Guest:
Dr. Jessica Spence Moss — Executive Director of the Interfaith Youth Alliance, professor, and Latter-day Saint whose work helps youth use faith and values as a moral compass for service and compassion.
In this episode:
How interfaith work strengthens, not threatens, faith
The difference between serving and proselyting
Helping youth find meaning through connection and discomfort
Why learning others’ “spiritual languages” can deepen our own
The power of showing up with love and humility in divided times
Mentioned in this episode:
Upcoming with That’s Church:
🌍 From Bias to Belonging: An Interfaith Call to Compassion — Friday, December 6 at Compass Gallery. Join Rabbi Sam Spector and Imam Shuaib Din as they share the stage for a courageous and hopeful conversation about unity and peacemaking during a time of global tension.
📚 That’s Church Book Club — explore faith, growth, and belonging with us.
⛪ Christmas Eve Field Trip — a peaceful morning visiting a local congregation together.
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Rising Violet
Before we dive in, we want to highlight Rising Violet, the nonprofit Tiffany founded. Rising Violet provides one-time $1,000 gifts to women pursuing financial independence, with priority given to mothers who once relied on a partner and now need to be self-supporting. Applications are accepted three times a year (deadlines: Jan 31, May 31, Sep 30). Applicants must live in the U.S., complete a short essay and call with a board member, and consent to a background check limited to financial crimes. These gifts are a powerful way to help women move toward stability with dignity.
Episode summary
Allyson Reynolds and Tiffany Sowby, co-hosts of The Sisterhood Podcast, join us to talk about friendship, faith, and the power of hard conversations. Their podcast was born out of a love for women’s stories and a need for candid dialogue around the intersection of faith, politics, social issues, and interfaith experiences. Together, they’ve built a space where women who love the gospel but sometimes struggle with the church can feel less alone.
About our guests
The Sisterhood Podcast grew from Allyson and Tiffany’s years of writing and organizing with Power of Moms. Over time it has evolved into an encouraging place for women across the faith spectrum—orthodox, nuanced, or post-LDS.
• Allyson grew up mostly in the Midwest, has lived all over the U.S., and now lives in Minnesota.
• Tiffany was born and raised in England and now lives in Utah. Together they’re raising nine kids, plus a dog and some goats.
What we cover
• The friendship and creative spark that led to The Sisterhood Podcast
• Why they resisted becoming “just another Mormon mom podcast” and leaned into broader women’s issues
• How interfaith experiences shaped their faith and outlook
• Backing each other up in church conversations, not just speaking out
• Creating a welcoming space across the faith spectrum
• Why practice makes hard conversations easier
Stories & themes
• Tiffany’s interfaith childhood: growing up LDS near London alongside Catholic, Muslim, and Hindu friends
• Allyson’s perspective shift: from an “only true church” mindset in the Midwest to learning from a Muslim roommate at BYU and later a mission in Japan
• Utah culture chats: the “mission field” mindset and assumptions about who is or isn’t LDS
• Learning to speak up: why courage and community matter in making space for diverse voices
Books mentioned
• If the Tide Turns — Rachel Rueckert
• The Distance Between Us — Reyna Grande
• The Courage to Be Disliked — Ichiro Kishimi & Fumitake Koga
Light-hearted closers
Stories of bumpers needing babysitters, surprise window encounters after a shower, and awkward pediatrician moments because we always end with humor.
