Susan had been betrayed from almost birth. 

But she didn’t feel it until her fifties. 

She didn’t feel it until her adult world was also turned upside down by betrayal. As the repressed pain burst to the surface, Susan struggled. She eventually turned to psychedelic therapy, with one question consuming her: 

Could she heal years of betrayal?

Chapters

(00:00) Intro clip

(01:33) Notes on how we’re implementing fact-checking. 

(03:30) Why did you start doing psychedelics for therapy?

(08:06) Could you see & trust your husband was changing while you were going through so much?

(10:21) Did you or your husband use traditional psychotherapy before psychedelics?

(12:56) The first psychedelic therapy session.

(14:50) Had you changed the abuse in your mind? 

(21:59) Did the fact that your grandfather served jail time provide any relief?  

(25:24) What happened in your life after psychedelics surfaced the trauma? 

(26:55) How did ketamine help you?

(29:14) Did you ever regret doing psychedelic therapy?

(30:35) Could you give an example of how trauma had negatively impacted you in ways you were aware of before this therapy?

(33:03) Could you explain how trauma impacted how you saw the world?

(37:11) What was the next big psychedelic session?

(41:48) Susan experiences her grandfather as a child. 

(45:43) Andy & Susan talk about experiencing sexual abuse as a child and the power of forgiveness.

Secret Wilderness' theme song is “Winter Solstice” by Löwenzahnhonig. Released by Inselgruppe, published by A Tree in a Field.