This podcast seeks to learn what war teaches. There has been a steady decline in the study of military history and its associated theoretical discipline, strategy.This podcast seeks to fill that gap through in-depth interviews on military and diplomatic history. Our guests have included former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the Cold War historian John Lewis Gaddis, and former China Select Committee chairman Mike Gallagher. We discuss the battlefield commanders, diplomats, strategists, policymakers, and statesmen who have had to make wartime decisions in the ancient and modern eras. The subject of an episode may be an historical battle, campaign, or conflict; the conduct of policy in the course of a major international incident; the work of a famous strategist; the nature of a famous weapon; or the legacy of an important military commander or political leader.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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This podcast seeks to learn what war teaches. There has been a steady decline in the study of military history and its associated theoretical discipline, strategy.This podcast seeks to fill that gap through in-depth interviews on military and diplomatic history. Our guests have included former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the Cold War historian John Lewis Gaddis, and former China Select Committee chairman Mike Gallagher. We discuss the battlefield commanders, diplomats, strategists, policymakers, and statesmen who have had to make wartime decisions in the ancient and modern eras. The subject of an episode may be an historical battle, campaign, or conflict; the conduct of policy in the course of a major international incident; the work of a famous strategist; the nature of a famous weapon; or the legacy of an important military commander or political leader.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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Major General Mick Ryan, Australian Army (retired), Senior Fellow for Military Studies the Lowy Institute and author of the Futura Doctrina substack, joins the show to discuss the current state of the Ukraine war. We cover tactical innovations, the challenges of operations and strategy, the structure of the Ukrainian military, the political landscape under Zelensky, and the industrial capabilities of both Ukraine and Russia.
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00:00 State of Play
02:28 Tactical Innovations and Challenges in Ukraine
05:38 The Role of Drones
08:36 Russian Tactical Innovations and the Rubikon Units
11:45 Historical Parallels: Lessons from World War I
14:37 The Thousand Bites Approach: Russian Strategy Explained
17:46 Ukrainian Brigade Composition and Organizational Changes
23:19 Understanding the Ukrainian Military Structure
29:47 Challenges in Casualty Ratios and Manpower
37:37 Long-Range Strike Capabilities and Adaptation
40:29 Strategic Thinking in the Ukrainian Military
46:18 Industrial Base and Support Dynamics
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Marc Milner, Emeritus Professor of History at the University of New Brunswick and author of Second Front: Anglo-American Rivalry and the Hidden Story of the Normandy Campaign, joins the show to discuss the turbulent passing of the torch of Western hegemony during WWII.
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02:50 1917
10:52 American Battle Monuments Commission
14:31 FDR and the British Empire
21:36 American views on the Nazis
30:40 FDR at the Tehran Conference
35:42 Plans Before the Invasion of France
40:48 The British Empire and National Strategy
50:25 Churchill and the Russians in 1944
56:00 A Sophisticated Understanding of Imperial Politics
01:00:18 Revisionist Views of WWII
01:06:00 Communist and Fascist Extremism
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Nicholas Wright, neuroscientist and author of Warhead: How the Brain Shapes War and War Shapes the Brain, joins the show to explore the implications of neuroscience for warmaking.
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01:20 Neurology
02:57 Intelligence Defined
07:06 Mapping the Brain
17:05 How Modeling Happens
27:15 Outthinking and Outlearning the Enemy
30:25 Prioritization and Survival
35:15 Fear and the Fall of France in 1940
44:48 Enhancing Military Training
49:47 AI and Its Impact on Human Cognition
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Host Aaron MacLean pays tribute to his father, World War Two and Vietnam Veteran Angus MacLean. This memorial originally ran in the publication Engelsberg Ideas.
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Edward Luce, U.S. national editor and columnist at the Financial Times and author of Zbig: The Life of Zbigniew Brzezinski, America's Great Power Prophet,joins the show to discuss one of the most interesting characters of the Cold War, Jimmy Carter’s national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski.
