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Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, orcas, eco-ethics and the environment.
91 episodes
4 days ago
Mark Leiren-Young, author of Orcas Everywhere and director of The Hundred-Year-Old Whale, meets the humans who are fighting to save our oceans, orcas and environment. Find out how you can make waves.

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Skaana home….. https://www.skaana.org
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Mark Leiren-Young, author of Orcas Everywhere and director of The Hundred-Year-Old Whale, meets the humans who are fighting to save our oceans, orcas and environment. Find out how you can make waves.

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Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
The Killer Whale That Changed the World


The Killer Whale That Changed the World - the story of Moby Doll and the accidental orca capture that changed everything between humans and orcas - was created for CBC Radio's Ideas by Skaana host, Mark Leiren-Young and produced by Yvonne Gall. It originally aired on CBC in 2013, won the Jack Webster Award for Best Radio Documentary and sparked the award-winning book, The Killer Whale Who Changed the World, which is currently being adapted as a feature documentary. This episode is being shared with the permission of CBC Radio.

One of the goals of this audio documentary was to capture the stories of the men who remembered Moby Doll while they were still able to share them. Four of the people interviewed here - Dr. Murray Newman, Dr. Patrick McGeer, Christopher "Gus" Angus and Kenneth "Gilbey" Hewlett are no longer with us. We are sharing this in their memory.

Other featured interviews:

Dr. John Ford joined Fisheries and Oceans Canada in 2001 as the head of the Cetacean Research Program at the Pacific Biological Station in Nanaimo, BC. He is also an Adjunct Professor in the Department of Zoology and the Fisheries Centre, University of British Columbia. Dr. Ford has been involved in field studies on cetaceans in western Canadian waters since 1977. In recent years, his research has focused on the conservation status of cetaceans listed under Canada's Species-at-Risk Act and has involved population abundance estimation and development of acoustic tools for determining seasonal abundance of cetaceans in remote offshore waters.

Dr. Charlotte Epstein is Assistant Professor in the Department of Government and International Relations at the University of Sydney. She is the author of The Power of Words in International Relations: Birth of An Anti-Whaling Discourse.

Richard Blagborne was the convener of the 2013 Moby Doll Orca Symposium: Reflections for Change on Saturna Island. Blagborne initiated and led the restoration of the Fog Alarm Building which was scheduled for demolition as part of federal lighthouse de-staffing programs. The building has been completely renovated and now houses storyboards, a media centre, historical photos and written archives charting the island's history.

The host is Paul Kennedy.

The orca speaking off the top of this episode - and every episode of Skaana - is Moby Doll.

"When you go to Africa, you wanna see the lions and the Serengeti, and when you come to British Columbia, you wanna see the killer whale." - Murray Newman

Made in Canada, eh

The Killer Whale Who Changed the World audiobook  on Audible and Spotify

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Shownotes:

4:26 The Killer Whale That Changed the World

5:50 The hunting party.

6:35 A recreation of the actual CBC TV newscast the night Moby Doll was captured. "The pugnacious dangerous monster."

8:30 Dr. Murray Newman on the accidental capture.
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1 week ago
59 minutes 16 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Mark Leiren-Young – Sharks Forever and Jaws Forever?


Mark Leiren-Young reads the chapter about Jaws vs. shark from his award-winning book, Sharks Forever. Years after the movie based on his book was one of the biggest hits in the world, Peter Benchley said that in a new version of Jaws, the shark wouldn’t be the monster. “The shark in an updated Jaws could not be the villain; it would have to be written as the victim, for, worldwide, sharks are much more the oppressed than the oppressors.”

Excerpt From
Sharks Forever
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Made in Canada, eh

Sharks Forever audiobook  on Apple and Spotify

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Shownotes:

3:31 The start of the chapter on Jaws from Mark's book Sharks Forever. Chapter 9 - Great White Lies.

4:45 A bounty for anyone who could prove they had been bitten by a shark.

5:29 Jersey Shore sharks. Or sea turtles? The original killer great white.

6:04 Shark myths created by Jaws. "The way that the shark behaves in the movie is not the way sharks behave."

6:30 The terrible and inaccurate "rogue shark" theory.

6:51 The myths of Shark Week.

9:32 Humans against nature - trophy hunters.

11:45 "Years after the movie based on his book was one of the biggest hits in the world, Peter Benchley said that in a new version of Jaws, the shark wouldn’t be the monster. “The shark in an updated Jaws could not be the villain; it would have to be written as the victim, for, worldwide, sharks are much more the oppressed than the oppressors.”"

12:57 Sharknados and other fictional shark stories.
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3 weeks ago
16 minutes 2 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
David Shiffman – On 50 Years of Jaws vs. Sharks


David Shiffman (author of Why Sharks Matter) on how Jaws changed the world for sharks, humans and movies... how the fear of sharks led to so many species being threatened and endangered and why you should be suspicious of "shark experts." "More people in a typical year are bitten by other people in the New York City subway system than are bitten by sharks in the whole world... More people die falling off cliffs trying to take a scenery selfie than are killed by sharks in a typical year."

