My friend from college Daniel Payne and I discuss life and lessons, while attempting to find the balance in the political system, how to handle conflict, the value of experience, whether we deem it good or bad, it always has value. Touching on everything from family and tribal roles, to what’s worth focusing our time on and the enjoyment of learning.l with the usual touch of humor thrown in. Although often taking different sides on issues, we also agree on many things, but we always remain positive and open-minded, and I appreciate that, since most discussions these days don’t have a chance to be had due to polarizing politics and heavy confirmation bias.