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The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
Sony Music Entertainment
112 episodes
1 week ago
When Janis, a young mother of four, vanishes from her small Mississippi town in the 1970s, the cracks in her perfect life are exposed. In 2019, after more than four decades, an investigator becomes determined to find out what happened to her. As host Larrison Campbell follows the twisty tale of Janis’s secret life, she takes listeners on a journey through three states, four marriages and the bed of at least one murderer. In the end, the trail of lies and forged documents lead to Janis–and a fate that no one in her old life ever imagined.  Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose, ad-free by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go.    Follow The Binge Crimes and The Binge Cases wherever you get your podcasts to get new stories on the first of the month, every month.  Hit ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the The Vanishing of Janis Rose show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession.  A Sony Music Entertainment production.  Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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When Janis, a young mother of four, vanishes from her small Mississippi town in the 1970s, the cracks in her perfect life are exposed. In 2019, after more than four decades, an investigator becomes determined to find out what happened to her. As host Larrison Campbell follows the twisty tale of Janis’s secret life, she takes listeners on a journey through three states, four marriages and the bed of at least one murderer. In the end, the trail of lies and forged documents lead to Janis–and a fate that no one in her old life ever imagined.  Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose, ad-free by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go.    Follow The Binge Crimes and The Binge Cases wherever you get your podcasts to get new stories on the first of the month, every month.  Hit ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the The Vanishing of Janis Rose show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession.  A Sony Music Entertainment production.  Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
Introducing: Hunting the Bogeyman
When she’s 21, Nicole Earnest-Payte is attacked in her own home. She comes to believe a serial predator has started terrorizing women in Northern California. Officials are skeptical until acclaimed detective Paul Holes finds a clue, kickstarting an extraordinary hunt for a real-life bogeyman, and for Nicole, hope for an end to a long nightmare.  Binge all episodes of Hunting the Bogeyman ad-free November 1st by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 week ago
1 minute

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
Introducing: CRIMES OF…
Power. Fame. Obsession. Betrayal. These are more than headlines. They are the forces behind some of the most unforgettable crimes in history. Crimes Of... is a weekly true crime anthology series, hosted by Sabrina Deana-Roga and Corinne Vien of Two Girls One Ghost, that explores a new theme each season, such as crimes of the paranormal, unsolved murders, mysterious disappearances, and more.   For their first season, Sabrina and Corinne are diving into Crimes of: Infamy. The real-life true crime events behind Hollywood’s most iconic horror villains, from cult classics to massive franchises. Norman Bates. Buffalo Bill. Ghostface. Jason Voorhees. The names alone send a shiver down your spine. Now, discover the chilling crimes that brought them to life.   Crimes Of... is a Crime House Original, powered by PAVE Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts.  Listen here: https://link.podtrac.com/sg77ic4l Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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2 weeks ago
7 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Vanishing of Janis Rose | 6. The Real Janis
There’s only one person left who holds the truth, Janis herself. David and host Larrison show up to answer the remaining mystery: Why did she keep up decades of lies? Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Wildnight Media production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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3 weeks ago
44 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Vanishing of Janis Rose | 5. Then Who is David?
