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This is Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender.
Join rugby legends Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin & Scott Quinnell as they share real stories, fresh perspectives, and dive into everything you love about the game.
We'll have legendary guests from ex-pros, to celebrity fans. This is your front-row seat to everything rugby - from unforgettable moments to untold stories.
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Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Scott Quinnell and special guest host Sarah Hunter sit down with one of Welsh rugbyâs most recognisable names: Gavin Henson! đ´ó §ó ˘ó ˇó Źó łó ż
Gavin opens up about his unique career journey, from filming The Bachelor when he got called up to play for Wales, to what it really means to retire on your own terms. He lifts the lid on the routines that shaped him, his love of football (and setting up Super Fox United!), and how supporting Man United fuelled his passion for sport.
The team dive into Gavinâs best memories in the Wales shirt, plus Lions predictions, playing both league and union, and the position he always loved most.
Gavin also shares how The Chimp Paradox changed his mindset, why coaching can be so tough, and what heâs up to now with his company U-Test and his pub, The Fox.
And yes, we couldnât resist ranking some of his most iconic haircuts too! đââď¸
One of rugbyâs most fascinating characters, opening up on fame, football, fond memories and future plans.
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Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, is back â and this week weâre joined by legendary Michelin-starred chef Tom Kerridge, alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Katy Daley-Mclean and Scott Quinnell.
Tom lifts the lid on his incredible journey from the rugby pitch in Gloucester to running one of the UKâs most acclaimed kitchens. He shares how his time in the front row shaped his career, the high-pressure crossover between rugby and fine dining, and what he learned from chefs like Rick Stein and shows like Great British Menu.
The team dive into everything from Shanksâ baking, feeding rugby players vs Williams Racing, and Tom being snubbed on the F1 grid at Silverstone 2025 by Martin Brundle... for Tom Holland.
On the rugby front, thereâs pride in coaching his sonâs team, shoutouts for rising stars like Henry Pollock, and strong views on the British & Irish Lions and the Owen Farrell vs George Ford debate â with Andy Farrell never far from the conversation.
Tom also opens up about his alcohol recovery, mental health, and the mindset it took to earn multiple Michelin Stars, all while navigating fame, TV and the intensity of hospitality life.
Oh, and thereâs Glastonbury chat, Oasis love, and an unexpected pit stop from ScottâŚ
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Stick to Rugby is hitting the road once again, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio and Tom Shanklin sit down with Englandâs Mike Brown.
Brown opens up about the mindset that made him one of the Premiershipâs fiercest competitors, why Harlequins and England meant everything to him, and how he handled the big fall-out with Eddie Jones.
He reflects on the controversial Premiership Final, the chip on his shoulder that fuelled his career, and the clashes (including a secret punch in the đ from Dallaglio in a ruck) that shaped him on the pitch.
The lads also tackle what rugby needs to fix for the next generation, the pressures of international selection, and whether Brown regrets how it all ended with England.
Brutally honest, fiery and full of stories⌠this is Mike Brown as youâve never heard him before!
00:00 On the Road is BACK!
01:27 Reacting to Gallagher Premiership Final Loss
04:35 What Michael Cheika brought to Leicester Tigers
06:08 The Secret to Mike Brownâs Longevity
12:18 How Mike got into Rugby
21:00 Mikeâs Relationship with the Media and THAT Interview
23:11 Most Proud Moments in Mikeâs Career
26:05 How Mikeâs Relationship with Eddie Jones Changed
30:33 Mikeâs Bestfriends in Rugby
32:55 Mikeâs Toughest Opposition
37:04 Most Underrated Players
38:45 Players who Taught Mike the Most
42:45 Best Moments in Mikeâs Career
44:50 Life After Retirement
48:00 Mikeâs Call to Arms to Help Rugby
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We take Stick to Rugby on the road again this week, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio and Scott Quinnell are joined by rugby legend Kevin Sinfield.
From signing pro at just 13 to captaining that iconic Leeds Rhinos side and now coaching with England, Kevin opens up about the highs and heartbreaks of a remarkable career including what it was like losing five Challenge Cup finals and his incredible friendship with Rob Burrow
They dive into Sinfieldâs biggest sliding door moments, whether he prefers rugby union or league, and the powerful truth behind raising millions for MND.
Plus, he lifts the lid on his England role, coaching philosophy and the advice heâd give to his younger self!