Connect with us
Follow along for updates on episodes, events, field trips, and our upcoming retreat:
• Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast
• Website: thatschurch.org
Guests:
Ashli Carnicelli – Writer, singer, and passionate believer in the Divine Feminine
Trina Caudle – Editor, historian, scoutmaster, and macro-photographer
McArthur Krishna – Author, artist, and advocate for spiritual wholeness
Topics Covered:
Ashli’s Catholic upbringing and connection to Mary, the mother of Jesus
McArthur’s years in India and insights into Hindu goddesses and the Divine Feminine
Trina’s interfaith experience as a scoutmaster in Methodist and Presbyterian spaces
Tangible stories of connection with Heavenly Mother
How Mother in Heaven: A Gospel Topics Essay Study Guide came to life
Advice for those just beginning to explore their relationship with Heavenly Mother
Resources Mentioned:
📘 Mother in Heaven: A Gospel Topics Essay Study Guide – Order on Amazon
📝 Gospel Topics Essay: Mother in Heaven – Read it here
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🎧 Listen to Meagan’s podcast Beyond the Shadow of Doubt wherever you get your podcasts
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In Part Two, we continue our conversation with Casey McFarland co-host of Pioneering Paradox. This time, we explore:
Casey’s experience attending 50+ churches with his wife and kids
What interfaith experiences taught him about faith and empathy
The power of curiosity in healing spiritual and cultural divides
Why he believes God “has no favorites”
Reflections on sacred texts like the Bhagavad Gita and the Qur’an
His upcoming Italy tours and Superstition Tour with Patrick Mason
His role on our new That’s Church nonprofit board as Executive Research Board Member
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Instagram: @pioneeringparadox
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In this episode, we sit down with Casey McFarland, co-host along with Wil Wood of Pioneering Paradox and the voice behind one of Instagram’s most thoughtful spaces for conflicted Latter-day Saints. We discuss:
How to talk to teens about Church history and faith struggles
What it means to be honest without oversharing
Casey’s own break from religion and what he learned visiting over 50 churches
Building bridges between nuanced and orthodox members
Casey’s Italy tours and upcoming Superstition Tour with Patrick Mason
Big news: That’s Church is now an official nonprofit! And Casey has joined our board as Executive Research Board Member. Stay tuned, we’ve got exciting things ahead.
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Guest: Kurt Francom
• Founder and Executive Director of Leading Saints
• Host of the Leading Saints Podcast – available anywhere you get your podcasts
• Author of Is God Disappointed in Me? Removing Shame from a Gospel of Grace – Get it here on Amazon (available in paperback and audio)
Follow Kurt on Instagram:@leadingsaints
Episode Highlights:
• Kurt’s perspective on grace and why God isn’t disappointed in us
• The difference between correction and disappointment
• The role of grace and commandments in our relationship with God
• How visiting other faiths has enriched his spiritual understanding
🎉 Upcoming Event! 🎉
Join us for our Divine Feminine and Women’s Empowerment Event on National Women’s Day, March 8th, from 5 PM to 8 PM at The Compass Gallery in Provo, Utah.
✨ This event is for both men and women who want to explore the power of the divine feminine through art, conversation, and meaningful connections.
🎟️ Get your tickets now at: tinyurl.com/empower2025
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In this episode of That’s Church!, we sit down with Kristy Lawson, who grew up Lutheran in Utah, an experience that made her part of a religious minority in a predominantly LDS culture. We talk about how that shaped her beliefs, the ways she connected with faith, and how she’s navigated life in a place where the majority religion can be deeply ingrained in the culture.
Kristy is also legally blind, and later in the episode, we have an open and insightful discussion about how her vision has impacted her life. She shares stories of overcoming obstacles, building resilience, and even how her work as a massage therapist has given her a unique perspective on human connection.
But that’s not all—Kristy is also an incredibly talented musician! She was the lead singer in a band and even opened for several well-known artists. Check out her music here: Kristy Lawson - Live Performance.
We also talk about:
✨ The differences between religious communities in Utah
✨ Navigating friendships and faith identity in a dominant religious culture
✨ How vision challenges shaped Kristy’s personal strength
✨ The importance of genuine kindness and breaking down barriers between people of different backgrounds
Don’t forget to grab your tickets for our upcoming Divine Feminine and Women’s Empowerment Event on March 8th! Get yours at tinyurl.com/empower2025.
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Happy New Year! In this very raw and real conversation, we sit down with Pastor Jeff McCullough, the creator of Hello Saints, a YouTube channel with over 66,000 subscribers where he explores the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with a refreshing and respectful approach. As an evangelical Protestant pastor, Pastor Jeff brings a unique perspective to interfaith dialogue.