Made in Canada, eh

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From David Shiffman's online posts:
Yesterday I was interviewed for Mark Leiren-Young's podcast- I'll share the whole episode when it's out- and he asked me an interesting question. If there's so much nonsense out there about sharks, how do I choose when to engage in mythbusting vs. when to let it go?
My answer:
1) Is the misunderstanding extremely common?
If one rando online is the first person I've ever heard say something wrong, it's not common and maybe worth just letting go. If it's widespread misunderstanding, it's probably worth trying to address.
2) Is the misunderstanding harmful?
Lots of people believe incorrect things about sharks that don't make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, and those are probably not worth the effort to engage.
But some misunderstandings are harmful to conservation.
3) Is the person who is sharing the incorrect information persuadable?
Some people are well-intentioned but uninformed, they really want to help but don't know how. Some of those people can be reached and taught to share accurate helpful information. That's worth trying.
4) Is the person who is sharing the incorrect information influential?
If so, it's worth trying to stop it from getting shared before it becomes a widespread piece of misunderstanding.
And 5) (Which I forgot to say to Mark): Sometimes the world is on fire and I just feel like picking a small fight where I know I'm right and I know I can win.
I do not love this about myself.

Shownotes:

2:56 On the 50th anniversary of Jaws. "This summer is making a lot of people feel really old."

4:25 "Part of the reason Jaws still holds up the way that it does is some mistakes they made during the filming..." The importance of showing the world from the shark's point of view.

5:40 Sharknado and other shark movies that are unlikely to win Oscars.

6:04 Shark myths created by Jaws. "The way that the shark behaves in the movie is not the way sharks behave."

7:05 The terrible and inaccurate "rogue shark" theory.

9:00 "It is astronomically unlikely that an individual person will be hurt by a shark... we are better off with healthy shark populations than we are without them."

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1 month ago
44 minutes 15 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Shane Gero – Speaking to Sperm Whales, the Power of Storytelling and Why All Science is Political


Sperm whale expert Shane Gero on his whale family in Dominica, the power of storytelling and the culture, codas and language of sperm whales. Also... why all science is political. "Science is inherently political... until the sperm whales are able to speak for themselves, someone has to be their advocate... conservation is inherently a human behavioural change."

Made in Canada, eh
Shownotes:

2:40 On his whale family and two decades of working with sperm whales.

4:30 On falling for whales.

6:30 What we know... Like... "They have the biggest brain to ever exist." And studying sperm whales as individuals.

9:48 The power of storytelling. "No matter how much science we could do, no matter how innovative the research we were doing, the story-telling around what's going on with the lives of these families was so powerful."

11:54 Watching the birth of a sperm whale. "It was a very humbling day."

14:43 "I think we do a great disservice when we centre humans."

18:20 Redefining the meaning of "culture" and "language" to avoid including non-human animals.

20:33 Codas, clicks and communication.

26:47 What makes sperm whale brains unique and the theory of mind.

29:19 The sperm whale, Canopener, figuring out how Shane's research works.

31:04 The story of spermaceti.

33:15 "Sperm whales powered human culture, long before we realized that sperm whales had culture themselves."

34:00 The first time he saw a whale.

35:34 And the first time he saw a sperm whale. "Every human should have to go out and experience a 360-degree horizon... it's very humbling."

39:20 On the whales' awareness of us. "We want to study what sperm whales do when sperm whales are being sperm whales... this is their realm."

41:42 "These animals are living their lives in rich, complex lives that we don't even understand yet."

42:07  Why all science is political and fighting science denialism. "Being a scientist means taking sides."

44:42 "Science is inherently political... until the sperm whales are able to speak for themselves, someone has to be their advocate... conservation is inherently a human behavioural change."

48:08 On getting biodiversity to recognize cultural diversity.

51:32  On the importance of names. "When we give them a name we don't do that lightly... we treat them as individual because they are." And some names that they never imagined would stick... like Fruit Salad.

58:35 What whaling was like. "We killed something like three-quarters of the sperm whales that were out there."

100:31 "We think the biblical Leviathan was probably describing a sperm whale."

1:02:55 On what he has learned from sperm whales. "They, as individuals and families, have fundamentally changed the path of my life... Trying to understand what it meant to be a whale has helped me be a better person... They remind us about what is fundamentally important."
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1 month ago
1 hour 5 minutes 10 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Beatrice Frank – On the Power of Positivity and the Georgia Strait Alliance’s Past, Present and Future Fights for the Salish Sea


Beatrice Frank, new(ish) executive director of The Georgia Strait Alliance on the past, present and future of one of the most effective environmental organizations in British Columbia for their 35th anniversary. We talk about fighting threats with awareness - and lawyers - keeping the ocean clean, working with American eco-organizations in the age of Trump and the power of positivity. "We sue the government often... we just want them to be accountable for what they say they will do."

