Curly Steve speaks with Rai Lewis, co-founder of Plant One Cornwall, about the urgent need to restore Cornwall’s lost woodlands. They explore why planting the right trees in the right places matters, the role of genetic diversity, and the pressures on land use in Britain. Rai also shares five practical tips anyone can start today. A hopeful conversation on woodlands, climate action, and community resilience.

Curly Steve and marine biologist Ben Marshall explore what it really takes to rebuild lobster populations and why Cornwall’s hatchery efforts are vital to ocean health. Ben shares his journey from running music venues to leading production at the National Lobster Hatchery in Cornwall, where he now works on the frontline of marine conservation. Discover the extraordinary life cycle of lobsters, the threats they face from pollution and overfishing, and how scientists and fishermen can work together. Learn surprising facts such as why lobsters might not age biologically, along with practical ways we can all make more sustainable choices, from food miles to simple daily habits. This inspiring conversation shows how small actions add up to big change. Subscribe to Searching for a Greener Room on your favourite platform and visit greenerroom.org to explore more stories that connect us to nature.

Curly Steve and Lizzi discuss the healing power of water, the roots of Blue Health coaching, and how reconnecting with the ocean can inspire wiser choices, deeper wellbeing, and a stronger sense of reciprocity with nature.

The Chat The Guest: Pete Fraser Owner of Harbour Lights Fish & Chip Shop, Fraser’s Fish & Chips, and Kona; Sustainability Advocate in the Fish & Chip Industry The Chat From Navy to the Fryer Pete shares his journey from a Royal Navy helicopter observer to fish and chip shop owner, explaining how friendship and a leap into business ownership with Harbour Lights set him on a new path. After an amicable split with his first business partner, Pete found his stride, growing Harbour Lights and carving out a leadership role in bringing sustainability into the fish and chip world. Sustainability on the Plate Pete explains how his frustration with the lack of guidance on sustainable sourcing in the mid-2000s sparked a mission. Discovering only a handful of shops cared about sustainability at the time, he pushed forward, using MSC certification, engaging with the Cornwall Wildlife Trust, and adopting the Cornwall Good Seafood Guide. Dressing up in a cod outfit to teach children about sustainable fish, he learnt the power of fun and simple messages in shifting mindsets. Fish, Chips, Oil, and Packaging Pete takes us through the practicalities behind the nation’s favourite meal. Cod and haddock dominate UK diets, but he champions alternatives like pollock and Cornish hake, crediting celebrity chefs for helping expand public tastes. Chips, far from simple, are shaped by climate, storage, and supply challenges, with farmers balancing rain and sun to produce the perfect potato. On oil, Pete challenges misconceptions about palm oil, showing why responsibly sourced palm oil remains the most sustainable option when compared with alternatives like rapeseed. Packaging, too, comes with its complexities: biodegradable boxes only truly work if councils provide proper waste streams, highlighting the gap between policy pressure and practical recycling. Keeping it Light Pete emphasises that fish and chips should always be a joyful experience. His approach combines education with humour, encouraging customers to be brave, try new species, and see sustainability not as sacrifice but as adventure. Top Achievable Tips Try a new fish species each month Give the Big Five a miss (cod, haddock, prawns, salmon, tuna) Try vegan alternatives such as tofu “fish” Root to peel, head to tail: cut food waste by using the whole ingredient Support local food producers and farm shops Spend 10 minutes with your council’s waste guide to recycle better Evidence Harbour Lights Fish Buying Policy 2025 Cornwall Good Seafood Guide (Cornwall Wildlife Trust) Chester Zoo Sustainable Palm Oil Statement Consumer Fish Buying Behaviour Report (University of Exeter) Sunday Times Feature on Harbour Lights What One Thing Can We Do Today to Make a Better Tomorrow? Pete’s advice is simple: lighten up. Take sustainability seriously, but do it with laughter, kindness, and joy. A lighter touch reduces conflict and creates more change than anger or blame. Contact Details Harbour Lights Fish & Chips: www.harbourlights.co.uk Fraser’s Fish & Chips: www.frasersfishandchips.co.uk Kona: www.kona-cornwall.co.uk LinkedIn: Pete Fraser Instagram: @harbourlightsfalmouth

The Guest: Chris Jones Farmer, Environmental Advocate, Lead Partner at the Cornwall Beaver Project, Co-Founder of the Beaver Trust The Chat From Soil Loss to Regeneration Chris shares the early days of Woodland Valley Farm, tracing his journey from traditional mixed farming through to environmental collapse under industrial daffodil growers. The devastation of the soil pushed him to rethink everything. He adopted organic farming, stopped ploughing, and started letting nature lead. His cows now graze in a rotational system that mimics wild herds, breaking parasite cycles and feeding dung beetles, which in turn feed endangered species like the greater horseshoe bat. Building Resilience Through Beavers Repeated local floods and the absence of state funding led Chris to a simple question: what if beavers could do the job for free? Since introducing them in partnership with Cornwall Wildlife Trust, the changes have been dramatic. Flood surges are delayed by hours, silt is held on land instead of washing into the sea, and standing water has made the farm more drought-resistant. Fish have returned in larger numbers and sizes, thanks to complex dam systems providing shelter and food. Even water quality has improved, with nitrates filtering out naturally through the beavers' wetlands. Biodiversity on the Rise From amphibians to bats, reptiles to mammals, the whole site is now alive with activity. Chris compares a stream without beavers to a smoky bonfire. Add beavers, and it’s like throwing petrol on it. Everything ignites. Algae supports insects, which feed birds, mammals, and fish. Polecats, grass snakes, otters, and 11 species of bats now call the site home. Letting Beavers Lead Chris explains that the current five-acre fenced enclosure is useful for research and accessibility, but he's in favour of letting beavers roam freely across Cornwall. Beavers, once settled, tend to stay. The challenge lies not in their behaviour but in the bureaucracy. Licences from Natural England are expensive and complex, pushing the burden onto charities and landowners. Still, Chris is hopeful: more wild populations are thriving quietly across rivers like the Tamar and the Otter. Human Intervention: Minimal Apart from fencing and a wheelchair-accessible walkway, very little has been done by humans. The space is a living demonstration of what happens when you step back and let beavers do what they do best. A Tour of the Beaver Chris gives a brilliant rundown of beaver anatomy and adaptations, from fat-storing tails and waterproof fur to self-sharpening teeth and underwater-chewing cheeks. Once nearly wiped out for their underfur, they are now making a quiet comeback. Hope for the Future Despite climate challenges and policy barriers, Chris remains hopeful. He points to the younger generation of farmers, the growing evidence base, and the sheer impact of letting beavers reshape the land. Chris’s Top Achievable Tips Grow your own food, even in a pot Install a dry composting toilet Buy local and organic whenever you can Actively support beaver reintroduction schemes Visit Cornwall Beaver Project and spread the word Chris’s Evidence Three Against the Wilderness by Eric Collier Eager by Ben Goldfarb Cornwall Beaver Project research and case study River Otter Beaver Trial (England’s first licensed wild release) Farm Carbon Cutting Toolkit What One Thing Can We Do Today to Make a Better Tomorrow? Drive less. Walk more. Use public transport when you can.Chris is clear: using less oil and gas is vital, and personal choices matter. It starts with us. Contact Details Cornwall Beaver Projectwww.cornwallbeaverproject.orgInstagram: @cornwallbeaverprojectEmail: info@cornwallbeaverproject.org

