Can you be a Christian without the church? In this timely episode, Dr. Carmen Imes argues forcefully—and pastorally—that Christianity without community is a contradiction. Drawing from her new book Becoming God’s Family, she and Dru Johnson explore why so many people are walking away from church and what it would take to draw them back. From church hurt to spiritual abuse to toxic celebrity culture, Carmen doesn’t shy away from the reasons people leave. But she also offers theological and pastoral wisdom on why we can’t give up on the church. They explore biblical stories of failed community, why Hagar’s story matters, and what healthy faithfulness looks like in a flawed body. They also discuss when it’s time to leave a church, how American and global cultures can distort biblical community, and why true belonging means discomfort, difference, and even lament. Drawing on stories from her life and ministry, Carmen makes the case that church isn’t about getting what we want—it’s about becoming who we’re meant to be. For Carmen Imes' substack:https://substack.com/@carmenjoyimes We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more resources:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 The Importance of Community in Faith01:37 Addressing Church Disconnection Post-Pandemic04:22 The Role of Scripture in Community Dynamics07:17 Navigating Church Hurt and Abuse10:36 Finding Hope in Faithful Communities13:46 The Broader Picture of Church Life16:38 Understanding God's Family Beyond the Church18:39 The Power of Community and Discipleship20:03 Cultural Blind Spots and Family Loyalty21:42 The Radical Nature of Church Family25:24 The Ananias and Sapphira Lesson27:59 The Role of Green Rooms in Church31:10 Lamenting Together as a Family32:45 The Messiness of Community35:34 The Quest for Like-Mindedness37:32 Diversity in Church and Community41:58 Creative Solutions for Multicultural Worship  

What do Tolkien, vocation, and gritty literature have in common? In this conversation, Dru Johnson talks with literary scholar Dr. Karen Swallow Prior about why Christians often gravitate toward fantasy and romantic ideals—and why that can be a problem. Karen critiques the elevation of genre fiction like The Lord of the Rings as literary canon and urges Christians to engage “thick texts” that challenge us and train us to read Scripture more deeply. They discuss how modern reading habits—dominated by email, social media, and skimmable articles—undermine our ability to understand both literature and biblical texts. Karen argues that literature forms our posture toward the world, and that our spiritual and moral imagination needs the grounding realism found in great novels and gritty stories. The conversation pivots to Karen’s new book on vocation, exploring how distorted expectations around passion, work, and calling are leaving young people disillusioned. Instead, she calls for a deeper, more historically grounded view of labor, meaning, and responsibility. This episode is a must-listen for those interested in education, theology, literature, and the subtle ways imagination shapes our lives of faith. For more of Karen's literature:https://karenswallowprior.com/ We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Exploring Literature and Vocation02:37 The Role of Literary Criticism in Cultural Contexts05:44 Tolkien, Lewis, and the Literary Canon08:46 Understanding Thick Texts: Literature and the Bible12:04 The Importance of Reading Skills in Biblical Studies14:55 Interpreting the Bible: Layers of Meaning in Texts19:49 The Importance of Humility in Understanding Literature24:00 Navigating Vocation and Career Expectations29:54 The Reality of Menial Jobs and Their Value33:37 Balancing Idealism and Grit in Literature38:47 Finding Vocation in the True, Good, and Beautiful