Made in Canada, eh
Shownotes:

2:30 Meet Beatrice Frank - the new executive director of the Georgia Strait Alliance.

5:24 On arriving in BC. "Wow. This place with orcas and salmon stewarded by the Coast Salish First Nation is amazing."

8:48 The GSA turns 35 and the GSA's journey. "It really has become a powerhouse for the protection of the Salish Sea." Advocating for southern resident orcas and more. Past and future fights.

10:15 On working with First Nations on stewardship of the land and the water.

12:05 The current major programs...  biodiversity, marine planning, education and empowerment.

14:40 Orcas and emotions.

16:36 Legal fights for the Salish Sea - trying to save the orcas and stop Roberts Bank Terminal 2. "We sue the government often... we just want them to be accountable for what they say they will do."

19:00 Adjusting to the age of Trump. "Our orcas don't have a passport... we share those species."

20:12 The importance of American partners in fighting for a thriving Salish Sea.

23:22 "We are rooted in the community… We are the Salish Sea."

25:52 The biggest challenges in 2025.

27:42 On Clean Marine BC and training boaters on how to use the ocean and deal with whales and the water.

28:45 On the importance of positivity and connecting with nature. "Everything matters. Every single little choice matters."

33:15 "We Don't Want Your Pipelines" - written by Bob Bossin, performed by Mark Leiren-Young and Mike McCormick.
Skaana podcasts connect you to news and experts and their discussions about environments, oceans, and orcas.


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2 months ago
38 minutes 17 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Lummi Elder Squil-le-he-le on the Documentary Resident Orca and Her Relatives Beneath the Waves


Squil-le-he-le - Lummi Elder and matriarch - on her relationship, and her nation's relationship, with the orca known as Lolita, Tokitae and Sk'aliCh'elh-tenaut, the attempt to bring her home and sharing that story in the powerful new documentary Resident Orca. Resident Orca is now available on Crave in Canada and is still in festivals in the USA and around the world. "You can't separate Canada and the US...  "Clean up our beaches. Stop using plastic. Talk to your electeds. And say it's enough. Breach the dramas. It's enough, stop the pollution. It's enough, talk to Canada and let's join forces in saving that body of water that we all treasure and hold sacred. "

Made in Canada, eh
Shownotes:

4:43 Meet Skay-la-hay-la - Lummi (Lhaq'temish) elder and martiarch.

5:24 On the naming and renaming of Lolita/Tokitae to Sk'aliCh'elh-tenaut

7:00 On being related to the orcas.  "Our relatives that live under the waves... We're related through cosmology."

9:10 On the "round-up" that almost ended the southern resident orcas.

11:40 "They separated these babies from their mothers and there were several that were killed in the process and the captors didn't want to count them in their take. So they slit their bellies, filled them with gravel and sunk them."

14:24 The orcas' memories of Penn Cove and the orca matriarch, Ocean Sun steering clear. "She never led her people back there to hunt. Ever... Ocean Sun led her people into the cove... and the one day they did ceremony."

14:30 "They have traditions that mirror the Lhaq'temish people. *

16:32 Orca potlatches. "We mirror each others culture and traditions... they sing, they polatch, they surround in times of sorrow and loss to support the family."

17:16 The Lhaq'temish take on salmon hats. "What we believe they are doing is they had feasted. That's their way to share. I've had enough. Have some."

19:20 On getting involved with the documentary: "If you don't tell the story of her and her sacrifices. How will people know what they've done to her and her family."

22:53 Squil-le-he-le on her journey to bring Sk'aliCh'elh-tenaut home and becoming involved with the documentary, Resident Orca.

24:09 On the Lummi Nation stepping in to bring Sk'aliCh'elh-tenaut home. "It was all led by culture, spirit and tradition."

26:26 "The first time I saw qwe 'lhol mechen "

26:58 "The first time I saw her (Sk'aliCh'elh-tenaut) was heart-breaking. She had no spirit left."

29:20 On drumming to Sk'aliCh'elh-tenaut. "She felt the healing. She accepted and welcomed the healing."

31:31 On singing with Sk'aliCh'elh-tenaut. "Trainers were crying... "Every week I would call. How's my relative? How's she doing?"

33:07 On her connection to Sk'aliCh'elh-tenaut. "We were one."

34:20 On moments that aren't in the documentary - like talking with Sk'aliCh'elh-tenaut's long-time companion - a whitesided dolphin.

38:03 On the Lummi talking with orcas/qw'e lh'ol mechen.

43:15 On how to help the orca in the Salish Sea. Breach the dams!