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees hosts Lawrence Dallaglio, Thomas Shanklin, and Katy Daley-Mclean sit down with Louis Rees-Zammit for a rapid-fire, globe-trotting episode packed with personal reflections, jaw-dropping transitions, and untold stories from both sides.
Rees-Zammit kicks things off with quickfire questions before opening up on his early love for football, his obsession with Cristiano Ronaldo, and the American football influence he soaked up at home thanks to his dad. He reveals the moment he was told heâd never play for Wales after leaving Cardiff Blues â and how he proved everyone wrong by making his Test debut just years later.
He relives his proudest moment in a Wales jersey, what it meant to finally play in front of Welsh fans, and doesnât shy away from the teamâs recent struggles. Thereâs Lions chat too â from the surreal COVID tour that âfelt like training gamesâ to passing the torch (and mascot duties) on to Pollock.
Then itâs all eyes on the NFL. Rees-Zammit shares how he knew it was time to make the leap, the brutal reality of trying to make it in the States, and how it felt getting picked up by the Kansas City Chiefs. He reveals the physical toll of NFL training (rugby players beware), reflects on the massive life decision he faced at 22, and the inspiration he took from Travis Clayton. Oh â and thereâs a surprise letter from Taylor Swift.
Finally, he answers the big question: could a return to rugby still be on the cards? And what has he come to love most about life in America?
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees hosts Lawrence Dallaglio, Louis Rees-Zammit, and Katy Daley-Mclean welcome Wallaby legend George Gregan for a fast-paced, story-packed deep dive into finals pressure, Rugby League rumours, and the magic of biggest moments.
Rees-Zammit reflects on the surreal moment he was picked for the Lions at 19, and the huge sense of relief when a defender pulled up just before a 1v1 in the final. He lifts the lid on Finn Russellâs leadership, his outrageous performance at the weekend â and why he's the guy that holds it all together. Gregan agrees⌠and admits Finn seriously worries him.
Gregan breaks down who to watch for the Wallabies this summer and gives his verdict on the Australia Womenâs chances against the USA at the World Cup. He takes us back to that tackle on Jeff Wilson, winning the '99 World Cup, and the roar of 40,000 fans at the Hong Kong 7s. He also shares who inspired him growing up â and who really calls the shots in a team full of egos.
Thereâs code-switching chat too: Gregan on nearly jumping to Rugby League in the 90s â and Dallaglio revealing when the Bradford Bulls came knocking.
Plus, the panel break down Bathâs massive Premiership final win and share what makes a defining moment at the top level.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes former Ireland and British & Irish Lions centre Rob Henderson to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin and Katy Daley-Mclean for a fast-paced and emotional deep dive into Irish rugbyâs rise, Lions heartbreak and life on tour.
Henderson opens up about his late start in rugby, why it was âalways Irelandâ for him, and how the iconic 2001 win over England became a defining moment for Irish rugby. He reflects on the Lions tour to Australia, the devastation of the Test series loss, and the famous âwe ran out of petrolâ line that still haunts him.
There are tales of chaos and camaraderie; sharing a room with Lawrence, getting fake tanned before games, and when the Irish team met the Pope. He reveals how Clive Woodward changed his career, why âyou hate losing more than you like winningâ, and what it meant to earn his first cap.
From huge hits to wild stories, this episode captures the full spectrum of rugby life: unfiltered, hilarious, and deeply personal.
Once a Lion, always a Lion. Donât miss it.
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We take Stick to Rugby on the road this week, brought to you by Defender, as Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin and the returning Joe Marler jump in for some front-seat rugby chat (and chaos).
From Shaun Edwards banning music in the dressing room, to Joe Marlerâs obsession with coleslaw and his death row meal pick â this is a no-filter ride through rugbyâs funniest, weirdest, and most unexpected stories.
The lads also lift the lid on what itâs really like being a âbench captainâ, debate the direction the gameâs heading, and reveal their dream five-a-side team made entirely of rugby players.
One car. Three legends. Unlimited nonsense.
00:00 â Marlerâs Back
01:46 â Young Joe Marler
02:26 â One Thing Joe Regrets
04:46 â Inside the âBench Captainâ Role
09:56 â Andy Powell & Bench Stories
11:50 â Motorway Service & Dressing Rooms
15:55 â Feedback: Giving & Taking It
19:03 â Death Row Meal
25:29 â Initiation Songs & Marlerâs 5-a-Side Team
28:44 â Dan Cole Appreciation
31:40 â Social Media: Good or Bad for Rugby?