Ogden passes off the baton to a new investigator, David, because for him, it’s personal. After a major break in the case, host Larrison Campbell and David set out to answer the question of how Janis pulled off decades of lies and deceit. Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Wildnight Media production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 month ago
42 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Vanishing of Janis Rose | 4. Bombshell
During the lunch rush in a Texas Dairy Queen, Janis’s five decades of lies finally begin to crumble. But Ogden, the investigator, discovers that solving this part of the mystery has left him faced with an even bigger one. Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Wildnight Media production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 month ago
43 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Vanishing of Janis Rose | 3. Pregnant
After escaping from a murderous boyfriend, where does Janis turn up next? With a child she may or may not have stolen in the South Louisiana Bayous. As more witnesses come forward, the investigator's cold case is suddenly white hot. Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Wildnight Media production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 month ago
43 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Vanishing of Janis Rose | 2. Risk Taker
The investigator visits a pair of sisters who begin to drop breadcrumbs of clues possibly leading to Janis’s whereabouts. The problem is, a few of those crumbs lead to more than one man known for murder. Is the investigator looking for Janis–or her headstone? Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Wildnight Media production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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1 month ago
43 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Vanishing of Janis Rose | 1. Like a Ghost
More than 40 years after Janis disappears from her Columbia, Mississippi home, Investigator Marc Ogden decides he’s going to solve the mystery of her disappearance. Has the most obvious suspect gotten away with murder for decades? Or is there more than one person who might want this mom of four dead? Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Wildnight Media production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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2 months ago
39 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
Introducing: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
Coming soon to The Binge, it's The Vanishing of Janis Rose. An investigator takes on the challenge of figuring out what became of a young mother of four who vanished from her small Mississippi community in the 1970s. He discovers a twisty tale of secrets that cross three states, stolen identities and the bed of at least one murderer. Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose ad-free September 2nd by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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2 months ago
1 minute

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Doodler | 8. Rays of Hope
Since the reactivation of the Doodler case in 2018, Dan Cunningham has been eyeing a key person of interest. Cunningham met with him and even got a sample of his DNA. The SFPD is comparing that DNA with blood from the original crime scenes. Kevin and Mike convince Cunningham that another unsolved murder from 1975 may be the work of the Doodler, and they uncover the likely identity of “Dr. Priest,” too. With several avenues opening up for the SFPD to investigate, Kevin and Mike ask: What could this mean for the victim’s families, the queer community, and for justice in the Doodler case? This is a re-released series from The Binge archives. Binge all episodes of The Doodler, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠podcastchoices.com/adchoices⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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2 months ago
41 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Doodler | 7. The Man in the Sketch
After the publication of the composite sketch, leads begin to pour in. SFPD receives a call from a psychiatrist’s office. The doctor claims the man in the sketch might be their patient. Homicide investigators act on the tip and question the man. But today there’s little information about what they learned and the psychiatrist can’t be found. So Kevin and Mike are left wondering why the patient was never arrested. This is a re-released series from The Binge archives. Binge all episodes of The Doodler, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠podcastchoices.com/adchoices⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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2 months ago
31 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Doodler | 6. A Sketch for the Street Cops
In the Fall of 1975, a composite sketch of The Doodler is published in the San Francisco Chronicle and the San Francisco Sentinel, and tips begin to roll in. Street cops are on high alert for anyone matching the description. Inspectors Rotea Gilford and Earl Sanders round up several suspects for interrogation. Kevin and Mike uncover more details about a psychiatrist and secretary who claim their patient is The Doodler. This is a re-released series from The Binge archives. Binge all episodes of The Doodler, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠podcastchoices.com/adchoices⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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3 months ago
24 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Doodler | 5. An Actor and a Diplomat Walk into a Bar
At the end of 1975, The Doodler murders Harald Gullberg, the fifth and final suspected fatality that investigators have tied to this case. The Doodler’s sixth victim actually survives a brutal knife attack. Investigating today, Kevin is desperate to talk to an eyewitness, but investigator Dan Cunningham says the man wants to put the events of 1975 behind him. Private investigator Mike Taylor looks into rumors that this surviving victim may have been a Swedish diplomat, and some new leads emerge. This is a re-released series from The Binge archives. Binge all episodes of The Doodler, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠podcastchoices.com/adchoices⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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3 months ago
