-in-a-differentiated-classroom Join the conversation on social media. - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Karen Spiller OAM CF about leadership and governance in schools. For 23 years, Karen was Principal of two schools in Queensland: St Aidan’s Anglican Girls’ School and John Paul College. She has also been the Chair of the national bodies the Association of Heads of Independent Schools, Australia and the Alliance of Girls Schools, Australasia. Karen was a member of the Board of Independent Schools Australia and Yalari and was Chair of The Board of Independent Schools Queensland for six years. Karen was a member of the St Laurence’s College Board for five years and is now a member of the Sisters of the Sacred Advent Trust - the governing body that oversees St Aidan’s and St Margaret’s Anglican Girls’ Schools. She is also a member of the International Coalition of Girls’ Schools Australia Commission and remains a member of QUT Council as well as a member of the Finance and Planning subcommittee of the Council. Karen holds an MBA, a Masters of Educational Administration and is a Fellow of AICD and ACEL. Want to know more? - https://au.linkedin.com/in/karen-spiller-oam-cf-a4559a21 Join the conversation on social media. - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Barbara Watterston about leading and leadership in education, including mentoring, coaching, professional companioning and sponsoring. Barb is CEO of the Australian Council for Educational Leaders (ACEL) and has held several school and system leadership positions across Australia. She is an Honorary Fellow of the University of Melbourne Faculty of Education and a National Fellow of ACEL. Her expertise is regularly sought out to contribute in an advisory capacity as a member of numerous university, departmental, school, and professional boards. She is author of the report 'Insights: Environmental Scan Principal Preparation Programs' and the award-winning book 'Step In, Step Up: Empowering women for the school leadership journey'. Want to know more? - https://www.acel.org.au/ACEL/ACELWEB/About/ACEL_CEO.aspx - https://www.aitsl.edu.au/docs/default-source/default-document-library/environmental-scan-principal-preparation-programs-(screen).pdf?sfvrsn=ecaaec3c_0 - https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Middle_Leadership_in_Schools/3hbxEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 - https://www.amazon.com.au/Step-Empowering-Leadership-Educational-Development/dp/1943874301 Join the conversation on social media. - Deb: @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Associate Professor Glenn Savage about education policy and practice, and the future of schooling. Glenn is a policy sociologist, leading researcher and public commentator on education policy and reform. He is Associate Professor of Education Futures in the Faculty of Education at the University of Melbourne and author of the book ‘The Quest for Revolution in Australian Schooling Policy’. Glenn has extensive large-scale research experience, including being awarded three Australian Research Council projects as Lead Investigator, including a current ARC Discovery Grant that is examining ways to improve collaboration and co-design between government agencies in the development of national schooling reforms. Want to know more? - https://findanexpert.unimelb.edu.au/profile/197905-glenn-savage - https://www.routledge.com/Flip-the-System-Australia-What-Matters-in-Education/Netolicky-Andrews-Paterson/p/book/9781138367869?srsltid=AfmBOorekb8aKZUz9paUFnDbuswcaCEeZFVtKJNc8LVBARpDh1X5YGVi Join the conversation on social media. - Glenn: @glenncsavage on X - Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Claire Golledge about school leadership, education research, aboriginal education and culturally nourishing schooling. Claire is a Lecturer in Education at the University of Sydney, the co-ordinator of - Secondary Human Society and its Environment Curriculum - in the Sydney School of Education and Social Work, and a Researcher for the Culturally Nourishing Schooling project. Prior to taking up her position at the University, Claire led pedagogy, teacher learning, and innovation at independent Sydney schools. Want to know more? - https://www.culturallynourishingschooling.org.au/ - https://doi.org/10.1007/s41297-024-00239-w - https://doi.org/10.1002/curj.252 Join the conversation on social media. - Claire: @dr_golledge on X - Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram

Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Yong Zhao about teaching, curriculum, schooling, educational leadership, and schools within schools. Yong is a Foundation Distinguished Professor in the School of Education at the University of Kansas and a professor in Educational Leadership at the Melbourne Graduate School of Education in Australia. He previously served as the Presidential Chair, Associate Dean, and Director of the Institute for Global and Online Education in the College of Education, University of Oregon, where he was also a Professor in the Department of Educational Measurement, Policy, and Leadership. Prior to Oregon, Yong Zhao was University Distinguished Professor at the College of Education, Michigan State University, where he also served as the founding director of the Center for Teaching and Technology, executive director of the Confucius Institute, as well as the US-China Center for Research on Educational Excellence. He is an elected member of the National Academy of Education and a fellow of the International Academy of Education. Yong has received numerous awards for his work on the implications of globalisation and technology on education. He has published over 100 articles and 30 books. Want to know more? - https://zhaolearning.com/ - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20965311241265124 Join the conversation on social media. - Yong: @yongzhaoed on X - Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram. - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.