We really enjoyed discussing the nuances of each other’s religions — it was a fascinating and thought-provoking conversation. Jeff shares his experiences visiting LDS services, his views on connection, love, and the importance of growing through tension.
We discuss:
• Jeff’s inspiring sermon at Sego Church in South Jordan, Utah
• Commonalities and differences between evangelical and LDS beliefs
• How interfaith conversations build understanding
• Facing fear and embracing growth through discomfort
• Jeff’s personal journey into building his very viral Youtube channel and exploring the LDS faith
Jeff’s peaceful approach to building bridges across religious communities reminds us of the beauty of unity over uniformity.
Guest: Pastor Jeff McCullough – Hello Saints on YouTube
Watch Jeff’s channel: Hello Saints YouTube
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In this episode, Emilie Call and Ashlie Sanders sit down with Michelle Peper, the voice behind @edge_of_inside, to discuss her journey from a sixth-generation Mormon upbringing to redefining her faith and spirituality after leaving the LDS Church. Michelle shares her experiences navigating a faith transition with her husband, Bob, finding a new religious home in the First Congregational United Church of Christ, and building a supportive community through social media.
Michelle also talks about her meaningful work as a crisis counselor with The Trevor Project, as well as her passions for music, soapmaking, hiking, pickleball, and, of course, spending time with her beloved dogs.
Topics Covered:
• Michelle’s six-generation LDS heritage and life in Southern Idaho
• Her and Bob’s shared faith transition and finding a new spiritual community
• The creation of her Instagram account, @edge_of_inside, and its impact
• Redefining religion, God, and meaning-making post-LDS life
• Volunteering with The Trevor Project and its personal rewards
• Finding joy in hobbies and everyday life
Resources Mentioned:
• Michelle’s Instagram: @edge_of_inside
• First Congregational United Church of Christ
Connect With Us:
• Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast
Thank you for tuning in! Share your thoughts on this episode by tagging us and Michelle on Instagram, and let us know what resonated with you. #deconstruction
Guest: Jenan Mohajir
Topics Discussed:
• A heartfelt discussion about the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its ripple effects globally, especially in the United States.
• Reflections on navigating polarization in America and fostering unity through meaningful action.
• The meaningful conversation Jenan had as a Muslim woman with her friend Rebecca Russo, a Jewish woman, exploring their mutual respect and shared hope for peace.
• Practical steps to create peace and foster understanding across lines of difference.
• Jenan’s background as a storyteller, educator, and bridge-builder.
• The power of interfaith dialogue and civically engaged leadership.
• Stories from Jenan’s personal journey, including her family’s inspiring legacy of service.
Resources Mentioned:
• Podcast: Faith in the Elections
• Podcast: Voices of Interfaith America https://www.interfaithamerica.org/voices-of-ia/
• Online Curriculum: Bridge Builder Basics
Key Quotes:
• “True, there is silver under the darkness, but few care to dig in the night for the possible treasure of stars.” – Gwendolyn Brooks, as shared by Jenan.
• “Diversity is not just the differences you like, but also the differences you don’t.” – Ibu Patel, founder of Interfaith America.
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• Subscribe to “That’s Church!” wherever you listen to podcasts.
Thank you for listening! Let’s continue to build bridges, create peace, and respect each other’s stories.
Dr. Julie de Azevedo Hanks PhD LCSW
is a licensed clinical social worker, psychotherapist, relationship expert, performing songwriter, and owner of Wasatch Family Therapy. She specializes in women’s emotional health, relationship struggles, and guiding individuals and couples through faith transitions, mixed-faith dynamics, and spiritual identity shifts. Dr. Hanks empowers others to find their voice, maintain healthy boundaries, and cultivate thriving relationships rooted in authentic values.
Topics Covered:
Resources & Events:
Join Dr. Hanks this January for a specialized program helping couples communicate effectively, bridge understanding, and maintain connection amid differing faith perspectives.
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Summary:
In this episode, we sit down with Cheryl Stout, a former member of the LDS Church who has embraced a journey of self-discovery and spiritual exploration. Cheryl shares her perspectives on:
• Alan Watts’s metaphor of God as the ocean and us as the waves.