33:34 â Stick to Rugby: The Movie Cast
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Englandâs youngest-ever captain Will Carling to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin & Scott Quinnell for a personal and honest conversation about leadership, pressure, and life beyond the game.
Will opens up about being handed the England captaincy at just 22, the internal battles he faced, and the moments he knew he bottled it. He shares how handwritten letters helped him connect with his teammates and why leadership is about âthe little touches.â
The team revisits his media challenges, post-career struggles, and the mental toll of going from national icon to âcar crash years.â Carling also lifts the lid on his role under Eddie Jones, why Clive Woodward built the better environment, and how English rugby has struggled to replicate success since 2003.
There are plenty of stories along the way â from meeting Nelson Mandela and Robin Williams, to why his teammates bet on how long heâd last as captain, and how Peter Winterbottom terrified everyone.
One of English rugbyâs most defining figures joins the show for a look back on legacy, leadership and life in the spotlight.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees Adam âBombâ Jones join Lawrence Dallaglio, Tom Shanklin, Katy Daley-McLean, and Scott Quinnell for a brilliantly unfiltered chat about World Cup pain, Welsh rugby politics, and his infamous fallout with Steve Hansen.
Adam opens up on the toughest moments of his careerâfrom being hooked after 30 minutes by Hansen to the emotional toll of World Cup failure. He reveals how that moment changed him, what really happened behind the scenes, and why it became the turning point in his career.
He shares heartfelt memories of Jerry Collins, his surprising coaching ambitions with Wales, and how Joe Marler became one of the most misunderstood players in rugby.
From raw honesty to all-time tour stories, this oneâs packed with character, chaos and a few emotional curveballs.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Henry Pollock to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin and Scott Quinnellâfresh off the back of his Lions call-up.
Pollock opens up on how he found outâlive on TV with no heads-upâand the chaos that followed, including a missed call to his mum and the emotional moment it all hit. He reflects on the Leinster semi-final as his ânow or neverâ moment, how heâs coping with the hype, and why the pressure is only just beginning.
He also lifts the lid on his whirlwind riseâfrom schoolboy fancy dress to Lions selection in just 12 monthsâplus insight into the squad WhatsApp (or lack of one), meeting Maro Itoje, and what the Lions kit bag really means.
With talk of Northampton vs Leinster, the upcoming Champions Cup final, and how Pollock plans to prove why heâs been picked.
00:00 â Intro
06:01 â Behind the Scenes & Delicacy of the Week
07:15 â WHO AM I? Panel Game
13:00 â Lions Call-Up Moment
14:40 â Henryâs Diogo Dalot Celebration
17:24 â Looking After BIL the Lion
20:25 â Messages from Famous Players
21:58 â Telling His Parents About the Lions Call-Up
23:06 â Henryâs Rapid Rise
24:34 â Early Lions Memories
26:00 â Tour Stories & Squad Antics
29:35 â World Cup Win vs Lions Tour Win?
31:11 â Biggest Admission from the Squad
33:01 â Who Henryâs Most Excited to Meet
35:00 â Worst Roommate Story
35:55 â Family Sporting Background
38:07 â When Henry First Got into Rugby
39:20 â School Days & Education Path
40:47 â Rugby Heroes Growing Up
42:50 â Youth Career & Development
44:44 â Career Highlight (So Far)
51:15 â Drama of the Leinster Semi-Final
52:58 â Champions Cup Final vs Bordeaux
54:10 â Winning vs Losing: Henryâs Mindset
55:30 â Big Goals & Ambitions
56:19 â Favourite Position on the Pitch
58:55 â Challenge Cup Predictions
1:02:07 â Pre-Season Plans
1:02:44 â Panel Quiz Finale!
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The latest special episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees Warren Gatland return to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean and Tom Shanklin for a no-holds-barred look at the chaos, controversy and legacy of the British & Irish Lions.
Back for his second appearance, Gatland reflects on the moments that shaped â and nearly sank â his time as Lions head coach. From off-field issues that split squads to the brutal selection calls he still stands by.
He opens up on the âclown noseâ backlash, the fallout from dropping Brian OâDriscoll, and the tensions that ran through multiple tours. Thereâs insight on managing Sexton, the rivalry with Farrell, and the pressure that comes with leading the Lions.
Off the field, Gatland recalls a near-death experience abroad, the need to restore pride in the jersey, and the text Phil Vickery got from his mum after getting dropped.
A brutally honest conversation with one of rugbyâs biggest coaching figures â this is the Lions, unfiltered.
