What does “commercial intelligence” really mean for marketers, and why do so many of us avoid it? In this episode, I sit down with Andrew Hatcher (entrepreneur, investor, and fellow of the Cambridge Marketing College) to cut through the noise around numbers, ROI, and lifetime customer value. We dig into the stuff marketers often push aside: how much it costs to get a customer, how much it takes to keep them, and what they’re actually worth over time. Andrew explains why being “too creative for the maths” is just an excuse, why brand awareness can be measured, and how simple calculations can change the way you justify campaigns, budgets, and even your next pay rise. From Google Ads and HubSpot funnels to B2B sales, referrals, and lifetime value, we get into the practical side of marketing that every creative professional needs to face. If you’ve ever thought “I don’t do numbers, I just make content,” this conversation will change your mind.