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The Changes Ahead Podcast
Cathy Marston & Steven Goulstone
48 episodes
2 weeks ago
It is no secret that the church in the West is in decline and there seems to have been unending talk about the church needing to change. Despite this, the number of sustainable alternatives or even smaller changes to what most would be familiar with as church is tragically low. This podcast is capturing thoughts of people who can see the Changes Ahead of us. Together we’ll be challenged, provoked even, by the views of people who are thinking about how the church might thrive going forward. So we invite you to join co-hosts Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone as we imagine the Changes Ahead.
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It is no secret that the church in the West is in decline and there seems to have been unending talk about the church needing to change. Despite this, the number of sustainable alternatives or even smaller changes to what most would be familiar with as church is tragically low. This podcast is capturing thoughts of people who can see the Changes Ahead of us. Together we’ll be challenged, provoked even, by the views of people who are thinking about how the church might thrive going forward. So we invite you to join co-hosts Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone as we imagine the Changes Ahead.
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Episodes (20/48)
The Changes Ahead Podcast
Mercy in the midst of agony: a pastor from Gaza speaks, with Hanna Massad
In this episode, we hear from Hanna Massad, once a Baptist pastor in Gaza, who shares with raw honesty the agony of the unfolding situation in Palestine. Yet his voice is not one of bitterness, but of humility, mercy, and a deep longing for justice. Hanna invites us to see beyond headlines into the human and spiritual reality of life in Gaza, and to consider what it means to hold onto grace in the face of unimaginable suffering.
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2 weeks ago
46 minutes 50 seconds

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Exploring Institutional Anxiety with Becky Sly
We talk a lot about change in this podcast series, and it seems that where change is imminent, often anxiety presents itself – both personally and institutionally. Becky expertly guides us through this dynamic, giving us some helpful re-framing and offering grace as we seek the best for our church communities.
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1 month ago
47 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Challenging norms, with Nigel Brereton
In this episode, we talk with the husband of a Baptist pastor who isn’t afraid to challenge expectations. He shares honest reflections on navigating faith, identity, and community in a role often overlooked. Nigel pushes against cultural, gender, and church norms, inviting us to rethink leadership, partnership, and belonging in the life of the church today.
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2 months ago
47 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Cathy and Steven get Down to Earth
We are regularly asked about what we think about various things, including what changes ahead we see are necessary. Earlier this year, Cathy and Steven were interviewed on another podcast, Down To Earth Conversations. In case you didn't catch it over there, have a listen to some more of our story and our hopes for The Changes Ahead.
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3 months ago
57 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Would we be missed? A church elder’s reflections on capacity, community and the questions that keep us honest, with Nathan Nelson
We sit down with a church elder wrestling with big questions: How do we manage our capacity as churches and as individuals? Would our churches be missed if they disappeared? And how do we stay curious in a culture that values certainty? It’s a thoughtful, honest conversation about presence, purpose, and the quiet power of asking open-ended questions. Whether you’re leading, limping, or somewhere in between, this episode invites reflection on why we do what we do—and who would notice if we stopped.
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4 months ago
49 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
The problem of accidental Zionism and how to know you have it, with Lauren Domigan and Philip Church
We are joined by the co-hosts of the popular Baptist NZ podcast ‘Biblical insights: The gospel and the land of the Bible’, who unpack their own journeys exploring the topic of Zionism. They discuss how a particular theological line of thinking and way of interpreting the Bible results in the justification of human suffering. In this challenging and personal conversation, they invite us to think beyond what might have been understood from the past to find God who “is on the side of suffering humanity.”
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5 months ago
57 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Place-based institutions and the future of the church, with Taylor Marston
How can the experience of place-based institutions such as Sister Cities and Rotary Clubs inform where the church is at in 2025? Taylor shares from his research and offers some challenging insights and questions for us as the church.
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6 months ago
49 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
The art of disagreeing well, with Hazel Dunn
Treating people with respect and without judgment when we disagree might be one of the hardest things to do, especially in our increasingly polarised world, society and church. Using personal stories and giving practical tips, in this episode, Hazel guides us in the art of disagreeing well.
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7 months ago
41 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Faith, creative arts and the power of authentic identity, with Bethany Miller
Welcome to Season 4! We're starting with a compelling conversation with Bethany, who shares her journey of embracing authenticity in Wellington’s creative arts scene. She unpacks the dynamics of expressing her faith and identity as both a performer and a follower of Jesus.