34 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Doodler | 4. Gilford and Sanders
More than a year after the murder of Gerald Cavanagh, the SFPD finally assigns a dedicated team of investigators to The Doodler case. Turns out Rotea Gilford and Earl Sanders, the first Black homicide investigators in the SFPD, are perfectly suited for the job. Around this time, The Doodler claims his fourth victim - a nurse named Fredrick Capin. Now, Kevin and Mike try to learn what they can about the circumstances around his death. This is a re-released series from The Binge archives. Binge all episodes of The Doodler, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠podcastchoices.com/adchoices⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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3 months ago
30 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Doodler | 3. The Zebra Diversion
Kevin and Mike dig deeper into the lives of the first three Doodler victims, and a clear pattern begins to emerge around the method and location of these deaths: brutal stabbings in remote hookup spots. Did SFPD see that pattern in the ‘70s? Or was it lost amid the crime wave sweeping across the city at the time? They look into the infamous Zebra killings of 1973 and ‘74. This is a re-released series from The Binge archives. Binge all episodes of The Doodler, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠podcastchoices.com/adchoices⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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3 months ago
26 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Doodler | 2. Murder, Mistrust, and the SFPD
The Doodler’s second known victim is an up-and-coming San Francisco drag queen named Jae Stevens. In the present, the San Francisco Chronicle’s Kevin Fagan recruits private investigator and former Chronicle colleague Mike Taylor to help him track down some of Stevens’ friends and family. Through Jae’s story, we learn how the contentious relationship between police and the gay community complicates the original investigation. This is a re-released series from The Binge archives. Binge all episodes of The Doodler, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠podcastchoices.com/adchoices⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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3 months ago
34 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Doodler | 1. The Coldest Case in San Francisco
You’ve probably heard of the Zodiac Killer but not The Doodler. Why not? Between 1974 and ‘75 he killed at least 5 gay men in San Francisco and got away with it. But ever since, the case has been mostly overlooked. Until now. SFPD re-opened the case in 2018, with investigator Dan Cunningham at the helm. Meanwhile, award-winning reporter and host Kevin Fagan starts an investigation of his own. He starts by looking into The Doodler’s first known victim - Gerald Cavanagh. This is a re-released series from The Binge archives. Binge all episodes of The Doodler, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit ⁠⁠podcastchoices.com/adchoices⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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4 months ago
31 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Arsonist Next Door | 6: Behind the Facade
The identity of the culprit raises more questions. Was this crusade to protect the desert real? Or just a smoke screen for something far more sinister? A shocking twist reveals how this local story ended up having global consequences. Binge all episodes of The Arsonist Next Door, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Novel production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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5 months ago
52 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Arsonist Next Door | 5: The Confession
With a suspect in their crosshairs, investigators have everything they need… except proof. A local man risks everything to go undercover and help crack the case. Binge all episodes of The Arsonist Next Door, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Novel production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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5 months ago
43 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
The Arsonist Next Door | 4: The Bait
The only hope of ending the arson spree for good is to lure the arsonist out of hiding. Law enforcement sets a trap they’re certain he won’t be able to resist. Binge all episodes of The Arsonist Next Door, ad-free today by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession. A Sony Music Entertainment and Novel production. Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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5 months ago
40 minutes

The Binge Crimes: The Vanishing of Janis Rose
When Janis, a young mother of four, vanishes from her small Mississippi town in the 1970s, the cracks in her perfect life are exposed. In 2019, after more than four decades, an investigator becomes determined to find out what happened to her. As host Larrison Campbell follows the twisty tale of Janis’s secret life, she takes listeners on a journey through three states, four marriages and the bed of at least one murderer. In the end, the trail of lies and forged documents lead to Janis–and a fate that no one in her old life ever imagined.  Binge all episodes of The Vanishing of Janis Rose, ad-free by subscribing to The Binge. Visit The Binge Crimes on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘subscribe’ or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access. From serial killer nurses to psychic scammers – The Binge is your home for true crime stories that pull you in and never let go.    Follow The Binge Crimes and The Binge Cases wherever you get your podcasts to get new stories on the first of the month, every month.  Hit ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the The Vanishing of Janis Rose show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com. The Binge – feed your true crime obsession.  A Sony Music Entertainment production.  Find out more about The Binge and other podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us @sonypodcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices