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Swift over Coffee
Paul Hudson and Mikaela Caron
52 episodes
5 days ago
Swift over Coffee is a podcast that helps you keep your Swift skills up to date the easy way, hosted by Paul Hudson and Mikaela Caron. In each episode we chat about the latest developments in the Swift community, and also host an open ballot where you can share your views on important topics. Follow us on Twitter at @swiftovercoffee. Note: all the discussion from Mikaela and Paul is licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0. Our regular intro/outro music is also licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0, and is called "Dropping out of School" by Brad Sucks.
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Swift over Coffee is a podcast that helps you keep your Swift skills up to date the easy way, hosted by Paul Hudson and Mikaela Caron. In each episode we chat about the latest developments in the Swift community, and also host an open ballot where you can share your views on important topics. Follow us on Twitter at @swiftovercoffee. Note: all the discussion from Mikaela and Paul is licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0. Our regular intro/outro music is also licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0, and is called "Dropping out of School" by Brad Sucks.
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Swift over Coffee
S4E9: Apple Does Sometimes Solve Problems (WWDC25 special)

Mikaela and Paul are – or at least were – live at WWDC25! And dub-dub dominates the chat – what was announced, why it matters, what the concerns are, and what new features developers are excited to get their hands on.

Recorded in front of a live audience! If you were there, have fun remembering what fluffs have been cut out in the edit. If you weren’ t: this is exactly how it went down in the room 🙂‍↕️

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1 month ago
27 minutes 13 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S4E8: Mikaela doesn’t respect Paul

With WWDC25 looming, Paul and Mikaela are as excited as everyone to discover the new features and tools we can use to make amazing new things… but let’s not get too distracted by the new shiny things. In this episode, as well as covering off the news, there’s hard-won advice for new Swift developers, and loads of different takes on how to (and whether to!) monetise your apps.

Plus, is that… is that The Fruitful Trombone of Great Sadness parping a different tune…?


Essential links from the episode:

  • Hacking with Swift sale: https://www.hackingwithswift.com/offers
  • What’s new in SwiftUI? https://www.hackingwithswift.com/swiftui
  • Mikaela Fruitful preorder link: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/digitial-business-card-fruitful/id6449998135
  • Swift Steering Group: https://www.swift.org/ecosystem-steering-group/
  • What’s new in Swift 6.2? https://www.hackingwithswift.com/articles/277/whats-new-in-swift-6-2
  • Apple’s new accessibility features: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/05/apple-unveils-powerful-accessibility-features-coming-later-this-year/
  • How many fraudulent transactions Apple blocks: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/05/the-app-store-prevented-more-than-9-billion-usd-in-fraudulent-transactions/
  • Boots Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory
  • FreemiumKit: https://freemiumkit.app/documentation/index/


Conferences:

  • CommunityKit (9–11 June): https://communitykit.social/
  • One More Thing (9–12 June): https://omt-conf.com/

Conference organisers: we’d love to feature more events here on a regular basis. Get in touch with us when early bird tickets go on sale, or when you announce speakers or something else, and we’ll do our best to feature you!

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1 month ago
52 minutes 57 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S4E7: Progress over perfection

To celebrate Global Accessibility Awareness Day, Mikaela and Paul recorded a special episode live at ARCtic Conference in Oulu, Finland, with a distinguished panel of accessibility champions: Rob Whitaker, Daniel Devesa Derksen-Staats and Klemens Strasse.

If accessibility seems like an overwhelming subject, don’t panic; we show you not just why but also give you tips on how to get started with ensuring your apps are as accessible as possible — and remember the mantra, ‘progress over perfection’!


