In this episode, Patrick Smith interviews Matt Nicoletti, Director of Business Development at Penny Newman Grain—a California grain trader founded in 1878 that has grown into a global leader in bulk commodity logistics.  We dive into how Penny Newman is both advancing soil health through innovative inputs, and working to transform their legacy business. Their unconventional approach challenges some of the received wisdom in regenerative agriculture: 🚜 𝗜𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗴𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗦𝗼𝗶𝗹 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝗹𝘁𝗵 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗼 𝗔𝗴𝗿𝗶𝗯𝘂𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀𝘀: Penny Newman is leveraging their scale to produce and distribute innovative biological inputs, integrating them directly into large farming operations without asking for fundamental operational changes. 🐛 𝗣𝗿𝗶𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗶𝘇𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗢𝘂𝘁𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗲𝘀 𝗢𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗣𝗿𝗮𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗰𝗲𝘀: Instead of focusing on cover crops or no-till methods, Matt's team optimizes soil biology through biological inputs. The result is rapid and dramatic improvements in crop yield and vigor, which really grabs producers' attention. 💰 𝗘𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗼𝗺𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗶𝗻𝘀 𝗕𝗲𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗠𝗶𝗻𝗱𝘀𝗲𝘁 𝗦𝗵𝗶𝗳𝘁𝘀: Matt's approach focuses on delivering immediate economic results rather than waiting for farmers to adopt new practices or change their mindset. Showcasing the power of soil biology opens the door for producers to explore further. ⚡️𝗔𝘀 𝗼𝗽𝗽𝗼𝘀𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗮 "𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗶𝗱𝗱𝗹𝗲" 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗶𝗱𝗱𝗹𝗲: Penny Newman trades and transports commodities into California from all over the world. We discuss some of the challenges they're facing as they navigate their customers' Scope 3 emission reduction programs. Notable Quotes  (17:16) It's much more difficult to save your way to profitability than it is to grow your way to profitability…one of the mistakes that I made early was trying to get growers to drastically reduce their nitrogen inputs. So let's use the tomato market, for example. If you were to reduce, let's say that tomato grower was using 200 units of nitrogen in the form of UAN 32. That means that they're using roughly 70 gallons of UAN-32 and a gallon of UAN-32 in the current market costs roughly, you know, $2. Okay, so you're spending $140 per acre. So if you reduce your nitrogen inputs by half, you're going to save $70 roughly. Okay, and that's material on a per acre basis, like any grower who you go to and say, hey, I want to take $70 out of your input budget. They're going to like that in concept, right? However, when you look at, you know, where the profitability comes from, going back to yield increases, right? The tomato market is today, $112.50 per ton. Average tomato yield last year was roughly 50 tons per acre. So a, which would mean that a that a five ton yield increase would be a 10 % increase in yield, which is absolutely attainable, right? And at five tons times $112, you're north of $500 in profitability increase, right? So I would rather make $500 than save $70. (09:57) If I can't show up and show results within – call it the first year of working together – Then I don't get invited back. You know, my customers are not people that say, I want to go regenerative. Let's work with Penny Newman. These are people who are just wanting to maximize profitability on-farm and looking for innovative ways to do that. (08:40) It's kind of like a methadone clinic, right? You're weaning growers slowly and steadily off of those things, but doing it in a way that you don't see this big yield decline. Because I think one thing that you obviously think a lot about, is how growers manage that perceived risk, right? And when we talk about soil health and regenerative, we're generally talking about management practices that are oftentimes difficult to implement that growers don't have experience with. And in the regenerative ag circles, you hear people talk about this sort of yield dip that is inevitable when you go quote unquote regenerative. And as much as I love that word and I love the movement, I don't necessarily align ourselves with it as much anymore because if that's what regenerative ultimately means, then I can't necessarily clai