In this second conversation with political philosopher Yoram Hazony, we dive deeper into the biblical concept of nationhood, wrestling with listener-submitted questions on nationalism, empire, and political virtue. Hazony responds to critiques and clarifies his position: biblical nationalism is not about racial purity or imperialism, but about the virtue of limited, self-governing peoples—unified not by ethnicity but by shared laws, traditions, and faith. Hazony distinguishes biblical terms like am and goy, explores the status of converts like Ruth, and dismantles the modern racialized understanding of nationhood. He emphasizes that scripture assumes nations will be internally diverse, but not infinitely so—there must be a dominant center that holds people together. The conversation also explores why biblical literature, not Greco-Roman thought, shaped the American constitutional order, and why the prophets critique empire while affirming the need for some form of the state. As Hazony puts it, “Purity is not the goal. Faithful unity is.” For the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy article Yoram mentioned in the interview, access the PDF here:https://journals.law.harvard.edu/jlpp/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2025/06/Hammer-FINAL_TC-JH-YRH-edits.pdf For more of Yoram's literature:https://www.yoramhazony.org/https://x.com/yhazony We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 The Virtue of Nationalism05:19 Understanding Nation in Biblical Context10:42 The Role of Genetics and Kinship in Nations15:25 Diversity and Unity in National Identity20:09 Power Dynamics in Heterogeneous Nations25:23 Biblical Foundations of Western Political Thought38:14 The Christian Heritage of the West41:15 Separation of Powers and the Mosaic Constitution44:37 Separation of Church and State48:29 The Concept of Empire59:00 The Role of Kings and the State01:00:17 Eschatology and the Future of Nations

Should Christians serve in the military? In this sobering and nuanced episode, Dru Johnson sits down with retired Colonel Darren Duke—Marine Corps Special Operations commander and intelligence officer—to unpack this deeply personal and morally complex question. Drawing from over 30 years of military experience, Duke shares his evolving view of military service, from Cold War patriotism to the hard-earned disillusionment of post-9/11 combat. He offers insight into how symbols like the Punisher, Spartan helmets, and Valhalla became coping mechanisms for troops struggling with the trauma and moral ambiguity of prolonged warfare. Duke also warns young Christians to prepare not only for the battlefield but for the morally challenging culture within the military itself. This conversation does not prescribe easy answers but outlines how one might think Christianly about enlistment, national service, and the weight of violence in a fallen world. Listeners will walk away better equipped to consider military service with sober realism, moral clarity, and theological depth. We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Military Service and Personal Background09:54 Reflections on Military Service and Christian Identity17:52 The Complexity of War and Its Justifications20:13 The Weight of War: Moral Trauma and Reflection22:12 Existential Questions in Military Service24:26 Navigating Morality in Combat28:12 The Christian Perspective on Military Service32:27 Defending the Defenseless: A Moral Duty35:32 The Role of Leadership in Military Ethics

In this update episode, Dru Johnson and Mike Tolliver pull back the curtain on the work happening at the Center for Hebraic Thought. From filing 501(c)(3) nonprofit status and building a stellar advisory board, to launching a redesigned website and reviving in-person workshops, the CHT has been quietly preparing for long-term growth and broader influence. They discuss the newly relaunched Hebraic Thought Community (HTC) on Facebook—already hundreds strong—and the four activities that bring the community together: highlighting member-created resources, sharing weekend reading, gathering weekly for public listening of Scripture, and hosting scholar Q&As. This digital community is sparking cross-disciplinary conversations, surfacing unexpected gems from laypeople, and reimagining how Christians listen to the Bible together. Dru and Mike also explain why listening (not just reading) Scripture in community is a powerful and ancient discipline—and why it’s missing from most churches today. They reflect on the joy of watching Scripture come alive in unexpected ways through these communal practices. They close with a call to support: whether through recurring giving, hosting a workshop, or sharing the word, CHT is building something bigger than any one person—something rooted in Scripture and flourishing in community. We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 00:03 Updates on The Center for Hebraic Thought 03:03 Community Engagement and Workshops 06:03 Hebraic Thought Community Initiatives 09:04 Public Listening of Scripture 11:55 The Importance of Listening to Scripture 15:10 Website Updates and Future Plans 17:53 Funding and Support for the Center 20:58 Workshops and Community Involvement  