Essential links from the episode:

  • Global Accessibility Awareness Day: https://accessibility.day
  • ARCtic Conference: https://arcticonference.com
  • Art of Fauna by Klemens Strasser: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/art-of-fauna-cozy-puzzles/id1630468596
  • The practice of inclusive design, by Linda Dong: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10275/
  • Art of Fauna by Klemklem Strasser: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/art-of-fauna-cozy-puzzles/id1630468596
  • Sim Daltonism: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/sim-daltonism/id1050503579
  • Art of Fauna by the World’s Biggest Mandarin Duck Fan: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/art-of-fauna-cozy-puzzles/id1630468596


Conferences:

  • SwiftCraft (19–21 May): https://swiftcraft.uk

Conference organisers: we’d love to feature more events here on a regular basis. Get in touch with us when early bird tickets go on sale, or when you announce speakers or something else, and we’ll do our best to feature you!

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2 months ago
35 minutes 41 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S4E6: The Fruitful Trombone of Great Sadness

Paul and Mikaela come to you live (-ish) from try! Swift Tokyo, where the air is filled with both cherry blossom and excitement about WWDC 2025!

We’ve got advice for attending in-person events (and why we think you should), our first reactions to Swift 6.1 and Swiftly 1.0, plus, the long-running saga of whether Mikaela’s app Fruitful//emwhich would be perfect for something like WWDC, Mikaela, just sayin’ — is finally done. Is it? You’ll have to listen to find out!


Essential links from the episode:

  • Prismic: https://github.com/twostraws/Prismic
  • Fruitful: https://getfruitful.app
  • WWDC repository: https://github.com/twostraws/wwdc/
  • Hue lightbulb: https://www.ryantoken.com/blog/serverless-swift


Conferences:

  • iOSKonf (13–15 May): https://www.ioskonf.mk
  • SwiftCraft (19–21 May): https://swiftcraft.uk


Conference organizers: we’d love to feature more events here on a regular basis. Get in touch with us when early bird tickets go on sale, or when you announce speakers or something else, and we’ll do our best to feature you!

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3 months ago
39 minutes 49 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S4E5: Could you just…?

‘Networking’ is a word to strike fear into the heart of any developer, and upsettingly we’re dealing with both types this episodes: talking to other humans at conferences, but mostly trying to coax computers to talk to each other too.

Plus, our Open Ballot this episode is the trifling little matter of the major changes you’re hoping to see in Xcode, SwiftUI, SwiftData and more as WWDC25 rolls around.

Essential links from the episode:

  • Apple Intelligence delay
  • Original announcement: https://daringfireball.net/2025/03/apple_is_delaying_the_more_personalized_siri_apple_intelligence_features
    • Gruber’s rant: https://daringfireball.net/2025/03/something_is_rotten_in_the_state_of_cupertino
    • Apple introduces age-checking systems https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/27/apple-introduces-new-child-safety-initiatives-including-an-age-checking-system-for-apps/
  • Testing Workgroup https://www.swift.org/testing-workgroup/

Conferences:

  • Swift Heroes (8–9 April): https://swiftheroes.com/2025/
  • try! Swift Tokyo (9–11 April): ⁠⁠https://tryswift.jp/


Conference organizers: we’d love to feature more events here on a regular basis. Get in touch with us when early bird tickets go on sale, or when you announce speakers or something else, and we’ll do our best to feature you!

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4 months ago
33 minutes 5 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S4E4: Naming is hard

Apparently, the secret to a great coding presentation is three Es. You’ll just have to listen to discover if this means Paul is advocating for consuming Class A drugs to get hyped or if they just, like, stand for something inspiring or something. Developers, developers, developers…

Plus, as well as your traditional rundown of the news and upcoming conferences, this episode has excellent advice from Mikaela and from our wonderful community of Swift Over Coffee listeners on how to deal with imposter syndrome. Well, it’s quite good advice. Decent, at least.