• Exploring existentialism, absurdism, and the quest for personal meaning.
• Her experience navigating faith deconstruction and finding empowerment in self-agency.
• The importance of adaptability, creating your own map of reality, and embracing growth.
• Connecting with others authentically and finding acceptance beyond traditional frameworks.
This conversation is packed with thought-provoking ideas and heartfelt reflections on what it means to live authentically and create your own purpose.
Mentioned in This Episode:
• Alan Watts’s philosophies
• Sisyphus and the absurdity of life
• The challenges and rewards of spiritual deconstruction
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• Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast
We’d love to hear your thoughts—what stood out to you in this episode? Share your reflections and join the conversation!
⚠️ Spoiler Alert! In this episode of That’s Church!
You will get unique perspectives from BELIEVERS and NONBELIEVERS!
Ashlie Sanders and Emilie Call are joined by their brother Jake Coon, his wife Mandy Coon, and their friend Cheryl Stout to dive deep into the powerful and polarizing new movie Heretic. The film follows two LDS sister missionaries who visit an investigator’s home, only to encounter a surprising challenge to their faith as he introduces them to a religion he claims is the “one true faith.”
Ashlie and Emilie bring their perspectives as active members of the LDS Church, while Jake, Mandy, and Cheryl—former members who are now post-Mormon—offer unique insights from their personal spiritual journeys. With Emilie and Jake having both served LDS missions as young adults, the group brings a depth of understanding and lived experience to the discussion, exploring how the film resonates across a spectrum of beliefs.
This spoiler-heavy discussion includes:
• The central themes of Heretic and its thought-provoking portrayal of faith exploration.
• A breakdown of the movie’s take on truth, belief, and spirituality.
• Insights from active LDS members and post-Mormons with unique spiritual journeys.
• Reactions from those within the LDS Church, former members, and people of other faiths.
⚠️ Spoiler Alert: Watch Heretic before listening if you want to avoid spoilers!
This conversation is sure to leave you reflecting on faith, truth, and the human search for meaning. And don’t forget—our next episode features Cheryl Stout, where we delve into her deeply personal philosophies and inspiring spiritual journey.
Follow us on Instagram @thatschurchpodcast for updates, and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts to make sure you never miss an episode!
In this episode, we explore:
• Onkar and Bryn’s backgrounds and how their faith traditions shaped their upbringing.
• The story of how they met and how their love of chocolate chip cookies sparked their connection.
• Navigating a mixed-faith marriage, with Onkar’s Hindu and Bryn’s LDS beliefs, and the importance of respect and mutual understanding.
• How they’re raising their daughter, Jasmira, with a foundation that honors both faiths, including shared values of community and spirituality.
• The significance of traditions like refraining from eating meat on Tuesdays in honor of Hanuman, and how these practices foster a sense of identity and belonging.
• Their personal practices for connecting with God and spirituality outside of church, such as experiencing the beauty of nature, music, and the simple joys of family life.
• Bryn’s poignant story of finding strength through the presence of her ancestors and her journey of developing a personalized relationship with God.
• Onkar’s reflections on prayer as a source of peace and guidance, especially during difficult times, and the importance of feeling connected to something greater.
• Funny and heartfelt moments, including Bryn’s unforgettable story of locking herself in a bathroom while nannying!
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Happy Halloween! In this episode, we sit down with “Maddie,” a former member of the LDS Church and a practicing pagan who also identifies as a witch. Halloween, or Samhain, holds deep historical significance within pagan and witchcraft traditions. Maddie assures us that releasing this episode on Halloween is not only appropriate but a respectful nod to her journey in reclaiming her own spiritual path. Read more about Halloween’s pagan roots here.
We love the beautiful art she created for us to depict her for this episode. ♥️
Ashlie and I met Maddie by chance in a store, and from there, our connection blossomed into an open, fascinating discussion on her spirituality, paganism, and witchcraft. She even visited us for a Reiki session that was healing, accurate, and transformative.