Should Christians look for Jesus in every verse of the Old Testament—or are we missing the point when we do? In this wide-ranging and practical conversation, Dr. Christopher J. H. Wright, Langham Partnership’s Global Ambassador and one of the world’s leading Old Testament scholars, joins Dru Johnson to explore the difference between Christocentric and Christotelic readings of Scripture. Wright reflects on common instincts Christians have—either skipping the Old Testament or trying to make every text about Jesus—and explains what we lose when we fail to respect the voice and context of the original authors. Wright argues for a more faithful reading that respects the historical drama of God’s covenantal journey with Israel, leading to but not eclipsed by Christ. He explains how Luke 24 affirms that the Scriptures point to Jesus, but that doesn’t mean every verse must be “about” him. Instead, Scripture forms a unified story with Jesus as its destination, not its hiding place. The conversation ends with a powerful case for why the global church, especially in the majority world, has crucial theological insights to offer—and why Western Christians should be ready to learn. For more from Chris Wright: https://christopherjhwright.com/ For more about Langham Partnership: https://us.langham.org/ We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Understanding the Old Testament's Relevance02:01 Challenges in Interpreting the Old Testament05:26 The Importance of Context in Biblical Interpretation08:09 The Role of Jesus in Old Testament Texts11:00 Exegetical Approaches to the Old Testament14:08 The Historical Unfolding of God's Promises21:06 The Transition from Law to Grace22:32 The Journey of Scripture Towards Christ24:57 Understanding the Role of the Gospels and Acts27:00 The Nature of Biblical Narrative29:01 Langham Partnership: Resourcing Global Churches32:37 The Importance of Preaching in the Majority World36:00 Listening to Global Voices in Theology

What if the most politically influential Christian leaders in America aren’t the ones you’ve heard of? In this eye-opening conversation, Dr. Matthew D. Taylor joins Dru Johnson to explain how the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and related charismatic networks reshaped modern evangelicalism—and helped deliver the presidency to Donald Trump. Taylor, a scholar of religion and politics, traces how televangelists, prophets, and apostolic leaders operating outside denominational structures built a new Christian populist movement with real spiritual and political power. Far from being fringe actors, these leaders—like Paula White and Lance Wallnau—hold enormous sway through media networks and prophetic authority. Taylor explores how modern prophecy, celebrity culture, and populist theology have created a system resistant to critique, driven by revival language and unregulated influence. He explains why evangelical elites misjudged the NAR’s reach and how their dismissal of these leaders as “hucksters” only deepened the divide. We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to the New Apostolic Reformation Movement02:50 Understanding Pushback and Misconceptions05:46 Defining the New Apostolic Reformation09:21 The Role of Charismatic Leaders in Politics12:10 Trump and the Evangelical Connection15:09 The Seven Mountain Mandate and Its Implications18:05 Cyrus Prophecy and Its Significance21:14 The Divide Between Evangelical Elites and Grassroots26:19 Theological Divides in Modern Evangelicalism27:40 Historical Context of Evangelicalism29:06 Populism and the Rise of Trump31:29 Scriptural Interpretation and Prophecy35:19 The Role of Modern Prophecy38:33 Leadership Dynamics in Non-Denominational Spaces43:41 Christian Nationalism vs. Christian Supremacy46:35 The Early Church's Ethos vs. Modern Power50:58 Path Forward for Evangelicals

What do Hollywood, Joan Didion, and the Bible have in common? More than you’d expect. In this episode, New York Times film critic and author Alissa Wilkinson joins Dru Johnson to discuss the life, work, and worldview of Joan Didion, one of the most influential American writers of the 20th century. Wilkinson’s new book, We Tell Ourselves Stories, explores how Didion made sense of chaos through narrative—and what her work reveals about faith, trauma, politics, and cultural memory. Together, Alissa and Dru explore Didion’s insight that stories are not just entertainment; they are survival mechanisms, tools we use to impose order on a chaotic world. But is that all Scripture is—just another human-made narrative? Wilkinson offers a careful reflection on the limits and power of storytelling, showing how Didion’s work can challenge both Christian belief and secular mythmaking. They also dive into conspiracy theories, the fusion of politics and Hollywood, and the rise of nostalgia as a cultural sickness. From John Wayne to 9/11 to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, this episode traces the invisible threads between the stories we inherit and the truths we cling to. We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Exploring Joan Didion's Influence02:10 The Chaos of Life and Storytelling05:08 The Impact of California on Didion's Work08:15 Didion's Perspective on Conspiracy Theories11:24 Hollywood's Political Landscape and Didion's Critique14:26 The Intersection of Politics and Entertainment17:29 Didion's Views on Feminism and Fixed Ideas20:26 The Role of Nostalgia in Storytelling23:24 The Modern Political Narrative26:17 Conspiracies and Their Impact on Society29:27 The Nature of Truth in Storytelling32:10 Didion's Legacy in Film and Media35:20 The Future of Storytelling in Politics

