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The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
David J. Cox & Jacob Sosine
25 episodes
3 days ago
A podcast for those interested in what's going on at the intersection of behavior science and data science.
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A podcast for those interested in what's going on at the intersection of behavior science and data science.
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The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 025: Reflections on LLMs and AI with Dr. Garrison

As we close out Season 2 and our emphasis on LLMs, we had the distinct privilege of chatting with Dr. Elizabeth Garrison. She is one of the few people in the world with domain expertise spanning behavior analysis (BCBA) and artificial intelligence (PhD).

In this episode, we reflect on the state of AI research and industry work pre-ChatGPT and post-ChatGPT release, the shift in academic AI research when the transformer architecture became broadly available, and the differences between academia and industry in both behavior science and AI.

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1 month ago
1 hour 8 minutes 12 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 024: Are we in an AI bubble?

"Bubbles" are an economic phenomenon characterized by a rapid increase in asset prices that far exceed the asset's underlying fundamental value, driven by speculative buying and herd behavior rather than intrinsic worth.

In this episode, Jake and David ask, "Are we in an AI bubble?". And, if so, what might this mean for both individuals and organizations as they navigate the current AI strategic landscape?

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1 month ago
1 hour 7 minutes 24 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 023: Your Brain on LLMs

In this episode, Jake and David discuss the burgeoning area of research looking at how interacting with LLMs impacts our skills and abilities in good and bad ways. As with most things in life, the effects are not black-and-white. And, we discuss strategies and tactics we can all engage in to try to get the benefits without the drawbacks.

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2 months ago
1 hour 13 minutes 47 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 022: The Ethics of LLMs that Few Talk About

Conversations around AI ethics often focus on a suite of incredibly important topics such as data security and privacy, model bias, model transparency, and explainability. However, each time we use large AI models (e.g., diffusion models, LLMs), we reinforce a host of additional potentially unethical practices that are needed to build and maintain these systems.

In this episode, Jake and David discuss some of these unsavory topics, such as human labor costs and environmental impact. Although it's a bit of a downer, it's crucial for each of us to acknowledge how our behavior impacts the larger ecosystem and recognize our role in perpetuating these practices.

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2 months ago
1 hour 11 minutes 20 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 021: Explainable AI and LLMs

"Explainable AI", aka XAI, refers to a suite of techniques to help AI system developers and AI system users understand why inputs to the system resulted in the observed outputs.

Industries such as healthcare, education, and finance require that any system using mathematical models or algorithms to influence the lives of others is transparent and explainable.

In this episode, Jake and David review what XAI is, classical techniques in XAI, and the burgeoning area of XAI techniques specific to LLM-driven systems.

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3 months ago
1 hour 12 minutes 38 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 020: Evidence-Based Practices for Prompt Engineering

Prompt engineering involves a lot more than simply getting smarter with how you structure the prompts you enter in an LLM browser interface.

Furthermore, a growing body of peer-reviewed research provides us with best practices to improve the accuracy and reliability of LLM outputs for the specific tasks we build systems around.

In this episode, Jake and David review evidence-based best practices for prompt engineering and, importantly, highlight what proper prompt engineering requires such that most of us likely cannot call ourselves prompt engineers.

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3 months ago
1 hour 7 minutes 57 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 019: LLM Evaluation Frameworks

Lots of people like to talk about the importance of prompts, context, and what is sent to an LLM. Few discuss the even more important aspect of an LLM-driven system in evaluating its output.

In this episode, we discuss traditional and modern metrics used to evaluate LLM outputs. And, we review the common frameworks for obtaining that feedback.

Though evals are a lot of work (and easy to do poorly), those building (or buying) LLM-driven systems should be transparent about their process and the current state of their eval framework.

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3 months ago
1 hour 28 minutes 29 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 018: Data Privacy and Security Considerations When Working with LLMs

Jake and David chat about best practices and considerations for those building and using AI systems that leverage LLMs.

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4 months ago
1 hour 11 minutes 52 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 017 - Demystifying how GenAI Works

Jake and David chat about types of GenAI, and specifically how LLMs work—from input text or audio through the output you read.

