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TC Talk
A Bakke
36 episodes
5 days ago
Abi is a professor of technical communication and rhetoric; Benton... is not. Abi reads scholarly articles; Benton reads science fiction. And they are both connoisseurs of mixed drinks and bad puns. Listen in as they connect the academic to the everyday, spanning topics like misinformation, science communication, digital rhetoric, and health and medical writing. Go to http://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/ for transcripts and show notes.
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Abi is a professor of technical communication and rhetoric; Benton... is not. Abi reads scholarly articles; Benton reads science fiction. And they are both connoisseurs of mixed drinks and bad puns. Listen in as they connect the academic to the everyday, spanning topics like misinformation, science communication, digital rhetoric, and health and medical writing. Go to http://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/ for transcripts and show notes.
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TC Talk
The case for climate hope: A talk with Dr. Stephanie Rollag Yoon

For this episode of TC Talk: A Tech Comm Podcast, Abi and Benton interview Dr. Rollag Yoon, a professor of English Education and curriculum editor for the Journal of Climate Literacy in Education. We talk about definitions of climate literacy, how to communicate about climate to young people, and why hope needs to be part of the message. Check out ClimateLit.org, which features tons of teaching resources.

The TC Talk webpage has transcripts and sources.

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1 month ago
52 minutes 27 seconds

TC Talk
Listen to this

Benton and Abi agree to disagree about how to disagree.


In our "polarized" political climate, what value is there in a rhetoric that doesn't aim to change minds? Is it possible to embody empathetic listening while protecting ourselves from harmful views?


They discuss their not-especially-successful attempts to converse with undecided voters as the election nears, and how presidential debates aren't the right format for solving problems. Abi gives a quick rundown of alternatives to persuasion throughout the rhetorical tradition, culminating in the 2022 book Rhetorical Listening in Action by Ratcliffe & Jensen.


Stay to the end for Abi's most embarrassing high school debate experience.


Sources and further reading

  • Braver Angels. (n.d.). Our Mission. Braver Angels. Retrieved October 21, 2024, from https://braverangels.org/our-mission/
  • Burke, K. (1969). A Grammar of Motives. University of California Press.
  • Compassionate Listening Project. (n.d.). History. CompassionateListening. Retrieved October 21, 2024, from https://www.compassionatelistening.org/history
  • Foss, S. K., & Griffin, C. L. (1995). Beyond persuasion: A proposal for an invitational rhetoric. Communications Monographs, 62(1), 2–18.
  • Gearhart, S. M. (1979). The womanization of rhetoric. Women’s Studies International Quarterly, 2(2), 195–201.
  • Heller, C. (2015, March 9). Life Inside Jabba the Hutt: Toby Philpott Explains How Puppeteers Operated Jabba the Hutt. The Atlantic. https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/387298/life-inside-jabba-the-hutt/
  • Inman, M. (n.d.) "Piggers are going all the way this year." The Oatmeal. https://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences2/locker_room
  • Jarratt, S. C. (1991). Feminism and composition: The case for conflict. Contending with Words: Composition and Rhetoric in a Postmodern Age, 105–123.
  • Organizing and protest security culture. (2022, March). [Audio recording]. The Poor Proles Skillshare. https://open.spotify.com/show/2Xb99VLft9T9ObBLFJkj3n
  • Perelman, C., & Olbrechts-Tyteca, L. (1973). The New Rhetoric: A Treatise on Argumentation. University of Notre Dame Pess.
  • Quintilian. (1987). Quintilian on the teaching of speaking and writing: Translations from books one, two, and ten of the Institutio Oratoria (J. J. Murphy, Trans.). SIU Press.
  • Ratcliffe, K., & Jensen, K. (2022). Rhetorical Listening in Action: A Concept-Tactic Approach. Parlor Press LLC.
  • Talking radical politics with Dr. Ayesha Khan. (2022, March). [Podcast episode]. The Poor Proles Skillshare. https://open.spotify.com/show/2Xb99VLft9T9ObBLFJkj3n
  • Talking Sense: Navigating relationships across political divides. (2024, September 5). MPR News. https://www.mprnews.org/episode/2024/09/04/talking-sense-navigating-relationships-across-political-divides
  • Weil, Z., & Goodall, J. (2024). The Solutionary Way: Transform Your Life, Your Community, and the World for the Better. New Society Publishers.
  • WeRateDogs (Director). (2024, September 30). Tim Walz and His Rescue Dog Scout | WeWalkDogs [Video recording]. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spiwlde4kys

Music credits: 

  • Opening theme:  S: Disco Funk Loop by SergeQuadrado | License: Attribution NonCommercial 3.0
  • Julius Fučík (1897) "Entrance of the Gladiators" op. 68

Visit https://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/ for transcript.