Was wine in the Bible just a calorie source—or something far richer? In this fascinating conversation, Dr. John Anthony Dunne, author of The Mountain Shall Drip Sweet Wine: A Biblical Theology of Alcohol, joins Dru Johnson to explore how wine and alcohol shaped ancient Israel’s culture, theology, and imagination. Dr. Dunne traces how biblical wine reflected not only the scarcity and agricultural hopes of ancient life, but also a tradition of craftsmanship, connoisseurship, and divine blessing. Together they unpack why biblical wine wasn’t just functional—it was symbolic of abundance, peace, and God’s favor. From fermentation methods and ancient storage to the surprising case for white wine at the wedding at Cana, this episode challenges modern assumptions about alcohol in Scripture. Dunne explores why the biblical world viewed wine as inherently miraculous, why production was tied to the land promise, and how modern communion links us to Canaan’s terroir in unexpected ways. We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Introduction00:42 Christianity and Alcohol02:52 Cultural Perspectives on Alcohol Consumption06:01 Theological Implications of Alcohol in Scripture08:58 Wine Production and Its Significance12:00 The Craft of Winemaking in Ancient Times14:57 Grapes: Beyond Wine Production18:06 Environmental Factors in Viticulture20:58 The Symbolism of Wine in Biblical Texts22:06 The Importance of Climate in Winemaking25:11 Exploring Ancient Grape Varieties27:07 The Fermentation Process of Ancient Wines35:04 The Significance of Jesus' First Miracle45:10 Wine as a Connection to the Land

Is nationalism always bad—or does the Bible have a more nuanced view of nations, borders, and political life? In this fascinating episode, Israeli philosopher Yoram Hazony joins Dru Johnson to explore the political vision of the Old Testament, from the Table of Nations in Genesis to the prophetic hope of nations learning from Israel in peace. Hazony explains how the Bible’s anti-empire stance emerges from the stories of Babel, Assyria, and Babylon—and why God’s vision for humanity includes independent nations with borders, traditions, and space to seek Him freely. Together they unpack how Israel’s kingship, laws, and tribal structure offer a model of checks, balances, and moral limits on power. The conversation also tackles modern questions: What can Christians today learn from biblical nationalism? How does this compare with movements like Christian nationalism in the U.S.? And why does Hazony see so many modern Christian intellectuals missing the Old Testament’s political teachings? For more of Yoram's literature:https://www.yoramhazony.org/https://x.com/yhazony We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Nationalism and the Bible00:56 Biblical Foundations of National Identity09:32 Political Philosophy in the Old Testament12:43 Critiques of Nationalism in the Hebrew Bible20:42 The Nature of Sin and Human Corruption22:40 Nationalism and the Biblical Perspective26:08 Borders and National Independence40:01 Governance and the Role of Law45:28 Christian Nationalism: Perspectives and Concerns