Essential links from the episode:

  • Open Source Swift Build: https://www.swift.org/blog/the-next-chapter-in-swift-build-technologies/
  • Updated VSCode extension: https://www.swift.org/blog/vscode-swift-2/
  • Swift on Android Working Group https://forums.swift.org/t/swift-on-android-working-group/77780


Conferences:

  • Let’s Vision: Shanghai (1–2 March): ⁠https://letsvision.swiftgg.team⁠
  • ARCtic conference (11–13 March): ⁠https://arcticonference.com⁠
  • try! Swift Tokyo (9–11 April): ⁠https://tryswift.jp/
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5 months ago
44 minutes 58 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S4E3: The existence of Mikaela

In this episode, we learn that the app that paid for Paul’s house hasn’t even been updated for iPhone X 😶‍🌫️ and Mikaela learns about some useful tools to help with the launch of the app that she absolutely, definitely, 100% is gonna debut in February. 😅 (Pretty sure she meant of 2025, but Paul neglected to press her on this point.)

Plus, time is running out for EU trader status compliance (and some tips about keeping your personal phone number private), a big change to Swift, all the upcoming conferences (where, you know, Mikaela’s app would be incredibly useful…) and we turn the spotlight on some of the brilliant apps the Swift Over Coffee listeners are making.

Essential links from the episode:

  • EU Trader Status: https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=yfacfeal
  • Last expression as return value: https://forums.swift.org/t/pitch-last-expression-as-return-value/76958
  • Apple launched the Advanced Commerce API: https://www.revenuecat.com/blog/growth/what-you-need-to-know-apples-advanced-commerce-api/
  • Swift Student Challenge: https://developer.apple.com/swift-student-challenge/
  • FOSDEM: https://fosdem.org/2025/


Conferences:

  • FOSDEM, Swift Dev Room (1–2 Feb): https://fosdem.org/2025/⁠
  • Let's vision: Shanghai (1–2 March): https://letsvision.swiftgg.team
  • ARCtic conference (11–13 March): https://arcticonference.com
  • try! Swift Tokyo (9–11 April): https://tryswift.jp/


Indie apps:

  • What’s My Age Again: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/whats-my-age-again-widgets/id1608719208
  • Libraried UI Components: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/libraried-ui-components/id1642862540?uo=4
  • LaunchBuddy: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/launchbuddy-indie-developer/id1615169630
  • Pretty QR Code Generator: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/pretty-qr-code-generator/id6736663159
  • Screenshot Studio: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/app-screenshot-tool/id6473832582
  • Sleep Apnea Snore Exercises: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/sleep-apnea-snore-exercises/id6572302789
  • Phonics Readers for kids: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/phonics-readers-for-kids/id1580191576
  • Pestle https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/pestle-recipe-manager/id1574776971
  • FlexiBoard Keyboard Shortcuts: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/flexiboard-keyboard-shortcuts/id6504126669
  • AppDab: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/shipping-apps-faster-appdab/id1612325183
  • Collino: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/collino-discover-board-games/id6739600352
  • Shimmer Browser: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/shimmer-browser/id6739163018
  • Fruitful: https://getfruitful.app
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5 months ago
45 minutes 12 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S4E2: Mikaela is a lesson

Mikaela is joined by the most English-sounding Irishman you've ever heard for an intensive therapy session. We're talking paper cuts in Swift, those tiny annoyances that, sure, don't stop you in your tracks, but wouldn't it be nice if instead of having to cover ourselves in the coding equivalent of a hundred Band-Aids, Apple just… fixed? Please? Empathise, sympathise, and have a nice little scream into the void with us.

Plus there's a roundup of conferences (running one? let us know!) and other Swift news, and we reveal Mikaela's One Weird Trick to actually shipping an app.

