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SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Olaf Kopp
89 episodes
1 week ago
2-3 times a week in the podcast are discussed Google patents, research papers and other hot topics like E-E-A-T, LLMO, Generative Engine Optimization (GEO), semantic search and Ranking. This podcast gives you exclusive insights about SEO and LLMO based on fudamental research of SEO relevant patents, research papers and Google leaks analyzed for the SEO Research Suite: https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/seo-research-suite Follow now not to miss the insights!
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2-3 times a week in the podcast are discussed Google patents, research papers and other hot topics like E-E-A-T, LLMO, Generative Engine Optimization (GEO), semantic search and Ranking. This podcast gives you exclusive insights about SEO and LLMO based on fudamental research of SEO relevant patents, research papers and Google leaks analyzed for the SEO Research Suite: https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/seo-research-suite Follow now not to miss the insights!
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SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Deep search using large language models

In this episode is focussed an in-depth analysis of a Microsoft patent for a "deep search" system that leverages Large Language Models (LLMs) to refine search results beyond traditional ranking methods. The core process involves disambiguating a user's initial query to identify a "primary intent," using a second LLM to generate more focused "alternative queries," and then using a third LLM to score the resulting web pages for relevance against the clarified intent. This hybrid architecture signals an acknowledgement that traditional algorithms excel at recall (finding broad results) but require LLMs for semantic precision and intent-based ranking, especially for sensitive or complex topics where trustworthiness is given critical weighting. The process also suggests that content creation should shift from simple keyword optimization to intent optimization to achieve high scores in this new paradigm.https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/deep-search-using-large-language-models

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1 week ago
14 minutes 29 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Surfacing in-depth articles in search results

This episode is focussing a  Google patent describing a system for identifying and showcasing high-quality, long-form content in search results, known as "in-depth articles." This system uses a sophisticated, two-phase methodology that first identifies authoritative seed websites and then calculates an In-Depth Article (IDA) Score for content based on various factors. Key scoring criteria include the Article Score (favoring long, narrative paragraphs), the Evergreen Score (measuring sustained interest over time), and the Commercial Score, which functions as a hard filter to exclude overtly sales-focused pages. Finally, the patent outlines how this content is surfaced to the user by combining its pre-calculated IDA Score with a query-specific topicality score, providing a clear blueprint for content creators focused on expertise, authority, and relevance.

https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/surfacing-in-depth-articles-in-search-results

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2 weeks ago
11 minutes 33 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Contextual search tool in a browser interface

This episode ia about a Google patent for a contextual search tool that operates within a web browser interface.

This innovative system addresses the problem of users losing context when searching for information by allowing them to view search results and suggestions in a dedicated, browser-controlled area while the original webpage remains visible. The tool functions by extracting "core content" from the viewed page, excluding advertisements and third-party widgets, and then using this extracted content—which includes text, images, and semantic structure—to generate highly relevant search queries, summaries, or Q&A responses. The document also outlines the methodology for content creators to structure their webpages using semantic HTML and rich accessibility attributes to increase the relevance and prominence of their information within the new search tool, linking this process to Generative Engine Optimization (GEO).


https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/contextual-search-tool-in-a-browser-interface

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3 weeks ago
12 minutes 50 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Generative Retrieval for Conversational Question Answering

This episode is focussing an academic paper by Microsoft introduces Generative Retrieval for Conversational Question Answering (GCoQA), a novel approach designed to enhance passage retrieval in conversational systems by addressing limitations found in traditional dual-encoder architectures. GCoQA utilizes an encoder–decoder framework to assign unique identifiers to passages and retrieves them by generating these identifiers token-by-token. The authors contend that this generative method overcomes the "embedding bottleneck" and facilitates more fine-grained, token-level interactions with the conversation context, which is crucial for handling ambiguous conversational queries. Experiments across three public datasets—OR-QuAC, QRECC, and TOPIOCQA—demonstrate that GCoQA achieves significant relative improvements in both passage and document retrieval accuracy, while also being notably more memory-efficient and faster than comparison methods. The paper concludes by discussing the method's practical implications, current limitations, and avenues for future research in generative retrieval.https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/generative-retrieval-for-conversational-question-answering

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1 month ago
16 minutes 19 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Efficient inner product operations

This episode is focussing a Google patent outlines a system and method for performing highly efficient and accurate item retrieval within large datasets using a hybrid vector space inner-product search. The core innovation involves storing data and processing queries using hybrid records split into a dense component (for semantic meaning) and a sparse component (for specific keywords or identifiers). By calculating similarity scores for each component separately and then combining them, the system overcomes the performance challenges associated with simultaneously processing heterogeneous data types, which are common in modern search engines and machine learning operations. The text also provides criteria for classifying data dimensions as sparse or dense, typically based on a frequency threshold, and explains how content should be structured to satisfy both components for better search ranking.

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1 month ago
12 minutes 51 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Systems and methods for providing reliable information for queries

The episode is focussing a patent by Microsoft Technology Licensing LLC for a system designed to deliver reliable, expert-verified information in response to user queries. This system aims to combat misinformation from traditional search engines and generative AI by accessing an expert knowledge base containing only answers from verified expert identifiers. When a query is submitted, the system classifies its field of expertise, converts the query into a vector, and then searches the expert knowledge base for a closely matching, pre-existing expert answer, delivering it directly without modification. If no answer is found, the system can obtain a new one from a verified expert. For content creators, this system signifies a shift from traditional SEO to establishing verifiable authority and producing highly focused, accurate content within a specific field of expertise, as the value lies in the direct, authoritative answer rather than website traffic.


https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/systems-and-methods-for-providing-reliable-information-for-queries


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2 months ago
11 minutes 47 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
What we can learn from DOJ trial and API Leak for SEO?

This episode is focussing the article "What we can learn from DOJ trial and API Leak for SEO?" by Olaf Kopp It examines recent disclosures from the DOJ antitrust trial against Google and a 2024 Google API leak. The author uses a Google Leak Analyzer to compile and summarize these insights, focusing on how they reveal the inner workings of Google's search algorithms and ranking systems. The piece explores key areas such as the role of user signals, the use of click data through systems like Navboost and Glue, and the significance of E-E-A-T (Expertise, Authoritativeness, Trustworthiness) in quality evaluation. Additionally, it discusses algorithm development, the impact of Generative AI (GenAI) on search, and provides conclusions for SEO professionals based on these newly revealed mechanisms.

https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/what-we-can-learn-from-doj-trial-and-api-leak-for-seo

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2 months ago
19 minutes 17 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: User embedding models for personalization of sequence processing models

This Google patent disussed in this espisode describes a machine-learned system for personalizing sequence processing models, such as large language models, by integrating user preferences and contextual data. It outlines a method where an embedding model creates representations of a user's history, which are then combined with task instructions to generate tailored outputs. The system leverages knowledge graphs to enrich understanding of relationships and facilitate dynamic adaptation to user behavior, ultimately improving the accuracy and relevance of personalized recommendations. The approach aims to enhance the generative capabilities of AI systems by reducing cognitive load and supporting complex queries through dynamically updated user embeddings.

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2 months ago
14 minutes 57 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Generative Search Engine Result Documents

This episode outlines a Microsoft patent for a generative search engine results system designed to create interactive and comprehensive search result documents using large generative models (LGMs). The system addresses the limitations of traditional search by structuring information into organized topics with visual layouts and answer cards. It operates by receiving a user query, obtaining search links, and then using multiple LGMs to generate unformatted content, match answer cards to relevant sections, and create layout guidelines before producing a formatted document. The system also details strategies for handling conflicting information, incorporating user personalization, validating answer accuracy, and capturing user intent, all while discussing implications for content creation and search engine optimization.https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/generative-search-engine-results-documents

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2 months ago
12 minutes 41 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Generating vector representations of documents

The espisode is focussing a Google patent (US10803380B2) detailing a method for generating vector representations of documents using a trained neural network system. This process involves unsupervised training to capture semantic similarities between documents, moving beyond traditional keyword matching. Such vector embeddings enable improved document retrieval and ranking in search engines by understanding contextual meaning and allowing for dynamic, personalized search algorithms. Ultimately, understanding this process can inform content creation strategies for better semantic relevance and search engine optimization.

https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/generating-vector-representations-of-documents

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2 months ago
14 minutes 23 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Information extraction from question and answer websites

The discussed Google patent deals with extracting information from Question and Answer (Q&A) websites to enhance information retrieval, particularly for search engines. This system identifies questions and answers, then extracts and scores relationships between entities mentioned within the text based on their frequency across multiple sources. The patent details a step-by-step methodology for this extraction, from accessing Q&A databases to establishing and scoring entity relationships. Furthermore, the text explores how the insights gained from this process can be applied to improve SEO strategies by analyzing common question patterns, identifying content gaps, and creating content that clearly structures questions and answers to boost relevance for both users and Large Language Models (LLMs).


https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/information-extraction-from-question-and-answer-websites

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3 months ago
13 minutes 13 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search paper of the week: Deep Researcher with Test-Time Diffusion

The document discussed in this episodde introduces Test-Time Diffusion Deep Researcher (TTD-DR), a novel framework from Google that significantly enhances deep research agents powered by Large Language Models (LLMs) by mimicking human writing cycles. This approach models research report generation as a diffusion process involving planning, drafting, and continuous refinement through retrieval mechanisms and self-evolutionary algorithms. The methodology outlines steps from research plan generation and iterative search and synthesis to self-evolution and report-level denoising with retrieval, culminating in a final report. Automated feedback mechanisms and dynamic query generation through "query fan-out" are crucial for refining drafts, ensuring comprehensive and accurate outputs on complex research tasks.https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/deep-researcher-with-test-time-diffusion

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3 months ago
15 minutes 53 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Query Fan-Out: The Evolution of AI Search

This episode is discussing a comprhensive article covering the evolution of search technology, specifically focusing on the transition from query refinement and query augmentation to the more advanced query fan-out technique in the age of generative AI and AI Agents. It explains how query fan-out expands a single user query into multiple sub-queries to retrieve more comprehensive and personalized results, particularly within Google's AI Overviews and AI Mode. The sources also highlight the crucial role of Large Language Models (LLMs) in generating synthetic queries and various query variants to enhance search accuracy and address diverse user intents. This advanced approach significantly impacts traditional keyword research by moving towards a more dynamic and context-aware information retrieval process.


https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/from-query-refinement-to-query-fan-out-search-in-times-of-generative-ai-and-ai-agents

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3 months ago
22 minutes 46 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Identifying query aspects

The provided patent from the SEO Research Suite centers on methods and systems for identifying and utilizing "aspects" within search queries maybe for query fan out, particularly those containing entities, to enhance search result organization. This technology helps categorize information by different characteristics associated with a searched entity, like "beaches" or "hotels" for "Hawaii."


https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/identifying-query-aspects

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3 months ago
12 minutes 50 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Deep Dive into Vector Similarity Search Technologies

This episode explore advancements in Maximum Inner Product Search (MIPS), a crucial technique for vector similarity search in machine learning and information retrieval. Several sources highlight Google's ScaNN library and its enhancements like SOAR (Spilling with Orthogonality-Amplified Residuals), which boost efficiency and accuracy in finding similar data points. The concept of Anisotropic Vector Quantization is also introduced as a key innovation in ScaNN for better inner product estimation. Furthermore, the texts discuss REALM (Retrieval-Augmented Language Model Pre-training), which integrates MIPS to enable language models to explicitly retrieve knowledge, and MUVERA (Multi-Vector Retrieval via Fixed Dimensional Encodings), presenting novel graph-based methods like PSP (Proximity Graph with Spherical Pathway) and Adaptive Early Termination (AET) to optimize MIPS, with real-world applications in e-commerce search engines. The collection collectively emphasizes the shift towards semantic understanding in search and its implications for SEO strategies.

https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/what-is-mips-maximum-inner-product-search-and-its-impact-on-seo

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3 months ago
10 minutes 28 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search Patent of the week: Subquery generation from a query (Query fan out)

In this episode is discussed  the patent "Subquery generation from a query" which focused on processing complex search queries. The system aims to break down a single, elaborate query into multiple subqueries (Query afn out), enhancing efficiency for users. This methodology can also be applied to splitting prompts for Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG), indicating its relevance beyond traditional search.

https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/subquery-generation-from-a-query


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4 months ago
13 minutes 31 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
LLM Readability and Chunk Relevance for AI Citation Optimization

This episode discussed thoughts by Olaf Kopp, an expert in semantic SEO, Generatine Engine Optimization (GEO) and AI search technology, focuses on Large Language Model Optimization (LLMO), also known as Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). It explains that LLM readability and chunk relevance are the most crucial factors for content to be cited by generative AI systems like Google AIMode and ChatGPT. The text details how AI search systems utilize a grounding process through Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG) to enhance responses by incorporating external, relevant information. It further breaks down the specific factors contributing to both LLM readability, such as natural language quality and clear structuring, and chunk relevance, emphasizing the semantic similarity between queries and content segments. The author developed these concepts to help content creators optimize their material for improved visibility and citation in AI-generated overviews.


https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/llm-readability-chunk-relevance-the-most-influential-factors-to-become-citation-worthy-by-llms