Is church just a place to think about God—or are we wired to worship together? In this groundbreaking episode, theologian Dr. Josh Cockayne and developmental psychologist Dr. Gideon Salter join Dru Johnson to explore how human beings are made for joint attention, and why gathering for worship is a deeply embodied, social necessity. Drawing from their book Why We Gather, the conversation unfolds how infants develop the skill of “joint attention”—the ability to notice something with someone else—and how this same capacity is essential to biblical worship, from Genesis to Revelation. They argue that worship isn’t merely cognitive or emotional—it’s communal, embodied, and neurologically formative. Togetherness isn’t a nice-to-have; it’s the foundation of how we know God and the world. From communion rituals and infant behavior to liturgical design and online church, the episode provides a practical, psychologically grounded, and theologically rich vision of church that challenges both individualism and shallow expressions of “community.” For their book "Why We Gather," see the publisher's website here: https://www.baylorpress.com/9781481322911/why-we-gather/ We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Worship and Individual Experience02:59 The Role of the Body in Worship06:02 Joint Attention and Its Importance09:20 The Collaboration Between Psychology and Theology12:12 Understanding Joint Attention in Worship15:17 The Impact of Joint Attention on Community Worship18:05 Liturgy and Joint Attention in Practice21:09 Theological Implications of Joint Attention24:04 Cultural Jointness and Worship27:06 Conclusion and Reflections on Worship27:42 Children's Participation in Church28:42 Exploring Joint Attention in Liturgical Settings30:57 The Role of Community in Worship32:36 Understanding Jointness and Joint Attention35:12 The Dynamics of Participation in Worship36:18 Theological Perspectives on Joint Attention38:12 The Biological and Social Aspects of Gathering41:44 Critiques of Theoretical Frameworks in Worship

What gives someone the right to script your prayers? In this powerful conversation, Douglas McKelvey, author of the bestselling Every Moment Holy liturgical series, joins Dru Johnson to unpack the spiritual and theological journey behind his work. From a childhood steeped in neo-charismatic theology to a disillusioning college experience at Oral Roberts University, McKelvey shares how God used a profound unraveling—what many today might call “deconstruction”—to rebuild a biblically coherent faith through unexpected mentors and communities. Listeners learn how McKelvey became part of the Art House Foundation and later the Rabbit Room, drawing from the legacies of Francis Schaeffer, Edith Schaeffer, and Andrew Peterson to create a community of artists grounded in Scripture. Along the way, he opens up about the fear and trembling that should attend writing liturgies—and what it means to write prayers people will carry into their most vulnerable moments. This episode explores beauty, hospitality, ritual, and the theological integrity behind the words we say to God. Whether you're a liturgy lover, creative, or just someone seeking coherent theology after chaos, this is an episode that will stay with you. Learn more about the Art House and Rabbit Room here:https://www.arthousenashville.com/our-storyhttps://www.rabbitroom.com/ We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to the Rabbit Room02:22 The Evolution of the Rabbit Room05:17 Community and Connection in the Rabbit Room08:29 The Significance of Northwind Manor11:31 Personal Journey and Theological Foundations14:10 Navigating Doubt and Deconstruction23:08 Charlie Peacock and the Art House Foundation26:29 The Art House and Its Influence31:04 The Physical Space of the Art House34:20 Theological Foundations for Artists36:33 Every Moment Holy: A Journey of Prayer43:13 The Impact of Ritual in Prayer50:43 Reflections on the Craft of Prayer52:18 The Rabbit Room: A Hub for Creativity  

What if our biggest biblical misunderstandings come from reading the right words in the wrong way? In this episode, Old Testament scholar Dr. Andy Judd joins Dru Johnson to unravel the complex and often misused concept of genre in biblical interpretation. Drawing from his background in English literature and law, Dr. Judd explains how many theological debates, misreadings, and even dangerous interpretations arise not from misused Hebrew dictionaries—but from unspoken assumptions about genre. Why do readers assume Abraham’s behavior is exemplary? Why do sermons treat biblical laws like modern legal codes? Why do people interpret apocalyptic visions as historical predictions? From Genesis to Judges, Paul’s letters to Revelation, Judd shows that failing to ask, “What kind of text is this?” is often where interpretation goes off the rails. Blending humor, literary theory, and deep biblical insight, Judd offers practical ways to become better “travelers” in the ancient biblical world—learning to coordinate with texts the way we coordinate with traffic rules in a new country. Andy Judd's personal website can be found here:https://www.andyjudd.com/ We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters:00:00 Introduction00:54 The Journey into Genre Studies03:26 Misinterpretations and Conflicts in Biblical Genre06:26 Understanding Narrative and Ethical Frameworks10:18 The Role of Genre in Biblical Interpretation12:39 Defining Genre: Conventions and Contexts14:37 Cultural Contexts and Genre Navigation18:35 The Boomerang Test: A Practical Approach to Genre24:32 Deep Structures and Genre Regulation28:08 Understanding Genre in Scripture33:54 The Role of Genre in Biblical Interpretation39:22 Biblical Law: A Unique Genre43:56 The Social Function of Biblical Law49:42 Wisdom and the Interpretation of Law