Essential links from the episode:

  • Fruitful: https://getfruitful.app
  • Black Friday deals I: https://github.com/mRs-/Black-Friday-Deals
  • Black Friday deals II: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2024/11/25/black-friday-2024/
  • Black Friday deals III: https://indieappsales.com
  • Improving the approachability of data-race safety: https://forums.swift.org/t/prospective-vision-improving-the-approachability-of-data-race-safety/76183
  • James Dempsey’s Swift Virtuoso course: https://swift-virtuoso.com/
  • iOS Conf SG: https://www.iosconf.sg
  • FOSDEM25: https://swiftlang.github.io/event-fosdem/
  • Mazie Conference: https://maize.dk/
  • Let’s visionOS: https://letsvisionos.swiftgg.team/page/
  • ARCtic Conference: https://arcticonference.com
  • WebKit for SwiftUI: https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/pull/36760
  • TelemetryDeck: https://dashboard.telemetrydeck.com/registration/organization?referralCode=MYYXAFU3ZWQHM2CJ (Mikaela’s affiliate link, to get 100k extra signals of the free plan)
  • Write Great Accessibility Labels WWDC 19: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2019/254
  • WebKit: https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/pull/36760
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8 months ago
1 hour 2 minutes 37 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S4E1: You have to sit down and do it

We’re back! Many things have happened over that swift summer break, so pour a coffee and let’s jump right back in. In this episode, we’re talking Apple Intelligence and other code-complete co-pilots, the redesign of swift.org, shiny M4 Macs, good UI (and UX) design, and the Swift Foundation’s move to empower the community to fix tiny annoyances — but the big topic, of course, is how your adoption of Swift 6 has been going. If at all… 👀

This episode is sponsored by Astro, the App Store optimisation toolkit. The first 50 listeners to click https://tryastro.app/offer?campaign_id=swiftovercoffee&utm_source=swiftovercoffee get even more goodies!


Essential links from the episode:

  • Paul's new app, Pocket Assembler: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pocket-assembler/id6737518265
  • GitHub Copilot for Xcode: https://github.com/github/CopilotForXcode
  • Announcing The Swift.org Redesign Project: https://forums.swift.org/t/announcing-the-swift-org-redesign-project/75865
  • Ignite, Static Site Generator, by Paul Hudson https://github.com/twostraws/Ignite
  • Swift-Foundation 2024 Annual Update: https://forums.swift.org/t/swift-foundation-2024-annual-update/75609
  • Swift Interoperability with Java: https://github.com/swiftlang/swift-java
  • Inferno, Metal shaders for SwiftUI by Paul Hudson: https://github.com/twostraws/Inferno
  • Vortex, Particle Effects, by Paul Hudson: https://github.com/twostraws/Vortex
  • Matt Massicotte’s blog: https://www.massicotte.org
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8 months ago
48 minutes 49 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E16: Swift 6 strict

In this episode: We discuss Apple's worldwide catch up events for WWDC, discuss how we stay up to date with new Swift features in old projects, and share the APIs and features you're most looking forward to adopting in iOS 18.

  • WWDC Catch up Events: ⁠https://developer.apple.com/events/⁠
  • Microsoft blames the EU for CloudStrike downtime: ⁠https://mashable.com/article/microsoft-crowdstrike-eu-rules⁠
  • Share your code snippets on swift.org: ⁠https://x.com/SwiftLang/status/1813977828163195046⁠
  • What’s new in Swift: ⁠https://www.hackingwithswift.com/swift⁠


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11 months ago
44 minutes 11 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E15: Swift turns 10

In this episode: We discuss Apple's developer academies, share our advice for becoming a fully independent developer, and on Swift's 10th anniversary share your stories of how Swift impacted your lives:

  • Hacking with Swift WWDC24 sale: https://www.hackingwithswift.com/offers
  • Mikaela’s Keyboard: https://zsa.io 
  • New Apple forums: https://forums.developer.apple.com
  • Apple developer academy graduation: https://x.com/EEhare/status/1796145402695012499
  • Getting featured on the App Store: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/getting-featured/
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1 year ago
43 minutes 18 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E14: An archaeological trove of Mikaela

In this episode: We discuss Apple's newest accessibility features coming in iOS 18, share our tips for working with difficult colleagues and clients, and read your replies to our open ballot: is Swift Evolution working?