46:50 Why people need to see Resident Orca.

50:35 "You can't separate Canada and the US...  "Clean up our beaches. Stop using plastic. Talk to your electeds. And say it's enough. Breach the dramas. It's enough, stop the pollution. It's enough, talk to Canada and let's join forces in saving that body of water that we all treasure and hold sacred. "
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2 months ago
54 minutes 17 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Mark Leiren-Young on Canadians Voting for the Ocean and Against Trump


Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young breaks out his political pundit persona and talks about the Canadian election, how Trump upended the Canadian election and Canada and why that new baby orca needs a name NOW! A special audience Q&A episode with producer, Bug Lewis, asking the audience questions!

"Don't vote for the guy who doesn't believe there's a problem with the climate."

Made in Canada, eh
Shownotes:

1:30 Mark's background as a satirist and a political journalist and columnist.

3:00 Meet Skaana producer and audio engineer, Bug Lewis!

3:45 The scoop on the new J-pod baby - the Southern Resident orca - and why Suttles' new baby needs a name NOW! So for now, Mark names the baby "Bug!"

10:30 Who should a Canadian environmental voters vote for in this election? "Don't vote for the guy who doesn't believe there's a problem with the climate."

12:00 Pierre Pollution boasts about being endorsed by Carbon Tax Campbell. The origin of Canadian carbon taxes.

16:00 Thoughts on our new - and hopefully future - Prime Minister, Mark Carney.

17:45 On not being a fan of the Green Party of Canada. "Here's where I'm going to break a few hearts... I do not think the Green party does what it does very effectively... I do not see a there there."

20:35 The history of Skaana and our documentary about the past, present and future of the Southern Resident Orcas.

23:40 Trump's impact on Canada's election, Canadian politics and how Canada has changed since Trump started talking about taking over our country.

26:10 "The flag is back, baby."

34:25 Forgive Us, We're Canadian - performed by Mark Leiren-Young and Mike McCormick from The Arrogant Worms.
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Mark Leiren-Young as drawn by Ken Steacy.


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3 months ago
34 minutes 14 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Arno Kopecky on Canada’s Election Climate


Arno Kopecky (author The Environmentalist's Dilemma) on covering Tory leader Pierre Pollution Poilevere's vs. the environment, Canadian eco-politics and the Greens vs. Greens.  When Pierre's not Trumpy. And when he is. And what he'll ask Pierre Poiliviere - if he ever gets to ask him a question. "He turned the carbon tax into kryptonite." Made in Canada
Shownotes:

4:25 On being the only journalist embedded with Canada's Conservative Campaign.

5:04 "It feels like a prolonged sort of Grateful Dead Festival festival tour meets the Freedom Convoy tour."

7:05 Pierre's greatest hits...

10:52 On making sense of conspiracy theories.

12:18 Why Pierre and the Tories won't talk to reporters. "For the most part the Conservative entire machine is all about message control... it is very Trumpy."

11:56 What Pierre Poiliviere doesn't want to talk about.

15:06 Where Pierre's not Trumpy. And where he is...

18:02 Why Pierre's declared the carbon tax public enemy #1. "He turned the carbon tax into kryptonite."

19:48 On Pierre not talking about climate policy, except to mock it.

22:53 "The NDP has always been in a bit of a tricky place around environmental policies."

23:40 The carbon tax is a very conservative solution...

26:16 On Mark Carney: "He's really quite literate on that file and he's built his career trying to convince the world's financial industries and bankers that climate change presents a massive existential threat to capitalism."

28:30 On Carney: "I don't think he's the hero that we need but... it was his choice to go to rooms full of bankers in the halls of power in Europe and beyond. And tell them, you know, 10 years ago. "Listen, climate change is coming for us and we need to address it." So I appreciate that."

33:30 "The Green Party of Canada has become invisible."

34:50 "It speaks volumes to me that a guy like Steven Guilbeault, who was arrested in 2001 [00:35:00] as Pierre Poliviere never tires of reminding us - for scaling the CN Tower and hanging a banner that said Bush and Canada are climate killers he was a Greenpeace activist, you know, literally as, as hardcore as it gets. Twenty years later when he runs for office, he doesn't join the Green Party. He joins the Liberal party and two years after that, he becomes the Minister of Environment and Climate Change."

36:25 "The Greens have slid into irrelevance... I think it's going to be a grim election for the Greens."

41:15 On voting this election.

41:50 What he'll ask Pierre Poiliviere - if he ever gets to ask him a question.
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3 months ago
44 minutes 7 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Octopus Ocean – Shaking Hands With A Giant Pacific Octopus


Shaking hands with a Giant Pacific Octopus... Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young shares an excerpt from his new book Octopus Ocean: Geniuses of the Deep.