Is loving your family first a biblical idea—or a betrayal of Jesus’ call to love your neighbor? In this thought-provoking episode, Mike Tolliver—Executive Director of the Center for Hebraic Thought—joins Dru Johnson to explore his developing PhD thesis on Storge (family love), the kinsman-redeemer, and what biblical justice actually looks like. Drawing on Torah, philosophy, and early Christian texts, Mike argues that Storge love is not only natural—it’s essential to a functioning society, and that Israel’s family-based justice system was designed to eliminate categories like “orphan” and “widow.” He explores why Paul uses the metaphor of adoption—and not kinsman-redeemer—for Gentile inclusion, and why the Ten Commandments are saturated with family ethics. From Sophie's Choice-style sermon illustrations to questions about circumcision, baptism, and ethnic election, this episode unpacks the implications of what it means to love your kin without devaluing the stranger. As Mike prepares for PhD work, his big question is: What does rightly ordered family love look like in Scripture—and what happens when it gets misordered? We are listener supported. Give to the cause here: https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Exploring Academic Pursuits and Career Paths05:47 The Kinsman Redeemer: A Social Safety Net14:35 Storge and Kinsman Redeemer in Biblical Context19:54 Theological Implications of Kinship and Election27:34 Exploring the Promise of Descendancy29:03 Navigating the Path to a PhD30:56 The Challenge of Proposal Writing31:57 Understanding Storge in Hebraic Thought39:07 The Role of Storge in the Ten Commandments41:07 Stranger Love vs. Family Love43:55 Moral Dilemmas in Love49:56 The Future of Intergenerational Family Focus

What does it mean to call something “Christian music”? Nick Barré has spent decades in the music industry—from working at EMI with early Switchfoot to managing major names like Casting Crowns, KB, Brandon Heath, and more. In this 200th episode of The Biblical Mind, he joins Dru Johnson to reflect on the Christian music label, the tension between calling and category, and how artists navigate faith and fame. Nick argues that labeling music—or restaurants or plumbers—as “Christian” may do more harm than good. He shares why genre categories are a business necessity but spiritually unhelpful, and why the most important questions artists must answer are about calling, audience, and identity—not chart placement. From spiritual burnout to public affirmation, from the temptations of platform to the dangers of envy, Nick shares pastoral, industry-hardened wisdom on how to guide artists into longevity and spiritual wholeness. He even offers advice for aspiring Christian musicians—and what it really means to “show, not tell” when pursuing a creative calling. Nick Barre's Company "Proper Management" can be found here: https://www.propermanagement.net We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters:00:00 Defining Christian Music03:11 The Evolution of Music Genres06:10 Navigating the Music Industry08:57 The Dangers of Labeling12:09 The Role of Artists in Ministry15:16 The Impact of Fame on Identity18:24 Identifying Unique Gifts in Artists25:41 Exploring Diverse Artist Portfolios28:29 Navigating Hard Conversations in the Music Industry31:05 Defining Success in the Arts33:15 The Challenge of Artistic Compromise37:06 Understanding Market Dynamics in Music40:22 Fragmentation of the Music Industry46:39 Advice for Aspiring Christian Artists

