OFF SCRIPT: Flash, Exposure, AI, EMDR 2.0 (Ep. 208: Ad de Jongh & Suzy Matthijssen Part 2 of 2)

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The Dissociative Table

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Named for George Fraser's famous technique, The Dissociative Table is a forum for leaders in the field of complex trauma treatment to share innovations and insights regarding theory and application. Synthesis of effective modalities is a major focus, as is the development of narrative meaning as a healing objective beyond symptom relief. TDT does not specifically endorse any modalities or schools of thought; however, many of the hosts and guests are connected to the EMDR Institute and the larger EMDRIA community. Content is not endorsed by the EMDR Institute or EMDRIA.

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OFF SCRIPT: Flash, Exposure, AI, EMDR 2.0 (Ep. 208: Ad de Jongh & Suzy Matthijssen Part 2 of 2)

The Dissociative Table

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OFF SCRIPT: Flash, Exposure, AI, EMDR 2.0 (Ep. 208: Ad de Jongh & Suzy Matthijssen Part 2 of 2)

This episode, "Controversy! Dialogue! Flash! Exposure!" is an unplanned venture off-script. The host brings up Dr. Phil Manfield's claim (from an earlier TDT episode) that EMDR 2.0 is actually an unnecessarily complex version of Flash--and that the host's recent trials using AI mapping of working memory appear to offer credence to the claim. From the previous segment, the listener will know that EMDR 2.0 is the basis of the guests' work--an accelerated version of EMDR often utilizing exposure, and highly effective in inpatient and outpatient settings. This moves into further discussion of the importance of inspiring courage in traumatized clients, and even making therapy fun, rather than protecting the client like a breakable object. Iconoclastic and exuberant, Ad and Suzy are accomplished academics and clinicians, and their CV's are so long as to require hyperlinks below this paragraph! Ad de Jongh's CV: ⁠https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ad-Jongh⁠ Suzy Matthijssen's CV: ⁠https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Suzy-Matthijssen⁠ Highlights include:

-Are Flash and EMDR 2.0 fundamentally two ways of doing the same thing? Evidence for and against, including the success of Flash with an AI client trained only with EMDR sessions

-The host's experiments with AI-driven software based on EMDR 2.0, to successfully use Flash-The role of fun and encouragement in successful treatment, and how exposure is part and parcel of this

-PTSD conceptualized as an anxiety disorder or phobia, and how "stabilizing" techniques, or "safe spaces" may encourage fear or memories

-Why, despite a significant body of literature building since 2015, there is still no PSYTREC in the USA (hint: insurance companies)

-Resolving attachment issues by treating trauma, rather than the reverse Ad and Suzy have several intensive, online trainings pertaining to precisely what they speak about on this episode, at www.emdradvancedtrainings.com. As well, you can read the PSYTREC research at www.psytrec.nl, although you will need Chrome to translate this page into English. These links also appear halfway through this episode. In future (as in past) episodes, guests will offer counterpoints to Dr. de Jongh and Dr. Matthijssen's views, and this video is a dialogue, rather than an endorsement of their perspectives. Likewise, The Dissociative Table does not endorse the views of its hosts, nor do any professional organizations to which the hosts or guests might belong. It should be noted that the host has no connection to the guests through EMDRIA, as the Dutch have their own regulatory body for EMDR trainings and practitioners. Join the discussion of this episode and others at the anonymous, free, clinicians-only discussion board by emailing dissociativetable@gmail.com. The music in this episode is taken from the song "Transorbital," from Cracked Machine's album I, Cosmonaut. The band has generously donated rights to their music in support of increased global access to effective trauma treatment. Stream or download at: https://crackedmachine.bandcamp.com/