Topics Covered
• Introduction to Paganism and Witchcraft
Maddie explains the difference between paganism, witchcraft, and Wicca, highlighting that paganism is rooted in earth-centered beliefs, while Wicca, though influential, has certain elements she doesn’t fully embrace.
• Astrology and Divination
Maddie shares her love for astrology, tarot, and palm reading, explaining how these practices help her connect with nature and the divine. She dispels myths and discusses the spiritual and psychological aspects of these arts.
• Christianity and Witchcraft Coexistence
Maddie combines her Christian beliefs with her pagan practices, finding Jesus as a deity within her belief system. She discusses the misunderstandings in both pagan and Christian circles around this integration.
• Women’s Empowerment and the Divine Feminine
Maddie finds strength and freedom in paganism’s embrace of the divine feminine, in contrast to the LDS Church’s limited roles for women. She reflects on the empowering aspect of femininity celebrated in her current faith.
• Nature as Sacred
Nature is deeply sacred for Maddie. She describes meaningful experiences in the forests of Washington state and her deep connection with animals, explaining how nature plays a central role in her spiritual practices.
• Community and Solitude in Paganism
Although often practiced alone, paganism allows for community through covens. Maddie, however, is a solitary practitioner, cherishing her one-on-one connection with her beliefs, with a shout-out to her beloved familiar, a jumping spider named Arlo.
Tune in to explore Maddie’s rich, nuanced worldview, her journey from LDS roots to a pagan identity, and the inspiring message that spirituality is a deeply personal and evolving journey.
In this episode, Ashlie and her sister Emilie sit down with Meagan Skidmore from @meaganskidmorecoaching to have a deep and vulnerable conversation about their belief systems, deconstruction and reconstruction of faith, and what led them to start this interfaith podcast. Meagan shares how their paths crossed and how important these conversations are in creating spaces for discussions often left unspoken in their communities.
Join us for an Interfaith Event on November 2nd at the Compass Gallery from 5 PM to 8 PM. Tickets are available at tinyurl.com/thatschurch, and our listeners can get 50% off with Code: MEAGANSKIDMORECOACHING.
You can also listen to all of Meagan’s amazing conversations on her podcast Beyond the Shadow of Doubt wherever you find your podcasts.
Follow us on Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast.
In the second half of the episode, Emilie shares her personal journey of discovering who God is to her and her conclusion about Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother. The discussion also touches on how each of the hosts has navigated faith transitions and learned to embrace different perspectives in the process.
Don’t forget to attend our Interfaith Event on November 2nd at the Compass Gallery! Tickets are available at tinyurl.com/thatschurch, and use the code MEAGANSKIDMORECOACHING for 50% off.
You can listen to all of Meagan’s inspiring conversations on her podcast Beyond the Shadow of Doubt wherever you find your podcasts.
Follow us on Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast.
Part 2 of Dr. Patrick Mason’s interview is now available to the public for FREE! 🎉 If you haven’t listened to Part 1 yet, head back to Episode 19 and catch up first!
Dr. Mason will also be speaking live at A That’s Church Experience on November 2nd from 5 PM - 8 PM at the Compass Gallery in Provo, Utah. He will be one of the presenters, along with four other amazing presenters from different faiths. 🌟 Don’t miss this incredible opportunity to hear him and others share their insights on interfaith connections and community.
Patrick Mason, a renowned author and scholar, brings profound insights into navigating faith in today’s complex world. As the author of influential works like Planted and Restoration, he offers wisdom on building bridges across faith communities with empathy and understanding. Patrick is also the co-host of the new podcast Proclaim Peace, produced by Mormon Women for Ethical Government and Faith Matters. The podcast explores ways to foster appreciation and connection between different faith traditions.
In this episode, Patrick discusses practical steps for engaging productively with the world and cultivating inclusivity within religious cultures. He also tackles sensitive topics like the role of women in the LDS church and rethinking the narrative of religious exclusivity to promote interfaith dialogue. Listen to Part 2 of this conversation for free and dive deeper into Patrick’s thought-provoking ideas on how we can address big issues with measurable solutions.