In this episode, Dr. Dru Johnson sits down with Matt Whitman, host of The Ten Minute Bible Hour, to explore why so many Christians—and skeptics—struggle with Scripture. Whitman shares what he’s learned from engaging millions online: people are often afraid to be wrong, shaped by graceless experiences in church and cancel culture in the wider world. The solution? Modeling curiosity, empathy, and intellectual humility. Whitman opens up about his own faith journey, the impact of church hurt, and why he makes space for disagreement and exploration in his content. From deconstructing popular biblical themes to highlighting the beauty of traditions outside his own, Matt argues that deep scriptural engagement thrives in environments where it’s okay not to have all the answers. Together, Dru and Matt delve into themes like biblical coherence, the importance of interpretive grace, and what it means to approach the Bible not as experts, but as learners. Their conversation models the very ethos they preach: thoughtful, generous dialogue rooted in the belief that God’s grace extends to our minds—not just our sins. For More of Matt Whitman and the Ten Minute Bible Hour: https://www.youtube.com/@UC3vIOVJiXigzVDA2TYqaa0Qhttps://www.facebook.com/thetenminutebiblehourhttps://www.instagram.com/tenminutebiblehourhttps://www.twitter.com/MattWhitmanTMBHhttps://www.threads.com/@mattwhitmantmbh We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThoughtInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthoughtThreads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthoughtX: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThoughtBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters:00:00 Introduction00:54 Resistance to the Bible and Church Experiences04:57 Cultural Resistance and Historical Context07:44 Navigating Hurt and Church Experiences10:56 Empathy and Understanding in Conversations14:21 Normalizing Being Wrong17:20 Internal Cohesion in Christianity25:38 Universal Themes in the Bible32:44 Navigating Biblical Interpretation and Truth35:43 The Complexity of Biblical Truth37:55 The Pressure of Pastoral Performance42:14 The Challenge of Authenticity in Teaching45:32 Modeling Intellectual Grace and Humility49:40 Creating a Gracious Learning Environment53:16 The Nature of Knowledge and Learning in Faith

What happens when science, religion, and education collide? In this episode, Dr. Rachel Pear shares her remarkable journey from growing up in New York’s modern Orthodox Jewish community to researching how evolution is taught and received across Israeli society. A scholar of science education and prehistoric archaeology, Rachel discusses how Jewish, Christian, and Muslim communities in Israel grapple differently with the question of human origins. Why do some teachers avoid the topic altogether? Why do secular and religious students draw such hard lines around what’s “acceptable” to believe? And how do family, community, and national identity shape scientific acceptance? Rachel also shares her experience presenting three distinct rabbinic views on evolution in schools, showing students that Jewish thought isn’t monolithic—and that questioning is part of the tradition. She explores the cultural weight of science, the legacy of eugenics, and how educators can create space for real dialogue in science classrooms. Whether you’re an educator, a religious thinker, or just curious about how evolution meets identity, this episode offers a rich, honest look at a complex conversation that’s still evolving. We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThought/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthought/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthought/ X: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThought/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Rachel's Journey02:49 Exploring Prehistoric Archaeology and Cultural Contexts05:48 The Intersection of Evolution and Religion08:48 Cultural Perspectives on Evolution in Israel11:57 The Role of Education in Science and Religion14:57 Diverse Views on Evolution in Arab Schools17:58 The Complexity of Science and Cultural Identity20:50 Reflections on Science, Culture, and Religion27:27 Navigating Values in Education32:20 The Complexity of Teaching Evolution35:53 Epistemology and the Scientific Method40:51 Cultural Perspectives on Evolution45:32 The Intersection of Tradition and Modernity