The Chat The Guest: Kate RichardsFounder of Radical Wax | Tennis Coach | Former Lifeguard The Chat Cornish Roots and a Life OutdoorsKate grew up in Cornwall, always outside, always moving. Early passions included cricket and running, spurred on by a supportive primary school and a few stand-out teachers. Later, she transitioned into tennis, drawn to its inclusivity and long-game appeal. A Lifelong Love of the OceanFrom childhood swims to teenage surfs with her friend Hannah, the sea has always been part of Kate’s rhythm. Surfing stood out for its lack of pressure and its playful, restorative nature, a contrast to competitive sport. From Cornwall to the World and Back AgainKate travelled extensively: lifeguarding and surfing in New Zealand, coaching tennis in China and Thailand, and exploring surf spots across the globe. A decade abroad gave her fresh perspective, but Cornwall always pulled her home. The Spark Behind Radical WaxBack in Cornwall, Kate linked up with spa product company Lemongrass House. A curiosity about what was really in surf wax led her to lab test the top-selling brands. What she found was alarming: 90% of surf waxes are made with paraffin, a petroleum by-product, even those marketed as “eco”. Creating a Cleaner AlternativeAfter two years of development and setbacks (especially in getting cold-water wax to work), Radical Wax was born. Made from natural ingredients and using waste resin from essential oil production, the wax performs across all conditions. Ben Skinner’s early feedback helped shape the final product, as did input from Surfing England’s junior team. Sustainability Meets PerformanceKate is clear: a product must work or it won’t get used. Her aim is to make sustainability practical and affordable, not a luxury. She also points to the deeper problem of manufacturing systems that hold back progress, rather than brands or individuals. The Role of Community and the Next GenerationWhether it’s the inquisitive groms of today or her own young son with his first surfboard, Kate finds hope in the new wave of ocean lovers. For her, sustainability isn’t just about product swaps, it’s about mindset, responsibility, and action. Kate’s Top Achievable Tips Get informed – You don’t need a lab, just a curious mind. Dig into what’s behind the brands you use. Anything is better than nothing – Inspired by the 2 Minute Foundation, small steps can lead to real change. Get outside – Even five minutes of fresh air helps reset your mind and body. Get moving in any form – Forget the pressure, just find what you enjoy. Think about your choices – Especially how they affect future generations. It all adds up. Kate’s Evidence The Cigarette Surfboard Film – A powerful surf-led campaign showing how community action can lead to real policy change. The 89% Project – Most people want change but think they’re alone. This project shows we’re not. BBC Short: Can Surfing Ever Be Sustainable? – Covers surf industry’s environmental impact, but tellingly omits wax. Sustainable Stoke by Greg Borne – A deep dive into the challenges and ethics of surf sustainability. Into the Blue Report (The Wave) – Research into blue health and how controlled surf environments can support wellbeing for all. Contact DetailsWebsite: radicalwax.co.ukInstagram: @RadicalWaxFacebook: Radical WaxLinkedIn: Kate Richards What One Thing Can We Do Today to Make a Better Tomorrow?“Think about how your decisions today affect tomorrow.”

SfaGR with Chris Hines AUDIO Transcript Chris Hines, a long-time environmental activist and co-founder of Surfers Against Sewage (SAS), discussed his journey from surfing in Cornwall to leading campaigns against sewage pollution. He highlighted SAS's early successes, including a 1991 lobby at the Houses of Parliament that led to a £2 million research fund. Hines also shared his work at the Eden Project, where he implemented sustainable practices like the Triple Bottom Line. He emphasised the importance of community, resilience, and informed consumerism, advocating for ethical consumerism and repairing and reusing items. Hines also mentioned the impact of misinformation and the need for better environmental legislation. Action Items [ ] Research and subscribe to the Ethical Consumer magazine to make more informed purchasing decisions. [ ] Slow down, travel less, and stay longer in destinations to reduce carbon emissions. [ ] Repair, reuse, and respect the possessions and resources you have. [ ] Engage in more conversations with people and build connections within your community. Outline Chris Hines' Environmental Journey and Early Surfing Experiences Curly Steve introduces Chris Hines, highlighting his extensive environmental activism and surfing background. Chris Hines shares his early life in Plymouth, growing up near Dartmoor, and his love for the natural environment. Chris recounts his first experiences with surfing, starting with a wooden belly board and later owning a second-hand surfboard. He describes his favourite surfing spots in Cornwall, including Whitmouth, Polzeth, and Trigg Point. Formation of Surfers Against Sewage (SAS) Chris explains his transition from surfing to environmental activism, leading to the formation of SAS in 1990. He details the initial meeting in Porthtowan and St. Agnes, where the idea of SAS was born due to increasing pollution in the water. Chris describes the first public meeting in St. Agnes, which attracted over 200 people despite initial scepticism. He highlights the early challenges, including the discovery of panty liners and condoms in the water, which spurred the formation of SAS. Early Activism and the Impact of SAS Chris recounts the first public protest in the Houses of Parliament, which led to a £2 million research fund into the health effects of sewage-contaminated sea water. He discusses the impact of SAS's activism, including the introduction of the term "intelligent activism" to describe their strategic approach. Chris describes various tactics used by SAS, such as media campaigns, shareholder activism, and legal challenges to force water companies to improve their practices. He shares a memorable incident involving a 10-foot inflatable turd, which was used as a protest tool to draw attention to the issue. Challenges and Solutions in Water Treatment Chris explains the historical lack of sewage treatment works in the UK and the impact of Margaret Thatcher's statement that all sewage was treated before discharge. He describes the discovery of Jersey's effective sewage treatment system using ultraviolet light disinfection, which inspired SAS to advocate for similar solutions. Chris details the successful implementation of UV treatment in Durham and Welsh Water, which significantly improved water quality. He highlights the ongoing challenges faced by SAS, including the need for continued activism due to regressive legislation and funding cuts. Transition to the Eden Project and Introduction of Triple Bottom Line Thinking Chris discusses his transition to the Eden Project as Sustainability Director, where he implemented waste management and sustainability initiatives. He introduces the concept of the Triple Bottom Line, which balances economic, social, and environmental considerations in business practices. Chris shares an example of applying the Triple Bottom Line to the installation of a dishwasher at the Eden Project, which reduced landfill, created jobs,