**Episode Summary:**
In this powerful episode, Mandy Green joins us for an insightful conversation about Mary Magdalene, one of the most misunderstood yet pivotal figures in Christian history. Together, we explore how Mary’s life and legacy provide deep spiritual insights for today’s world. Mandy unpacks the transformative role Mary Magdalene plays in her own faith journey and how she symbolizes liberation, healing, and nurturing for so many.
**Key Discussion Points:**
- **Mary Magdalene's Role in Christian History**: How Mary’s presence and actions have been historically underrepresented but remain deeply influential.
- **Spiritual Significance**: Mandy shares how Mary Magdalene has become a spiritual anchor, helping to sustain faith by offering a model of healing, compassion, and strength.
- **Healing and Liberation**: The conversation touches on the deeper symbolic meaning of feeding the hungry and freeing the captives—both literal and spiritual interpretations.
- **Excavating the Texts**: A discussion on how much can be learned from the few canonized texts and how Mary Magdalene’s story is present if we’re willing to dig deeper.
- **Empowerment Through Mary Magdalene’s Example**: Insights into how Mary’s life story can guide and inspire those seeking to break chains and find healing in their own lives.
**Quotes from the Episode:**
- "Mary Magdalene feeds the hungry, liberates the captives, and heals wounds we’ve carried for so long."
- "She really is the balm to this wound if we will examine her life and look at the few things we have left."
- "It’s in exploring her legacy that we find clues to quench our spiritual thirst and nourish our hunger."
**Resources Mentioned:**
- References to scriptural texts and historical accounts of Mary Magdalene.
- Mandy Green’s reflections on her personal faith journey and connection with Mary.
**Tune in to Learn:**
- How Mary Magdalene’s life can serve as a guidepost for those seeking deeper spiritual connection.
- What we can learn by revisiting her story and reimagining her role in spiritual history.
**Follow Us:**
For more episodes and updates, follow us on Instagram @thatschurchpodcast and stay connected for more discussions about faith, spirituality, and the incredible women who shape our understanding of both.
PART 2
**Episode Summary:**
In this powerful episode, Mandy Green joins us for an insightful conversation about Mary Magdalene, one of the most misunderstood yet pivotal figures in Christian history. Together, we explore how Mary’s life and legacy provide deep spiritual insights for today’s world. Mandy unpacks the transformative role Mary Magdalene plays in her own faith journey and how she symbolizes liberation, healing, and nurturing for so many.
**Key Discussion Points:**
- **Mary Magdalene's Role in Christian History**: How Mary’s presence and actions have been historically underrepresented but remain deeply influential.
- **Spiritual Significance**: Mandy shares how Mary Magdalene has become a spiritual anchor, helping to sustain faith by offering a model of healing, compassion, and strength.
- **Healing and Liberation**: The conversation touches on the deeper symbolic meaning of feeding the hungry and freeing the captives—both literal and spiritual interpretations.
- **Excavating the Texts**: A discussion on how much can be learned from the few canonized texts and how Mary Magdalene’s story is present if we’re willing to dig deeper.
- **Empowerment Through Mary Magdalene’s Example**: Insights into how Mary’s life story can guide and inspire those seeking to break chains and find healing in their own lives.
**Quotes from the Episode:**
- "Mary Magdalene feeds the hungry, liberates the captives, and heals wounds we’ve carried for so long."
- "She really is the balm to this wound if we will examine her life and look at the few things we have left."
- "It’s in exploring her legacy that we find clues to quench our spiritual thirst and nourish our hunger."
**Resources Mentioned:**
- References to scriptural texts and historical accounts of Mary Magdalene.
- Mandy Green’s reflections on her personal faith journey and connection with Mary.
**Tune in to Learn:**
- How Mary Magdalene’s life can serve as a guidepost for those seeking deeper spiritual connection.
- What we can learn by revisiting her story and reimagining her role in spiritual history.
**Follow Us:**
For more episodes and updates, follow us on Instagram @thatschurchpodcast and stay connected for more discussions about faith, spirituality, and the incredible women who shape our understanding of both.