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00:00 - Welcome Back Warren Gatland
00:30 - What Makes the Lions So Special?
01:19 - The Best Advice
03:11 - Teaser
04:10 - First Time Inside a Lions Camp
06:30 - Coaching His First Lions Tour
08:55 - 2005 vs 2009: A Tale of Two Tours
10:35 - Brutal Selection Calls & Squad Morale
11:58 - Gatlandâs Most Iconic Lions Games
14:41 - The Toughest Part of Coaching the Lions
17:01 - Schalk Burgerâs Eye Gouge Incident
18:08 - OâDriscoll Concussion & 2009 Injury Chaos
20:12 - Getting Close to Rival Nations
21:24 - Phil Vickeryâs Mum
22:00 - Safari Story
22:58 - Comparing 2009 and 2013 Lions Tours
25:25 - Walesâ 2008 Tour of South Africa
26:31 - The Truth Behind Dropping Brian OâDriscoll
30:30 - Knowing When the Gameâs in the Bag
34:07 - Inside the 2017 Lions Tour
38:33 - Taking on the New Zealand Media
43:45 - Reflections on Selections & Leadership
44:22 - Drawing the 2017 Series
46:59 - Owen Farrell & Managing Johnny Sexton
49:43 - Gatlandâs Any Other Business
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Freddie Steward to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin, and Scott Quinnell for an exclusive deep dive into his England career, the Red Rosesâ Grand Slam, and life at Leicester Tigers.
Steward opens up about the emotional rollercoaster of Englandâs World Cup semi-final heartbreak, how media pressure fuelled the squad, and the lasting impact of that South Africa defeat. He also lifts the lid on his rivalry with Marcus Smith, dealing with being dropped, and what itâs really like when a fly-half takes your shirt!
The panel dives into the Red Roses' Grand Slam triumph, the brutal difference between club and international rugby, and the fierce competition for England shirts.
Steward also reveals how working with sports psychologists transformed his career, why Ellis Gengeâs leadership was crucial, and how Michael Cheika reignited Leicesterâs charge this season.
And donât miss Freddieâs verdict on the best full-back in world rugby right now!
A revealing and honest conversation with one of rugbyâs fastest-rising starsâdonât miss it!
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes football icon Stuart Pearce to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin & Scott Quinnell for a no-filter crossover into rugby, football, and everything in between.
Pearce opens up about the terrifying mid-air health scare that nearly ended in disaster, how he found strength in rugby league culture, and the surprising bond he shares with Warrington Wolves. From Brian Cloughâs old-school genius to his secret life as âYak Yanson,â a Russian goalkeeper in Sunday League, the stories donât get more surreal than this.
Thereâs plenty of love for Gazzaâs wildest moments, Pearceâs memories of Euro â96 pressure, and the truth behind the Nottingham Forest applause that had him thinking âIâm not dead yet.â
Plus, punk gigs with Gareth Southgate, the Stranglers with Mike Tindall, and why Roy Keane was a midfield war.
A hilarious, heartfelt, and totally unexpected episode with one of Englandâs hardest men in footballâdonât miss it!
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes World Cup winner Phil Vickery to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, Tom Shanklin and Scott Quinnell for an emotional, hilarious and no-holds-barred look at life in and out of the game.
Vickery opens up on the fear of failure that fuelled his career, how farming forged his toughness, and what it was like getting cited and banned on his England debut.
He relives the brutal battles against South Africaâs âBeastâ, reflects on sharing the pitch with legends like Julian White and Tom Smith, and gives a heartfelt tribute to his father and what it meant having him in the stands for the World Cup final.
Thereâs talk of Lions tours, training with John Thomas and Simon Shaw, and the unforgettable moment Shaun Edwards made him cry. Plus: how he found purpose after rugby and his surprising passion for bodybuilding.
The crew also dive into the Womenâs Six Nations, why Phil prefers watching the womenâs game, and which Red Roses star heâd pay to watch.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, features a no-holds-barred chat with Joe Marler as he opens up about life after rugby, retirement, and the Celebrity Traitors rumours.
In this big sit-down since stepping away from the game, Joe gets candid about why he âcouldnât go on,â his unexpected call to Jimmy Bullard, the real reason he walked away mid-season, and what he misses (and doesnât) about rugby life.
He also reveals the strange gigs heâs said âyesâ to since retiringâincluding pretending to be a dogâand how heâs navigating post-rugby purpose, parenting, and mental health.
Plus, the panel grill Joe on the Traitors rumours. Has he been cast? Was he Andy Murrayâs replacement? And what kind of player would he actually be: traitor or faithful?