“Mark Leiren-Young’s Octopus Ocean gives young readers a wonderful sense of many aspects of the world of octopuses in a very clear, concise and interesting way. It makes the reader think, and it educates without preaching. This book is a door to the magnificent world of the octopus—a door that, if opened and explored, will bring much joy and connection.” – Craig Foster, star and producer of My Octopus Teacher, co-founder of the Sea Change Project.


Made in Canada
Shownotes:

3:33 The introduction to Octopus Ocean: Geniuses of the Deep.

4:52 How Storm arrived at the Shaw Centre for the Salish Sea. And got her name.

5:42 Meeting a Giant Pacific Octopus.

6:57  Feeding time. Her speed shocks me.

7:20 "Watching an octopus is like watching a dream."

8:42 "Storm's deciding whether I'm friend, for or food."

9:08 The first octopus I ever saw... at the Vancouver Aquarium!
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* Join and support the Pod at Patreon
* Subscribe to the Skaana newsletter on Substack
* Subscribe to Mark Leiren-Young's newsletter on Substack
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Octopus Ocean


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* Sharks Forever by Mark Leiren-Young
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* The Killer Whale Who Changed the World - print and e-book
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3 months ago
12 minutes 10 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Lynda Mapes on Tahlequah’s Second Tour of Grief


In 2018 Tahlequah captured the world's attention when she carried her dead daughter's body for seventeen days in what became known as the "tour of grief." The human who shared that story with the world was Seattle Times reporter, Lynda Mapes. Tahlequah just lost another newborn daughter. She just completed a second tour of grief. And this time... the world wasn't watching. Lynda Mapes and Skaana host Mark Leiren-Young talk about why the media and the world wasn't tuned in this time, trolls who blame Tahlequah for her tragedies, the future and fate of Tahlequah and her family and the challenges facing everyone who cares about whales and the planet in 2025. "The way to think about these animals is as an ancient society." - Lynda Mapes.
Shownotes:

4:10 Meet Lynda Mapes. "It's a pretty catastrophic time."

5:11 The difference between Tahlequah's first and second tour of grief. "It's not like the last time with six million people reading my stories."

6:20 "She's still the ultimate media star."

8:27  Remembering the first tour of grief and the attempts to save Scarlet (J-50).

10:04 "These animals define the region."

10:25 "Look at the world right now... it's a pretty dire time in the US."

11:15 "Some people blame her." We interrupt this show note (Mark here) to say this makes me want to scream...

14:18 "This is a co-extinction."

18:17 "What we have left we cannot lose."

18:55 Is the biggest threat to the Southern Residents the Biggs transients?

20:00 "I'm afraid people are going to forget about the southern residents... they have a right to be here... the way to think about these animals is as an ancient society."

23:44 Tour 2... "It isn't what it was..."

25:06 People trolling Tahlequah...

27:15 "We've taken away her food, we've taken away her territory..."

28:05 The future and fate of NOAA. "It's dire... it couldn't be a more serious situation for the environment and people who care about it. It's a scary time."

30:02 "We're going to have to make profound changes in order to bring back salmon in greater numbers..." Cleaning up and trashing dams.

34:11 "The power of nature, the resilience of nature is thrilling and real."
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4 months ago
37 minutes 2 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Paul Watson – Free and Fighting!


"In my lifetime I want to eradicate whaling." - Paul Watson. Paul Watson is out of jail, back in France and still fighting for whales, dolphins, turtles, manatees and more. Paul Watson talks to Skaana host, Mark Leiren-Young, about his arrest and how it helped raise awareness about sketchy international arrest warrants, Japan's unjust justice system, illegal whaling, aggressive non-violence and his response to being called a "terrorist." "I find it absolutely amazing that my case is being discussed at the highest levels of Japan... it really shows you how defensive they are about their illegal whaling operations."
Shownotes:

3:10 Paul Watson on being released from prison in Greenland.

4:00 The politics behind his prison time.

6:48 "I find it absolutely amazing that my case is being discussed at the highest levels of Japan... it really shows you how defensive they are about their illegal whaling operations."

8:00 "In the description, in the Red Notice, I'm described as an armed and extremely dangerous terrorist."

8:57 Challenging Interpol.

10:20 His iconic status in France.

11:25 "I've been doing this for fifty years. I've never been convicted of a felony crime and I've never caused an injury to anybody... When anybody says, 'people say you're a terrorist, what's your response.' I've never worked for Monsanto or Exxon."

12:15 Explaining "aggressive nonviolence."

13:43 On getting arrested.

14:58 His cell - with a view of whales. And other prisoners asking for autographs.

19:35 Receiving more than 5000 letters.

20:48 "I've been given political asylum in France."

21:11 "If I go to Canada, I'll be immediately arrested."

23:43 Why the French are so supportive.

28:38 Iceland vs. whales.

29:21 Paul Watson Foundation vs. Icelandic whalers and more - including protecting dolphins, turtles and manatees.