Deborah Netolicky talks with Fiona Hutton about search, recruitment and support of educational leaders. Fiona is an educator, executive search professional and keynote speaker. She is the founding Director of Hutton Consulting Australia and a Victorian Branch executive member of the Australian Council of Educational Leaders. Her client portfolio includes leading schools in the Independent, Government and Catholic sectors in addition to education related organisations at a system level. Fiona is actively involved in developing leadership capacity at Senior and Executive levels through bespoke PD programs, individual career conversations, 360 degree reviews and constructive feedback from search processes. She was nominated for Telstra Business Woman of the Year (2019) and was a finalist (2020, 2021) in the small business category. Want to know more? - https://hutton.education/ - https://www.linkedin.com/in/fionahutton/ Join the conversation on social media. - Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram. - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Jared Cooney Horvath about brain science, memory, learning, and the impact of technology on young people. Jared (PhD, MEd) is a neuroscientist, educator, and author of 'Stop Talking, Start Influencing: 12 Insights from Brain Science to Make Your Message Stick'. At the crossroads between the laboratory and the classroom, Jared spends most of his time working directly with schools or helping companies, schools and organisations to improve training, education, impact, and engagement. Want to know more? - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCypIIZtJ1JOJ8VdED2L360Q - https://www.amazon.com/Stop-Talking-Start-Influencing-Insights/dp/1925335909 Join the conversation on social media. - Jared: @jared.cooney.horvath on Instagram. - Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram. - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Karen Edge about leadership, diversity, kindness and education workplaces. Karen is a Reader in Educational Leadership at University College London. Before joining UCL, Karen worked in senior advisory roles for the Ontario Minister of Education and the Centre for Educational Leadership at UC-Santa Barbara. She also worked as a Research Fellow at the World Bank in Washington DC. Karen leads the Global City Leaders Project working with 60+ Generation X school leaders in London, New York and Toronto to understand how their careers, leadership and future aspirations may influence future of urban and national education systems. Karen consults domestically and internationally for organisations on a range of strategy, leadership and research topics. Want to know more? https://profiles.ucl.ac.uk/48011-karen-edge Join the conversation on social media. - Karen: @drkarenedge on X. - Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram. - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Christine Grice about decentring leadership, leading the child, and leading together. Christine a Senior Lecturer in Educational Leadership, and postgraduate coordinator of the Master of Education Programs at the University of Sydney. Christine’s research is centred in the practices of educational leadership with a focus on leading pedagogy in schools and systems. Christine is passionate about supporting educators to connect theory, philosophy, and practice for purposeful leading in her teaching, research, and service to the education community. She works with school and system leaders at all levels on research and professional learning partnerships that seek to understand more about leading together. Christine brings almost 30 years of educational leadership and research experience in the government and the non-government sector in both Australia and the UK at early childhood, primary, secondary, and tertiary level to her work. She has over a decade of leadership experience in schools, and has held previous appointments as head of school, deputy head and director of curriculum. Want to know more? - https://www.sydney.edu.au/arts/about/our-people/academic-staff/christine-grice.html - https://www.routledge.com/Decentring-Leadership-Rethinking-Leading-in-Education-Contexts/Grice-Lizier-Francisco/p/book/9781032599441 Join the conversation on social media. - Christine: @Christine_Grice on X. - Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram. - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Simon Breakspear about implementing change in schools and education systems. Simon is a researcher, advisor and speaker on educational leadership, policy and change. He develops frameworks and tools that make evidence-based ideas actionable and easy to understand. Over the last decade his capability building work has given him the opportunity to work with over 100,000 educators across more than 10 countries. Simon is an Adjunct Senior Lecturer in the School of Education at UNSW. He serves as an advisor to the NSW Department of Education and sits on an expert steering committee for the Australia Institute for Teaching and School Leadership (AITSL). Simon began his work in education as a high school teacher. Want to know more? - simonbreakspear.com Join the conversation on social media. - Simon: @simonbreakspear on X and @simon.breakspear on Instagram. - Deb: @debsnet on X and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram. - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on X and Instagram.

Deborah Netolicky talks with Dr Jill Berry about leading in schools, including principalship and ‘making the leap’ to being a school head. Jill taught for thirty years in six different schools, both state and independent, and was a head for the last ten years of her time in schools. She has also taught at GCSE and A-Level in the evenings for several years. Since then, Jill completed a doctorate that explored the transition into headship, wrote a book about it, ‘Making The Leap: Moving from Deputy to Head’, and carried out an extensive range of leadership development work. She has also given a TEDx presentation on the subject ‘Take a Second Look: Bring Out the Best in Yourself and Others’, and has published three short novels. Want to know more? - https://jillberry102.blog/ - https://www.crownhouse.co.uk/making-the-leap - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dresser-OneWord-Button-Box-ebook/dp/B0B1F2BPJC Join the conversation on social media. - Jill: @jillberry102 on Twitter. - Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram. - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.

Deborah Netolicky talks with Professor Rachel Lofthouse about mentoring and coaching in education. Rachel is Professor of Teacher Education in the Carnegie School of Education at Leeds Beckett University, and the Director of CollectiveED: The Centre for Mentoring, Coaching and Professional Learning. She has been an educator for more than 30 years, including as a Geography teacher, a teacher educator, and a researcher. Her research focuses on professional learning, especially how teachers learn and how they can be supported to put that learning into practice. Rachel works with student teachers and their school-based mentors, teacher coaches, postgraduate students and school leaders as well as a range of educational practitioners, including those interested in community curriculum development and professional coaching for speech and language support in multicultural early years and primary settings. She encourages professionals to find practices through which they can build their workplace expertise while developing critical reflection and their ability to contribute to, and draw productively on, the knowledge base for teaching and learning. Rachel has published in peer-reviewed journals on the subjects of coaching and mentoring, the innovative use of video to support practice development, practitioner enquiry and professional learning. Want to know more? - www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/staff/professor-rachel-lofthouse/ - www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/research/collectived/ Join the conversation on social media. - Rachel: @DrRLofthouse on Twitter. - Deb: @debsnet on Twitter and @theeeduflaneuse on Instagram. - The Edu Salon: @theedusalon on Twitter and Instagram.