  • Apple’s new accessibility features in iOS 18: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/05/apple-announces-new-accessibility-features-including-eye-tracking/?1715781602
  • Deep Dish Swift: https://deepdishswift.com
  • Swift Craft: https://swiftcraft.uk
  • iOSKonf: https://www.ioskonf.mk
  • ARCtic Conference: https://arcticonference.com
  • Matthew Skiles, icon designer: https://www.matthewskiles.com/
  • Swift Gems from Natalia Panferova:  https://books.nilcoalescing.com/swift-gems
  • The Advantage book: https://www.amazon.com/Advantage-Organizational-Health-Everything-Business/dp/0470941529
  • Extreme Ownership book: https://echelonfront.com/books/extreme-ownership/
  • Interview with Chris Lattner: https://www.youtube.com/live/OAaQhW4ifu0?si=drHVY_dkJoc4_4H6
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1 year ago
44 minutes 18 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E13: Zero warnings is a good start

In this episode: We talk about the community events taking place alongside WWDC24, discuss what we're hoping to see change in Apple's APIs this year, and share your tips for getting apps ready for iOS 18.

  • One More Thing conference: https://omt-conf.com/
  • Sponsoring iOS Dev Happy Hour: https://sponsorships.iosdevhappyhour.com
  • Deep Dish Swift: https://deepdishswift.com/
  • Swift Craft: https://swiftcraft.uk/
  • Women Who Code is closing down: https://womenwhocode.com/blog/the-end-of-an-era-women-who-code-closing
  • Mikaela's open-source library for hand tracking on visionOS: https://github.com/mikaelacaron/HANDS
  • Mikaela’s not-so top secret new app: https://getfruitful.app
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1 year ago
44 minutes 54 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E12: SwiftUI just figures it out

In this episode: We start to get excited about WWDC24, talk about the pros and cons of pair programming, and share your views on how to make apps more accessible.

  • try! Swift Tokyo: https://tryswift.jp/_en
  • Ignite: ⁠http://github.com/twostraws/Ignite⁠ 
  • Vision Pro Dev Camp - ⁠https://visiondevcamp.org⁠ 
  • A Beginner’s Guide to Apple Vision Pro, Women Who Code: https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_x28wNkgdSVi01JXfoc8aNw 
  • WWDC 24: ⁠https://developer.apple.com/wwdc24/⁠
  • Bas Broek on iOS Dev Happy Hour: https://youtu.be/1j6z9guAovI
  • Adrian Eves on Twitter: https://twitter.com/swifteves
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1 year ago
47 minutes 3 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E11: Serendipitous learning

In this episode: We discuss why it's so important to attend conferences and other meetups, share the best moments from your careers, and play an all-new game: guess how many credit cards Mikaela has?


- Exploring Mars from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory at NASA: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/exploring-mars/id6475634958

- Paul's iOS Simulator tip: https://x.com/twostraws/status/1760304617441952038?s=20

- Apple's International Women’s Day event: https://developer.apple.com/events/view/M3M552SRZ6/dashboard

- iOS Dev Happy Hour: https://iOSDevHappyHour.com

- Cocoa Conferences: https://cocoaconferences.com

- SwiftCraft in Folkestone: https://swiftcraft.uk

- Deep Dish Swift: https://deepdishswift.com

- SwiftConf: https://swiftconf.com

- Danielle Lewis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dlewisdev

- Apple’s Racial Equity and Justice initiative: https://www.apple.com/racial-equity-justice-initiative/

- Form to be featured in the App Store: https://developer.apple.com/contact/app-store/promote/

- Mikaela's affiliate link for TelemetryDeck: http://bit.ly/3T9Gfqb

- Mikaela's affiliate link for CardPointers: https://cardpointers.com/unicorn

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1 year ago
40 minutes 54 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E10: That was a ball of pain

In this episode: Swift 5.10 is here, we share our tips on mentoring and being mentored, and try out your Vision Pro apps.