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1 year ago
1 hour 22 minutes 54 seconds

TC Talk
Recycling: You still don't get it

Recycling or trash? It's a question you may have asked yourself when faced with a gross can, a heavily-stickered art project, or some weird plastic thing. Benton hijacks the podcast to teach Abi the behind-the-scenes of the recycling process: How it works, how effective it is, the consequences of "wish-cycling," and why plastic sucks so much. He addresses what steps you can take to make recycling work better, besides just putting things in the right bin.

Sources and further reading

TC Talk episodes mentioned:

  • “Cult rhetoric.” https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/techcommtalk/episodes/Cult-rhetoric-e1b1gpi/a-a70h9n0
  • “Tech comm from outer space: More lessons from alien movies.” https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/techcommtalk/episodes/Tech-comm-from-outer-space-More-lessons-from-alien-movies-e1md55n/a-a8cdbc1

Wikipedia articles mentioned:

  • “Recycling” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recycling
  • “Sustainability” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainability
  • “Microplastics” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microplastics
  • “Greenwashing.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwashing
  • “Wishcycling.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishcycling

Music credits:

  • Opening theme:  S: Disco Funk Loop by SergeQuadrado | License: Attribution NonCommercial 3.0
  • Ensemble. (2008). “So they say” [Song]. On Dr. Horrible’s Sing Along Blog Soundtrack [Album]. Mutant Enemy.
  • Wheatus. (2000). “Teenage dirtbag” [Song]. On Wheatus [Album]. Columbia.

Image credit:

  • Siera Wild, “Recycling sign green.png.” CC BY-SA 4.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0>, via Wikimedia Commons

Transcript at https://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/podcast/recycling-you-still-dont-get-it/

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1 year ago
1 hour 48 minutes 19 seconds

TC Talk
Dealing with climate doom

Benton and Abi feel bad about climate change. As they should. They talk about how to channel negative emotions into productive action, as recommended in the book Facing the Climate Emergency by Margaret Klein Salamon.


Transcript and sources can be found at http://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/


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1 year ago
52 minutes 41 seconds

TC Talk
Accessibility and AI

An interview with Dr. Dawn Armfield of Minnesota State, Mankato about how accessibility intersects with artificial intelligence. She shares about AI in teaching, visual AI, inclusivity, ethics, classroom technology, and her current research on virtual reality for young adults with cognitive disabilities. Find Dawn at her faculty bio or her Instagram @dawn_armfield.

Plus, what does AI have to do with fungus?

Find transcript and show notes at https://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/

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2 years ago
41 minutes 33 seconds

TC Talk
How to read, revisited

How to turn off your inner literature professor and create a habit of reading for enjoyment.


For transcripts and sources, visit https://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/

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2 years ago
59 minutes 39 seconds

TC Talk
IBM and the Holocaust, Part 2

This is part 2 of 2 about the book IBM and the Holocaust by Edwin Black. In Part 1, we described how IBM, through its German subsidiary Dehomag, supported the mass extermination of the Jewish people. How do we know IBM's involvement made a difference in the scope of the mass murders? One clue comes from comparing how things went down in the Netherlands vs. France. We also talk about surveillance, ethical hacking, why the logical fallacy "argumentum / reductio ad Hitlerum" shouldn't be a thing, and what the story of IBM and the Holocaust has to do with UX design. For transcripts and sources, visit https://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/

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2 years ago
39 minutes 57 seconds

TC Talk
IBM and the Holocaust, Part 1

Nazi Germany systematically identified, relocated, and murdered millions of Jewish people during the Holocaust. But how were they able to kill so many so efficiently? IBM equipment played a key role. Meanwhile, IBM CEO Thomas J. Watson got rich off of Nazi Germany and strategically escaped scrutiny for his collaboration. In this episode, drawing on Edwin Black's book IBM and the Holocaust, Abi explains how intertwined IBM and Nazi Germany were by tracing their paths through the Hitler years.

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2 years ago
46 minutes 31 seconds

TC Talk
BONUS: All the jokes we couldn't fit in the last episode

More jokes, ChatGPT-generated and otherwise, cut from the recording for the "AI is a joke" episode

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2 years ago
8 minutes 32 seconds

TC Talk
AI is a joke

We reflect on AI text generators, creativity, technical communication, writing instruction, algorithmic literacy, magic, and more. Importantly, we reveal the results of our Twitter experiment: Are we funnier than a robot? (Results were mixed.) Also, find out what happens when we drink an AI-generated cocktail recipe and ask ChatGPT to write a stand-up routine about the ethics of artificial intelligence. 

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2 years ago
54 minutes 48 seconds

TC Talk
Disaster comm, Part 3: Constant vigilance

This is the last of our 3-part series in which we discuss The Devil Never Sleeps: Learning to Live in an Age of Disaster, by Juliette Kayyem. In this episode, we talk about the importance of continually examining your systems, and learning from mini disasters instead of brushing them off.  Finally, we put our newfound knowledge to the test when a baking attempt goes awry. Content warning: Gun violence.