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4 months ago
1 hour 45 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 016: What would you trust an LLM with?

Jake and I chat about current hot topics in the LLM space and what we would (and would not) trust an LLM with.

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4 months ago
1 hour 9 minutes 33 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 015: Welcome to the Era of Experience

Jake and I chat about a forthcoming book chapter titled, "Welcome to the Era of Experience" by David Silver and Richard Sutton (link below). This—naturally—led other topics to surface, such as companies staffed entirely by AI agents (which turned out as well as that sounds); superintelligence (we might be legally required to reference this during the 2025 AI hype cycle); and how practical systems built on these ideas would even be architected (we both came in with different ideas here which was fun). Happy listening.


Links to things mentioned:

  • Smith, D., & Sutton, R. S. (April 26, 2025). Welcome to the Era of Experience. Preprint of a chapter to appear in Designing an Intelligence. MIT Press.
  • Sutton, R. S., & Barto, A. G. (2015). Reinforcement Learning: An Introduction. The MIT Press.
  • Wilkins, J. (April 27, 2025). Professors Staffed a Fake Company Entirely With AI Agents, and You'll Never Guess What Happened. Who would have thought? [Friendly write-up of the agentic company work]
  • Xu, F. F., Song, Y., Li, B., Tang, Y., Jain, K., Bao, M., ..., & Neubig, G. (2024). TheAgentCompany: Benchmarking LLM agents on consequential real world tasks. arXiv:2412.14161. [Actual study.]
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6 months ago
56 minutes 28 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 014: Conversation with Dr. Beth Garrison

In this episode, we chat with Dr. Beth Garrison about her journey in behavior analysis, what led her to pursue a PhD in artificial intelligence, and her thoughts on where this is all headed.


Links to the papers Dr. Garrison references:

  • Exploring Engagement Opportunities for Autistic Children: Using AAC as a Controller in a Wizard-of-Oz Coloring Game: https://doi.org/10.1145/3701193
  • Understanding the experience of neurodivergent workers in image and text data annotation: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chbr.2023.100318
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6 months ago
52 minutes 24 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 013: The Quantified Self

In this episode, David talks about the dataset he's been collecting on his own, daily behavior over the last 15 years; and, how behavior science + data science let him do neat things with it.

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6 months ago
54 minutes 54 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 012: Backyard Behavior Analysis- Squirrels and Cigarettes

Jake talks about his backyard science project where he used computer vision to detect squirrels in his backyard.

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7 months ago
50 minutes 18 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 011: What is Unsupervised Machine Learning? And, Why Should You Care?

In this episode, we dive into some basics around unsupervised machine learning and how behavior analysts might use it in their work.

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7 months ago
1 hour 7 minutes 2 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 010: Guest Chat with Zach Morford

Episode 010: Guest Chat with Zach Morford

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8 months ago
1 hour 13 minutes 41 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 009: What does it take to go end-to-end with an AI application? Part III - The Deployment Lifecycle

Episode 009: What does it take to go end-to-end with an AI application? Part III - The Deployment Lifecycle

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8 months ago
50 minutes 4 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 008: What does it take to go end-to-end with an AI application? Part II - The Model Lifecycle

In this episode, we discuss the end-to-end pipeline when creating a model.

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9 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes 59 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 007: What does it take to go end-to-end with an AI application? Part I - The Data Lifecycle

In this episode, we talk about the many components of data engineering and parallel work data scientists get into as data moves from its data collection source to being ready for modeling.

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9 months ago
51 minutes 14 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
Episode 006: Bridging the Research-to-Practice Gap in BDS

In this episode, we discuss common barriers and solutions for bridging the research-to-practice gap in behavioral data science. We also talk about many of the ways that data science or AI research differs from behavior science research in terms of practitioners' ability to integrate findings quickly into practice.

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9 months ago
1 hour 20 minutes 42 seconds

The Behavioral Data Science Podcast
A podcast for those interested in what's going on at the intersection of behavior science and data science.