Curly Steve and Matt Hocking discuss the transformative power of creativity in addressing the climate crisis. Matt, founder of LEAP, a B Corp design studio, emphasises the importance of ecological and social responsibility in design. He shares his journey from early creative influences to leading at the Eden Project, where he implemented sustainable practices. Matt highlights the significance of B Corp certification, which he achieved in 2005, and the impact of his work on environmental standards. He also introduces the concept of "enoughism," advocating for balanced activism and practical steps like switching to ethical banks and adopting sustainable practices in daily life.

Curly Steve and Stephen Murphy discuss the impact of home energy use on the UK's carbon emissions, which account for 20%. Stephen, a low-carbon energy advisor, emphasises the importance of insulation, particularly loft and solid wall insulation, and the benefits of heat pumps over traditional heating systems. He highlights the role of Community Energy Plus in guiding homeowners through retrofitting processes, including grants and financing options like the Boiler Upgrade Scheme. Stephen also stresses the need for proper ventilation and moisture control during retrofits. The conversation concludes with practical tips for reducing energy use and the importance of starting the retrofitting journey.

Jane Gray, known as the Nettle Lady, shared her journey from Brighton to Cornwall, highlighting her transformation from a stay-at-home mother to a university graduate and nettle weaver. She discussed her challenges, including a tumour diagnosis and the loss of her great friend, Howard. Jane emphasised the health and sustainability benefits of nettles, including their use in textiles and teas. She founded Nettle Revolution, promoting natural fibres and sustainable practices. Jane also mentioned her involvement in the Golden Zones project and her son's gratitude journaling app, which has positively impacted her outlook. She advocates for using nettles for their numerous health and environmental benefits.

Nigel Gooding, a data privacy advisor and doctoral student, discussed his journey from Exeter to Cornwall, his business in data protection, and his doctoral research on sustainable business in Cornwall's natural landscapes. He highlighted the challenges of balancing environmental sustainability with economic viability, particularly in tourism and farming. Nigel emphasised the importance of AI in fraud detection and data privacy, advocating for marginal gains in environmental protection. He recommended resources like "The Coming Wave" by Mustafa Suleyman and "Cannibals with Forks" by John Elkington for deeper insights into AI and business sustainability.

Curly Steve interviews Zoey Cotton, founder of Saunassa, a contrast therapy space in Cornwall. Zoey shares her journey from managing a $6 million ski bar in Whistler, Canada, to establishing Saunassa. She emphasises the benefits of contrast therapy, including improved cardiovascular health and mental well-being. Zoey discusses the importance of community, inclusivity, and social prescribing, where GPs can prescribe sauna sessions. She highlights Saunassa's unique features, such as wood-fired saunas and cold baths, and her commitment to making wellness accessible. Zoey also mentions her involvement in the British Sauna Society and the Sauna Aid Project, which provides saunas to vulnerable communities. Action Items Practice being a kinder person and leading with kindness. Check out Saunassa on Instagram: @saunassa_spa and their website: https://saunassa.co.uk/ Connect with Zoey on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoey-cotton-107878170/

Curly Steve and Jake discuss the impact of eco-anxiety on individuals' actions and empowerment. Jake explains that eco anxiety is a range of emotions, including numbness, motivation, and fear, in response to the climate crisis. He emphasises the importance of community, reflective activities, and visualisation in overcoming eco-anxiety. Jake highlights the significant impact of dietary changes, particularly shifting to plant-based diets, which reduce land and water usage by 75%. He also discusses the role of protests and financial actions, such as switching to sustainable banks, in driving systemic change. Jake shares his personal experiences with protests and the importance of balancing personal contradictions while advocating for sustainability.