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2 years ago
41 minutes 18 seconds

TC Talk
Disaster comm, Part 2: Listening downward

This is part 2 of our 3-part series on disaster communication, where we are discussing the book The Devil Never Sleeps: Learning to Live in an Age of Disaster, by Juliette Kayyem. Last time, we talked about the barriers that make comprehending and communicating about crisis challenging. This time, using cases such as Hurricane Katrina and the Deepwater Horizon explosion, we address how to overcome those barriers and get quality info to the people who need it. The first step is listening downward, or gathering info from people who are closest to disaster.

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2 years ago
43 minutes 23 seconds

TC Talk
Disaster comm, Part 1: Disaster is the new normal

Many organizations focus on preventing disaster from happening, but don't have plans in place for when disaster inevitably does happen. And as climate change worsens, we need to buckle up for living in an age of disaster. What does this mean for communicating about risk, crisis, and disaster? To answer this question, Benton shares insights from the book The Devil Never Sleeps by Juliette Kayyem. Benton and Abi also discuss their own very different reactions to disaster in their own lives, as well as their favorite zombie media.

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2 years ago
49 minutes 20 seconds

TC Talk
Podcasting as tech comm

We spoke with Dr. Joseph Robertshaw about his show, The Podcast of Podcasts, and the potential that podcasting holds for everyday technical communicators: students, professionals, educators, and even homesteading enthusiasts.

For transcripts and sources, visit https://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/

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3 years ago
27 minutes 32 seconds

TC Talk
A chat with vaccine trial participants

We sat down with our friends Lindsey and David to talk about medical misinformation and its effects on relationships, the challenge of choosing what to trust in the swirl of constantly changing pandemic info, and the role that communication can play in increasing access to vaccines and clinical trials.  Lindsey and David also tell the story of their family's participation in clinical trials for the COVID vaccines, and the surprising ways it changed their views on social media and the medical research process.

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3 years ago
55 minutes 52 seconds

TC Talk
Tech comm from outer space: More lessons from alien movies

TC Talk opens its 2nd season with a special episode for the Big Rhetorical Podcast Carnival 2022. We took our own (very literal) spin on the Carnival theme "Rhetoric: Spaces and Places in and Beyond the Academy" and discuss the epic communication challenge of alien-to-human contact, as portrayed in film. From Arrival to Close Encounters of the Third Kind, sci-fi movies have a lot to teach us about technical communication, audiences, and empathy. Don't forget your towel!

For transcripts and sources, visit https://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/

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3 years ago
55 minutes 27 seconds

TC Talk
UX, Part 4: Teaching beyond the textbook

In this final part of the UX series, we share some ways instructors can help students to see user experience and usability as the rhetorical, human, and messy processes that they are. We also celebrate the season finale of TC Talk with a game show, Wheel of Exigencies, during which you will meet the new celebrity spokesperson for Course Hero!

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3 years ago
41 minutes 25 seconds

TC Talk
UX, Part 3: Moving the edge case to the middle

What if User Experience professionals, instead of designing for a "universal" user, put their most marginalized audiences first? In this episode, we share how you can invite audiences into classic UX processes including personas, localization, visual methods, and usability. We also discuss the challenges that come with participatory design, and how technical communicators must step into their advocacy role in order to support more socially just UX.

For transcripts and sources, visit https://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/

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3 years ago
57 minutes 57 seconds

TC Talk
UX, Part 2: An Ideate's Guide to UX

Last episode, we focused on UX (user experience) and usability as a discipline; in this episode, we focus on UX as a practice. We discuss various stages of the UX process,  from "empathize" to "ideate" to "prototype." Abi describes typical methods in UX research and testing and when to use them. To demonstrate, she springs a (poorly conducted) usability test on Benton.  Finally, they discuss the typical skills and traits required of UX professionals.

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3 years ago
53 minutes 42 seconds

TC Talk
UX, Part 1: UX-istential questions

Abi and Benton explore the differences between usability and UX (User Experience) through the extended example of a toaster (and share their secret for extra delicious pop-tarts). They discuss the origin of the field of usability and its overlap with technical communication.

For transcripts and sources, visit https://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/

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3 years ago
53 minutes 25 seconds

TC Talk
Abi is a professor of technical communication and rhetoric; Benton... is not. Abi reads scholarly articles; Benton reads science fiction. And they are both connoisseurs of mixed drinks and bad puns. Listen in as they connect the academic to the everyday, spanning topics like misinformation, science communication, digital rhetoric, and health and medical writing. Go to http://faculty.mnsu.edu/tctalk/ for transcripts and show notes.