Thereâs also chat about greyhounds, scrummaging, being âdistracted, disruptive and rudeâ at school, and why heâs now working directly with Team England in a unique new role.
A funny, raw, and refreshingly honest conversation with one of rugbyâs most unpredictable charactersâdonât miss it.
Check out the amazing tool Lawrence mentions on this episode where you can educate yourself on all topics from people with lived experience and experts - The step before talking - www.jaaq.org
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Welsh legend Scott Quinnell to the panel alongside Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, and Tom Shanklin for a rollicking ride through rugbyâs past, present, and future.
Quinnell talks about his unmatched Welsh rugby bloodline, the moment he nearly dropped the ball before Scott Gibbsâ iconic try, and why Lawrenceâs Wembley heartbreak mightâve led to Englandâs World Cup success. From Austin Healyâs ÂŁ35,000 Rolex blunder to wild tales of Wiganâs sevens dream teamâno story is off-limits.
The crew also relive their worst days in rugby, get nostalgic about the Five Nations era, and debate the modern gameâs professionalism in âYou Couldnât Get Away With That Now.â
Plus, the latest on the Womenâs Six Nations, Red Roses dominance, and who might make the 2025 Lions squadâwith bold claims about Tomos Williams, Henry Pollock, and Talupe Faletau.
And donât miss Quinnellâs take on Andy Farrellâs coaching rise, Shaun Edwards' Wembley red card, and the secret Lions selection dinner with his dad!
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes World Player of the Year Ellie Kildunne to the panel alongside Katy Daley-Mclean, Lawrence Dallaglio, and Tom Shanklin for a wide-ranging and inspiring chat on stardom, pressure, and whatâs next for the womenâs game.
Ellie opens up on the whirlwind journey from A-Levels to being crowned the best in the world, how she handles the pressure of expectation, and why sheâs never tried to be anyone but herself. She discusses the challenges of life as a dual-career athlete, being made redundant during COVID, and her Olympic dream that almost slipped away.
Away from the pitch, Ellie reveals how photography became her creative escape and why she believes it helped her feel truly understood. Plus, the panel dives into the growth of the womenâs game, how players can harness social media to become household names, and what England must do to win the World Cup on home soil.
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, sees Joe Marler & Marlie Packer join Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, and Tom Shanklin for a no-holds-barred breakdown of the Six Nations, mental health in rugby, and the realities of life after the game.
Marler and Packer reflect on Englandâs emphatic win over Wales and whether this was a turning point for Steve Borthwickâs side. They also preview the Womenâs Six Nations, discussing the contenders, Englandâs dominance, and what to expect from the tournament.
Marlie shares her raw emotions on losing the England captaincy, what it meant to step back, and whether she ever considered walking away from the sport altogether. Meanwhile, Joe opens up about retirementâboth the fear of stepping away and the lack of aftercare rugby offers once players hang up their boots.
The panel also breaks down the PWR Final, Marlieâs take on the intensity of the competition, and what it means for the future of the womenâs game.
The conversation expands into the bigger picture of mental health in rugby, the pressures of leadership, and why so many players feel lost when their careers come to an end.
â ď¸ This episode includes discussions on mental health. If you or someone you know is struggling, visit one of the following organisations:
Samaritans - https://www.samaritans.org/
NSPCC - https://www.nspcc.org.uk/
FRANK - https://www.talktofrank.com/
Mind - https://www.mind.org.uk/
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The latest episode of Stick to Rugby, brought to you by Defender, welcomes Warren Gatland to the panel alongside David Flatman, Lawrence Dallaglio, Katy Daley-McLean, and Tom Shanklin for an exclusive deep dive into his Wales exit, coaching highs, and the future of rugby.
Gatland opens up about the emotional decision to return to Wales, the brutal challenges he faced, and whether he has any regrets. He reveals how the pressure of 14 straight defeats impacted him and the squad, why he never tried to protect himself, and whether he feels let down by former players.
The panel also revisits his Wasps legacy, what made that team so dominant, and how coaching Brian OâDriscoll shaped his early career. And, of course, thereâs plenty of Lions talkâfrom selection secrets to why Marcus Smith has to be in the squad.
Plus, Gatlandâs take on rugbyâs bomb squad debateâshould World Rugby step in?âand why he thinks Australia will be dangerous on the upcoming Lions tour.
A brutally honest conversation with one of rugbyâs biggest coaching figuresâdonât miss it!
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