36:17 Paul Watson on how to support his work and what he's up to now and next. "In my lifetime I want to eradicate whaling."

37:45 Why Paul Watson is willing to put his life on the line for whales.
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5 months ago
41 minutes 50 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Eric Pelkey on BC’s Fishy Herring “Fishery” – “SHUT IT DOWN!”


Let the Herring Live! Eric Pelkey is done pretending BC fishers should still be capturing herring. The Community Engagement Coordinator for the W̱SÁNEĆ leadership council talks about a proposed boycott, over-fishing, under-enforcement and the disappearance of a keystone species with significance to the W̱SÁNEĆ Nation and the entire eco-system of the Salish Sea. "Without the herring the salmon can't live. The sea lions can't live. The seals can't live. And if there's no salmon, the killer whales and the larger sea mammals can't live either. No salmon, no killer whales... The herring is a keystone species for the survival of life within the Salish Sea."
Shownotes:

3:11 "The importance of herring to our people is immeasurable." A trade item. A food source. And more.

6:31 "Herring and other fish provided a really substantial part of our diet... Not having that seafood and herring has really had a detrimental effect to the health of our people. Especially the First Nations women."

10:20 How real is the herring "fishery" as an industry?

11:30 The history of herring fishing and when the herring were everywhere.

14:09 The Canadian government allowing over-fishing. "They went in there and took whole communities at once. And wiped them right out."

15:10 "Without the herring the salmon can't live. The sea lions can't live. The seals can't live. And if there's no salmon, the killer whales and the larger sea mammals can't live either. No salmon, no killer whales... The herring is a keystone species for the survival of life within the Salish Sea."

16:28 "The DFO is supposed to be the protector of the fish, of the sea... but the DFO speaks only to the commercial industry and listens only to them. And doesn't listen to us."

17:45 "They're gonna do the same thing that they did on the east coast with the cod... it's like you're putting another arrow into the backs of the First Nations people."

18:30 "They're willing to wipe out the herring for a few dollars more... for a few dollars."

19:40 "Let the herring live!"

23:33 "Talk to your MLA or MP about the importance of herring."

24:19 How long the moratorium should last - 20-25 years. Real science vs. pseudoscience.

25:32 His herring necklace.
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6 months ago
27 minutes 17 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
#FreePaulWatson – It’s Up to You!


A letter from Captain Paul Watson from prison in Greenland, an interview with Paul in prison  and a plea for you - yes you - to help save his life. On December 18th, 2024, the government of Denmark will decide whether to send Captain Paul Watson to die in a Japanese prison. Please email the Danish Minister of Justice Peter Hummelgaard and ask for the immediate release of Captain Watson. Phone: +45 7226 8400 Mail: jm@jm.dk Sign The Free Paul Watson Petition at www.paulwatsonfoundation.org and contact any government official you can to demand his release. Use the hashtag #FREEPAULWATSON on all social media posts. For more about what you can do, visit the Captain Paul Watson Foundation.
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6:27 A letter from jail in Greenland from Captain Paul Watson to Skaana host, Mark Leiren-Young.

14:08 An interview with Paul Watson from prison in Nuuk, Greenland - courtesy of the Captain Paul Watson Foundation podcast.
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7 months ago
36 minutes 22 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Andrew Lewin on Making Media Matter


Andrew Lewin - host of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast - on Jaws vs. sharks, orcas vs. sharks, Asian carp and working with and against Canada's department of Fisheries and Oceans and how young people can and do change the world. "There's nothing scarier to a government than young people who care." - Andrew Lewin
Shownotes:

4:35 Andrew Lewin on how Jaws still defines and defames sharks. Growing up on Jaws. "I was petrified to go in a pool... the original movie is still scary."

9:44 Orca - A killer whale monster movie. "If anyone is gonna have revenge, orcas would do it."

13:10 Explaining the Department of Fisheries and Oceans - "an interesting contradiction" and the Cohen Report vs. The DFO.

20:18 Were Canadian scientists really unmuzzled by the Canadian government?

20:48 Working for the DFO and sharing the stories of endangered carp.

23:08  "We protect what we love." Andrew Lewin

25:40  "It takes a lot to get scientists crying." Andrew Lewin

26:10 How documentaries duck solutions."Tell them how to fix it... We don't talk enough about conservation projects. We don't talk enough about policy... There is nothing scarier than a motivated child who wants to protect the environment." Andrew Lewin

27:50  "There's nothing scarier to a government than young people who care." Andrew Lewin

28:40  On decolonizing conservation.
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8 months ago
39 minutes 53 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Dr. Andrew Rosenberg on Trump vs. Science, Facts & The Planet


Talking Trump vs. science, facts and the planet with Dr. Andrew Rosenberg.  The former director of the Center for Science and Democracy at the Union of Concerned Scientists and former director of NOAA on Project 2025, popping social media bubbles and why it is so friggin' important that Americans vote... And not for Trump. “Whatever your issue is, should you be concerned? Yes! ...This is not a time to sit it out.” On Project 2025: “It’s worse than you think it is. No matter how bad you think it is, it’s worse.”
Shownotes:

4:11 Andrew Rosenberg explains what the Union of Concerned Scientists is concerned about and how the focus shifted from weapons to using science to spin for politicians.