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8 months ago
38 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Season 3 Finale, with Special Guests
As we close out 2024, we’ve got a couple of special guests commenting on what stood from the last year or so of episodes. Have a bit of fun with this AI review of The Changes Ahead Podcast! See you in 2025.
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10 months ago
23 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
The power of young voices: Shaping our future, with Sarah Finlay Robinson
With the reality of less and less children and young people in our churches, perhaps it is time to listen to those who work directly with these generations – along with those generations themselves. Sarah is a Youth Development Worker calling the church to respect, uphold and value the voices and participation of children and young people as the church of today.
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1 year ago
46 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Mentoring youth and embracing faith that’s not comfortable, with Sean Marston
In this episode Sean, Cathy’s husband and Steven’s long-term mentor, shares from his decades of working with young people the importance of being present in people’s lives in order to speak into them before challenging followers of Jesus to embrace a faith that is not going to leave us comfortable and safe.
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1 year ago
48 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Flourishing in leadership and healing, with Anashuya Fletcher
Anashuya shares her experiences of leadership and miraculous healing and how she has been and is being formed by both spaces. Ana invites us to think about what the future of the church might look like and where we are looking for its leaders. She shares the questions and wrestles that being ill and experiencing healing have raised.
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1 year ago
47 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
We need to change: Abuse in faith-based care, with Jaimee van Gemerden
With the recent release of Whanaketia – Through pain and trauma, from darkness to light, the final report from the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-Based Care, we reflect with Jaimee on its implications, why it is so important to engage with this as churches and the desperate need for change in our spaces to do everything in our power to ensure abuse is no longer something anyone experiences in our spaces.
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1 year ago
52 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Flourishing and mutuality in relationships, with Dr Christa and Matt McKirland
What does mutual flourishing look like within relationships, and why is this an important change that is needed in our church narratives? Hear the story of two people figuring it out and seeing each other thrive as they seek the best ways for each other to live into and out of their gifts.
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1 year ago
60 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
They are our youth – responding to youth homelessness, with Aaron Hendry
Why do so many young people in New Zealand experience homelessness, and why should the church be interested in being a part of the solution? Aaron Hendry has some ideas backed up by over a decade of working in this space. He is a youth development worker, writer, podcaster, and advocate for social justice who has a challenge for those of us with ears and hearts to hear.
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1 year ago
47 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Flourishing at the margins, with Paul Fletcher
Sometimes, it can be hard to see what the Spirit is up to in the church, but for Paul Fletcher, who spends most of his time beyond the walls of the church he leads with people who are on the margins of society, the activity of the Spirit is far more evident. We can learn a lot from those experiences if we are courageous. Paul’s work also involves selling Common Good Coffee; it’s three times as good as regular coffee, a business that, simply by us drinking a great cup of coffee, supports people in some of the most difficult circumstances imaginable.
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1 year ago
44 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Slavery, a modern day issue with Sarah Scott Webb
Without stopping to think, it could be easy to assume that slavery is a thing of the past, but in this conversation with Sarah, we will find out just how prevalent it is and why the church should get involved in working to eradicate slavery from the world. Welcome back to season 3 of The Changes Ahead Podcast!
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1 year ago
51 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
Reflecting on the year with the Wilberforce 'Faith and Belief' study, with Cathy and Steven
We've reached the end of another season, and to wrap it up, Cathy and Steven reflect on The Changes Ahead that we've heard this year and are trying in our church spaces through the lens of the recently released Wilberforce 'Faith and Belief' study. Thanks for being on the journey with us for another year!
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1 year ago
31 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
What if I can’t change the world? Faith, parenting, business and church, with Nat Milne
When expectations don’t match reality, what is going to get us through? For Nat, a small business owner and mother of two, the values that underpin why she started her business sustained her in the professional and personal space she was in. As Nat shares her story, we get glimpses into how faith, parenting, business and church intersect to drive her forward and could speak to some of the changes ahead necessary for the church.
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1 year ago
54 minutes

The Changes Ahead Podcast
It is no secret that the church in the West is in decline and there seems to have been unending talk about the church needing to change. Despite this, the number of sustainable alternatives or even smaller changes to what most would be familiar with as church is tragically low. This podcast is capturing thoughts of people who can see the Changes Ahead of us. Together we’ll be challenged, provoked even, by the views of people who are thinking about how the church might thrive going forward. So we invite you to join co-hosts Cathy Marston and Steven Goulstone as we imagine the Changes Ahead.