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4 months ago
15 minutes 22 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: Scaling Generative Retrieval to Millions of Passages

This episode primarily discusses generative retrieval, an emerging approach in information retrieval that directly maps user queries to document identifiers using sequence-to-sequence models, contrasting it with traditional methods like dual encoders and retrieval-augmented generation (RAG). A central theme is the scalability challenge of generative retrieval, particularly when expanding to millions of documents, highlighting the critical role of synthetic query generation (query fan out) in improving performance and bridging the gap between document indexing and retrieval. The text also explores various document identifier (DocID) representation techniques and their implications for efficiency and scalability. Finally, it offers best practices for optimizing web content for better retrieval by generative models, emphasizing structured content, clear language, and SEO strategies for Large Language Model Optimization (LLMO).

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4 months ago
17 minutes 58 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
The Evolution of Search: From Phrase Indexing to Generative Passage Retrieval

Today, we're diving deep into a topic that's fundamentally reshaping our digital world: the future of semantic and generative search.

We've come a long way from the early days of the internet when search engines primarily relied on basic keyword matching. If your query didn't contain the exact words, you often missed out on relevant information. Our journey then evolved to a more sophisticated phrase-based understanding, where systems began to identify meaningful sequences of words and their interrelationships, considering factors like information gain to determine how well one phrase predicts another.

Now, we are firmly in an era of contextual, generative passage retrieval. Modern search isn't just about showing you a list of links; it's about providing direct, precise answers. This involves sophisticated techniques like extracting candidate answer passages from top-ranked resources, scoring them based on query-dependent and independent factors, and even taking into account their hierarchical position within a document.

We'll explore how systems are generating thematic search results, where content is automatically clustered into short, descriptive themes like "cost of living" or "neighborhoods" for a query about "moving to Denver". This allows for a guided, drill-down exploration without manually re-typing queries. We'll also discuss how cutting-edge approaches like GINGER (Grounded Information Nugget-Based Generation of Responses) are breaking down content into "atomic information units" or "nuggets" to ensure factual accuracy, prevent hallucinations, and facilitate source attribution. This approach even utilizes synthetic queries to bridge the gap between document indexing and retrieval tasks, training models to understand a broader range of user intents.

What does all this mean for you, the content creator? It means the game has changed. To thrive, you must adapt by focusing on:

  • Highly Structured Content: Utilizing clear headings and subheadings, structured data markup like Schema.org, and organized lists or bullet points.
  • Semantically Rich Content: Emphasizing phrases over individual words, optimizing for depth of content and ensuring comprehensive passage coverage.
  • User-Centric and Readable Content: Crafting clear, concise, and often simplified answers, directly addressing potential user questions, and monitoring user engagement metrics like pogo-sticking.

Perhaps most critically, the ongoing importance of factual accuracy, verifiable sources, and clarity remains paramount in this age of AI-generated responses. Stay with us as we delve into these topics and uncover actionable strategies to help your content stand out in the evolving search ecosystem.

https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/the-evolution-of-search-from-phrase-indexing-to-generative-passage-retrieval

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4 months ago
13 minutes 51 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
Search patent of the week: REGEN: A Dataset and Benchmarks with Natural Language Critiques and Narratives

In this episode is discussed REGEN, a unique dataset designed to improve conversational recommender models by incorporating natural language critiques and rich narratives from Amazon Product Reviews. Unlike traditional datasets focusing on sequential predictions, REGEN enhances Large Language Models (LLMs) by providing user feedback, product endorsements, purchase reasons, and user summaries, all personalized. This approach aims to create more engaging and personalized recommendations that mirror natural human interaction. Furthermore, the documents explore how insights from these critiques can inform SEO strategies, optimizing product listings for e-commerce through keyword optimization, content enrichment, tailored marketing campaigns, and improved user experience, ultimately enhancing LLM optimization and visibility in generative AI contexts.

https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/patents-papers/regen-a-dataset-and-benchmarks-with-natural-language-critiques-and-narratives

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4 months ago
14 minutes 46 seconds

SEO Research Suite - The SEO and LLMO / GEO thought leading podcast
2-3 times a week in the podcast are discussed Google patents, research papers and other hot topics like E-E-A-T, LLMO, Generative Engine Optimization (GEO), semantic search and Ranking. This podcast gives you exclusive insights about SEO and LLMO based on fudamental research of SEO relevant patents, research papers and Google leaks analyzed for the SEO Research Suite: https://www.kopp-online-marketing.com/seo-research-suite Follow now not to miss the insights!