7:00 “Everyone will ask what are you concerned about… until Mr. Trump was elected and then nobody needed to ask that question anymore because it was pretty obvious what we were concerned about.”

8:00 Trump’s wasn’t the first administration to distort facts. “Everything that was talked about the facts became whatever Mr. Trump said they were at any given moment and that was not the same thing from one moment to the next. And in our current presidential campaign that’d gotten even worse.”

8:52 The futility of fact-checking when “everybody’s in their little bubbles in the social media age.”

11:06 Why the Trump administration kept losing their challenges in court and how Project 2025 will stop the courts from ignoring laws.

11:51 “We also leaned into the ideas that scientists can and should be much more active in the political process.” And the resistance to that…

16:45 How to challenge lies. What works, what doesn’t and why. “We’re not going to turn everybody into scientists.”

22:07 The impact of COVID and isolation on fact based reality.

23:10 “Anybody can say anything on social media.”

28:45 On Project 2025: “It’s worse than you think it is. No matter how bad you think it is, it’s worse.”

33:41 “President Trump was frustrated that people didn’t just do what he wanted.” ‘cause laws and consciences…

35:20 “It’s 900 pages long and covers every agency.” The end of NOAA… the end of science and research… and privatizing the weather service and…. yeah it’s worse…

37:00 Everybody becomes a political appointee…  You’re fired! “You would choose people based on their loyalty, not their expertise.”

39:15 Sharpiegate! How Trump moved a hurricane - so he could send money to a state he liked.

43:25 You can imagine what it will be like if he’s back in office. It will be worse… things will get a lot worse.”

44:00 "There’s no tethering to facts at all… it’s just whatever he happens to think about it at a given time.

48:04 BC water moving to California?

49:00 “I don’t believe he understands the sovereignty of other nations. Or cares.”

55:00 What you can do…

51:25 “Whatever your issue is, should you be concerned? Yes!”

51:52 “This is not a time to sit it out.”
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9 months ago
54 minutes 42 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Podcaster Andrew Lewin On Protecting the Oceans


Andrew Lewin - host of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast - on teaching the world about oceans, myth-busting fake facts and falling for the oceans from his home in Ontario. "This is what people should be talking about."
Shownotes:

3:25 How Andrew Lewin fell for the oceans and marine biology.

5:18 The first time Andrew saw a whale.

6:47 Finding Flipper and falling for dolphins. "You have this sense of awe when you look at dolphins." Can dolphins be, um, jerks?

8:45 Talking orcas - including the orcas who eat great white sharks.

11:20 The origin of How to Protect the Oceans podcast and the mission to educate.

17:20  "My why is just change somebody's life."

18:52 The challenge of fighting fake facts and junk science. "The goal is to inform."
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10 months ago
27 minutes 42 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
16-year-old Rylee Brooke on Young People Saving the Planet


Sixteen-year-old Hawaiian environmental activist Rylee Brooke hasn't just been fighting for the environment - and the rights of keiki (young people) - since the age of eight, she's teaching other young people and adults how to make change and make laws. Adventures in changing things locally and globally, making the case for Vote 16 and proving that young people can do pretty much anything - including inspiring law-makers to do better.
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3:30 Meet Rylee Brooke. "I kind of grew up doing community service."

7:12 Starting "The Plastics Project" and sparking youth-run beach clean-ups at age eight.

8:20 How 15 kids clean up 500 pounds of plastic. In one day!

10:20 The power of social media. And the local grapevine.

12:45 Learning to create law - and teaching young people how to create laws. "I got into writing my own bills..."

15:40 "I was asked to be part of the first youth-led conservation case... I was one of the thirteen plaintiffs on that."

20:00  Vote 16 and the fight to lower the voting age in Hawaii and throughout the US.

22:08 Shark diving with Ocean Ramsey.

23:23  "I think just a kid coming in to speak is really powerful." On getting comfortable talking to politicians and crowds.

28:24 Advice for other young people and, really, everyone. "It's really figuring out what you're passionate about."
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11 months ago
30 minutes 50 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
The King & Queen of OctoNation


Sy Montgomery (author: Soul of an Octopus) and Warren Carlyle (founder of OctoNation) on friendly octopuses, the Mayor of Octopus City, and their top octopus secrets from their new book Secrets of the Octopus that accompanies the National Geographic TV series. Second of a two-part interview about the wild world of octopuses! "We're in the age of octopus," Sy Montgomery.
Shownotes:

2:28  How the books Secrets of the Octopus and Soul of the Octopus informed the TV series and vice versa.