- Apple Vision Pro is here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/02/apple-vision-pro-arrives-in-apple-store-locations-across-the-us/

- Email to Apple developers from Susan Prescott: https://x.com/twostraws/status/1753526820811452729

- Launched podcast with Charlie, Christian, and Devin: https://x.com/LaunchedFM/status/1755597370975478170

- pkl: https://github.com/apple/pkl

- xkcd Standards: https://xkcd.com/927

- Nominations for the Packages Community Showcase on Swift.org: https://forums.swift.org/t/nominations-for-the-packages-community-showcase-on-swift-org/68168

- Erica Sadun on being humble as a developer: https://x.com/ericasadun/status/1075178908771729409

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1 year ago
42 minutes 3 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E9: Don't call it a headset

In this episode: Apple's Vision Pro is almost here and we couldn't be more excited, we share our tips for building a great app portfolio, and discuss your answers to the open ballot: where do you find app inspiration?

- Vision Pro is available to pre-order: https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro

- Slopes: https://getslopes.com

- Despair, Inc Demotivator: https://despair.com/products/apathy

- Upgrade your Mac: https://www.hackingwithswift.com/plus/live-streams/upgrade-your-mac

- xkcd Kerning: https://xkcd.com/1015/

- Logical: https://www.lemonamiga.com/games/details.php?id=689

- Willis Gibson beats Tetris: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67871775

- Zach Tidwell on Twitter: https://x.com/ZachCTidwell/status/1743660293115314653


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1 year ago
41 minutes 4 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E8: Step 1 is building a great app

In this episode: We reveal the best way to use your Apple developer subscription, discuss our experience of using AI to build software, and share your tips on the best ways to approach debugging. Merry Christmas, folks!

- Everyone gets 25 hours of free Xcode Cloud: https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=ik9z4ll6

- How to submit a request to Apple's DTS team: https://developer.apple.com/support/technical

- Apple's Journaling Suggestions API: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/journalingsuggestions

- Never trust a pilot: https://x.com/twostraws/status/1732544903115157981

- Sharpshooter: https://github.com/twostraws/Sharpshooter

- Rob Napier's grim truth: https://x.com/cocoaphony/status/1224364439429881856


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1 year ago
39 minutes 25 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E7: Scary Fast

In this episode: We review Hacktoberfest and make plans for our future indie projects, share our thoughts on what makes great app architecture, and read out your tips on what's the most useful skill for a developer to have that isn't coding itself.

- Packages on Swift.org: https://www.swift.org/packages/showcase.html

- Apple's use of Swift and SwiftUI in iOS 17: https://blog.timac.org/2023/1019-state-of-swift-and-swiftui-ios17/

- Gui Rambo's iOS architecture inventor: https://iosarchitecture.top

- The Gang of Four book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_Patterns

- Template method: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_method_pattern

- xkcd Compiling: https://xkcd.com/303/

- xkcd Dependencies: https://xkcd.com/2347/

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1 year ago
51 minutes 53 seconds

Swift over Coffee
S3E6: Don't be scammy

In this episode: We discuss the value of building a side project you love, chat about Apple's latest Vision Pro sample code, and share your views on our open ballot: should we use Swift everywhere, or learn different languages?

- xkcd Ten Thousand: https://xkcd.com/1053/

- Swift Splash: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/visionos/swift-splash

- SF Symbols 5: https://developer.apple.com/sf-symbols/

- Mikaela's GitHub Hacktoberfest repo about how much she loves cars: https://github.com/mikaelacaron/Basic-Car-Maintenance

- xkcd Standards: https://xkcd.com/927/

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1 year ago
49 minutes 26 seconds

Swift over Coffee
Swift over Coffee is a podcast that helps you keep your Swift skills up to date the easy way, hosted by Paul Hudson and Mikaela Caron. In each episode we chat about the latest developments in the Swift community, and also host an open ballot where you can share your views on important topics. Follow us on Twitter at @swiftovercoffee. Note: all the discussion from Mikaela and Paul is licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0. Our regular intro/outro music is also licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0, and is called "Dropping out of School" by Brad Sucks.