Is the relationship between Islam and science as well-developed as it is in Christianity? Not even close—but that’s changing. In this episode, Dr. Shoaib Ahmed Malik, Lecturer in Science and Religion at the University of Edinburgh, joins Dru Johnson to share the emerging field of Islam and science, focusing on the hot topic of evolution. Shoaib unpacks the historical development of Islamic engagement with science, tracing it from early encounters with Western scientific frameworks to the present. He explains why the Islamic world lacks infrastructure like textbooks, academic chairs, and journals for the science-religion conversation—and why that’s finally beginning to change. But what about evolution? Shoaib shares why it remains a highly sensitive subject in Muslim-majority countries (including stories of professors losing jobs over it) and how Muslim views differ from Christian ones, especially around original sin, Adam, and human suffering. This is an honest, fascinating look at how Muslims are navigating modern science, why cultural and religious taboos persist, and how Shoaib’s work is shaping new conversations at the intersection of Islamic theology and science. We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThought/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthought/ Threads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthought/ X: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThought/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Shoaib Ahmed Malik's Journey03:11 Transition from Engineering to Humanities06:00 Teaching Experience in the UAE09:14 Pursuing Philosophy, Science, and Religion12:18 Publishing and Academic Recognition15:11 Navigating Career Changes and New Opportunities18:29 Exploring Science and Religion Conversations26:43 Navigating Conversations with Students27:29 Understanding Islam: Sunni vs Shia30:19 The Contemporary Muslim World: Sunni and Shia Dynamics31:34 The Intellectual History of Islam35:17 Muslim Perspectives on Science and Religion39:01 Islamization of Science: A Discourse Emerges42:48 The Development of Islamic Science Education44:25 Evolution and Its Reception in the Muslim World48:11 Unique Questions Muslims Ask About Evolution

What happens when you put 15 scholars—scientists and theologians, Muslim, Jewish, and Christian—in a room to talk about creation? In this episode of The Biblical Mind Podcast, Dr. Dru Johnson shares his experience launching the Abrahamic Theistic Origins Project in Oxford. Far from being a formal academic conference, the gathering focused on “enduring collegial co-learning”—building trust and curiosity across disciplines and faith traditions. The participants explored how evolutionary biology, genetics, astrophysics, and artificial intelligence intersect with theological questions about human uniqueness, creation, and divine action. Dru explains why religious identity didn’t hinder the conversation—it enriched it, and why the bigger challenge was translating between scientists and theologians. He also shares a fascinating insight on Neanderthals and menopause, and how that single biological feature opens a window into intergenerational care, legacy, and biblical values. The project raises bold questions: Can we build a biblical philosophy of science? Does Hebraic thought inform scientific methods? And what does it look like to think with Scripture—not just about it—in a scientific age? We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThought/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthought/Threads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthought/X: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThought/Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org Chapters 00:00 Exploring Creation Theology and Science 02:58 Building Collegial Relationships Among Scholars 05:43 Navigating Interfaith Dialogues 08:52 Understanding Diverse Perspectives on Origins 13:59 The Intersection of Science and Theistic Beliefs 21:40 Christian Views on Human Origins 30:08 Pragmatism and Empiricism in Biblical Thought

Was the Mosaic Law a burdensome set of rules meant to be broken? Did Jesus overthrow the Torah—or fulfill it? In this special episode of The Biblical Mind Podcast, we revisit the pilot episode of the Jesus and the Jewish Law podcast, hosted by Paul Sloan and Logan Williams. Together, they walk through seven widespread misconceptions about the Law and how these misunderstandings distort our reading of both the Old and New Testaments. You’ll hear why the Law was never meant to be a ladder to earn salvation, how it was designed to maintain God’s presence among His people, and why ritual purity doesn’t equal sin. They also explore the difference between distinction and exclusion, how the Law does not uniformly obligate all humans, and how Jesus builds on—not breaks—the Torah’s ethical depth. If you’ve ever wrestled with questions about the sacrificial system, purity laws, Gentile inclusion, or what Jesus really meant in the Sermon on the Mount, this episode offers a clear, accessible, and richly Hebraic guide to reading the Law like Jesus did.   Jesus and Jewish Law Podcast:Apple = https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jesus-and-jewish-law/id1791111864 Spotify = https://open.spotify.com/show/1QCKgVOnEmtfFwRQtWlBSV   We are listener supported. Give to the cause here:https://hebraicthought.org/give For more articles:https://thebiblicalmind.org/ Social Links:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HebraicThought/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hebraicthought/Threads: https://www.threads.net/hebraicthought/X: https://www.twitter.com/HebraicThought/Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/hebraicthought.org   Chapters 00:00 Introduction02:01 Misconceptions About the Law: An Overview05:57 Debunking Misconceptions: The Nature of the Law12:08 Understanding Impurity and Its Implications17:59 The Role of Sacrifice in the Law20:02 Conclusion and Future Topics