4:10 How OctoNation raised the profile of octopus photographers and vice versa.

7:02 Favourite octopus secrets - more social than anyone imagines. “They certainly are not all solitary”.

8:30 Octopolis & Octlantis and the Mayor of Octopus City.

9:02 Octopus hunting with other species.

11:15 "I’m taking my vitamins because I want to be on this planet to learn more secrets of the octopus." Sy Montgomery.

11:25 The tiny hairy octopus aka the Chewboctopus!

12:49  Hanging out with a hippo. "I always felt that animals were my people… I’ve always felt more at home with animals than with people." Sy Montgomery.

14:54 Meeting an octopus at age 7 - Warren.

16:00 "We're just a blip on the radar of life compared to the octopus." Warren Carlyle.

17:54 The first time Sy saw an octopus.

18:25 "This is someone. It's not someTHING. It's someONE. And they are as curious about you as you are about them." Sy Montgomery.

21:15 Sy Montgomery on meeting Athena the octopus.
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1 year ago
27 minutes 59 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
The Beyonce of Octopuses and The OctoKing on Why Octopuses Needed a Publicist


Sy Montgomery (Soul of an Octopus) and Warren Carlyle (founder of OctoNation) on octopuses taking over the media, the origins of OctoNation, why octopuses needed a publicist and some of the secrets of octopus from their new book Secrets of the Octopus that accompanies the National Geographic TV series. First of a two-part interview about all things octopus!
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0:01 Meet author Sy Montgomery.

0:13 Meet Warren Carlyle "the PR agent for the octopus."

3:50 How Sy met Warren.

4:25 Warren’s journey from high fashion to the deep ocean.

5:32 The origins of OctoNation: "When the Beyonce of octopus people tells you to do something, you just do it.” - Warren Carlyle

6:41 Octopus used to be monsters!

10:06 "It's the golden age for octopus appreciation. For octopus research. And I think this is a great opportunity for the ocean in general. What better ambassador can you imagine than somebody who's got the equivalent of nine brains and eight arms." - Sy Montgomery.

13:00 Octopuses can give themselves manicures... we kind of laid the red carpet for "My Octopus Teacher."

14:57 The impact of OctoNation. "Appreciation for the octopus has just exploded."

16:00 Sy: "They are not some slimy gross monster. They are super smart. They are superheroes with superpowers. And yet they are enough like us that you can be friends with an octopus."

18:45 Sy: "We're in the age of octopus."

18:50 Warren: "The way that I view Sy... Sy has this insatiable desire to hang out with animals all the time... All OctoNation is is really a reflection of Sy's light."

23:47 The blanket octopus!

28:08 Connecting with National Geographic.

32:10 Octopus have their own hunting fish the way humans have hunting dogs!
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1 year ago
33 minutes 55 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Getting the Poop on Orca Genetics, Species, Names and Really Old Whales With NOAA Scientists Tom Jefferson & Kim Parsons

NOAA scientists Kim Parsons & Tom Jefferson on orca species, orca survival, orca scat, really old whales, the return of harbour porpoises, the fight for vaquitas and so much more in the second part of a special two-part episode on the two soon-to-be official species of orcas who call the Salish Sea home.

Shownotes:

2:29 The challenge of naming new animals… scientific names, the names we use and the politics of naming. Yes, we're sticking with Residents & Bigg's.

5:15 How many orca species are there? The challenges of collecting data.

7:01 The genetic challenges facing the southern resident orcas.

10:09 Not enough J-pod baby-daddies.

12:32 "I think we need some optimism here…" a happy story about harbour porpoises. "There may be hope for this species after all. We know what the problems are… if we can make enough compromises in our own behaviour to reduce those threats, I think there's good reason for being optimistic that the future of southern resident killer whales can still look quite bright."

14:50 Biological and chronological ages.

19:30 The latest on the vanishing vaquitas - the most endangered marine mammal in the world. Are there only 10 left? "As long as there's one male and one female left in the population there's a chance for them to survive."

23:20 Talking poop about orcas. And orca poop. "I spent a lot of time working with killer whale poop... I've collected a lot of poop in my time."

24:55 Is there another orca species in Alaska? Probably! How many species are there? "We may be looking at six or maybe eight species... maybe more."

26:58 Improvements in understanding orca health and their environments.
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1 year ago
29 minutes 37 seconds

Skaana with Mark Leiren-Young | Oceans, Eco-Ethics & The Environment
Mark Leiren-Young, author of Orcas Everywhere and director of The Hundred-Year-Old Whale, meets the humans who are fighting to save our oceans, orcas and environment. Find out how you can make waves.

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