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00:00 The Life and Legacy of Zbigniew Brzezinski
02:55 Carter's Foreign Policy and Brzezinski's Influence
05:56 Contrasting Worldviews: Brzezinski vs. Kissinger
08:52 The Formative Years: War and Identity
11:35 The Cold War Landscape and Brzezinski's Rise
14:34 Order vs. Justice: Diverging Philosophies
17:55 Brzezinski's Strategic Vision for the Cold War
20:57 The Vietnam War and Its Impact on Brzezinski
23:47 Brzezinski's Approach to Foreign Policy
28:35 The Rise of Jimmy Carter and the Trilateral Commission
32:12 Carter's Foreign Policy Challenges: The Middle East and Iran
37:15 Human Rights and the Shift from Nixon to Carter
45:27 Reagan's Continuity and Change: A New Era in Foreign Policy
51:19 The Iranian Revolution and Brzezinski's Legacy
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Oren Cass, founder and chief economist of American Compass and author of the article A Grand Strategy of Reciprocity for Foreign Affairs, joins the show to discuss how the United States should think about the current strategic moment.
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00:01 Introduction to Free Markets and Trade
00:43 Discussion on China and Global Strategy
02:15 Historical Context of American Grand Strategy
04:40 Assumptions about China
07:40 Strategic Competition and Spheres of Influence
10:00 Economic Decoupling and Its Challenges
13:30 Relationships with Other Countries
16:00 Concept of Reciprocity in Alliances
20:00 US-Mexico-Canada Relations and Global Implications
25:00 The Role of the Trump Administration
30:00 Future of Global Alliances
35:00 Economic and Security Strategies
40:00 Conclusion and Final Thought
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Alexander Mikaberidze, Professor of History at LSU Shreveport and contributor to An Unavoidable Evil: Siege Warfare in the Age of Napoleon (From Reason to Revolution 1721-1815), joins the show to discuss the siege of Brăila and the lessons of the Russo-Ottoman War of 1806-1812.
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00:00 The Shifting Balance of Power in the Black Sea
02:00 Siege Warfare in the Age of Napoleon
04:09 Decisive Battles vs. Positional Warfare
08:30 The Evolution of Strategy: 18th to 19th Century
14:16 The Debate on Siege Tactics in the Russian Military
21:27 Kutuzov's Strategic Evolution
25:26 Geopolitical Context: Russia and the Ottoman Empire's Rivalry
31:31 The Siege of Brăila: A Military Catastrophe
38:39 The Cost of War: Casualties and Consequences
50:40 Lessons in Military Culture: Accountability and Adaptation
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Joshua S. Treviño, Chief Transformation Officer at the Texas Public Policy Foundation and senior advisor at the America First Policy Institute, joins the show to discuss the Trump administration’s military strikes on seaborne cartel traffic and its strategy in the Western Hemisphere.
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00:00 Understanding U.S. Military Strategy in Venezuela
02:26 The State-Cartel Synthesis: A New Paradigm
05:30 The Role of the U.S. Military in Drug Interdiction
08:39 Legal Framework and Controversies Surrounding Military Actions
11:46 The Broader Implications of Regime Change
14:26 Divisions on the Right: Perspectives on Foreign Policy
21:50 The Strategic Implications of Military Action Against Maduro
30:19 Assessing the Venezuelan Opposition's Readiness
33:53 Colombia's Evolving Relationship with the U.S.
37:00 The Complex Dynamics of U.S.-Mexico Relations
41:55 The Threat of Cartels and Their Impact on U.S. Society
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Michael Sobolik, senior fellow at Hudson Institute and author of Countering China’s Great Game: A Strategy for American Dominance, joins the show to discuss the current state of relations between the U.S. and China as Xi Jinping and Donald Trump are scheduled to meet in South Korea next week.
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00:00 The Broader Competition: US-China Relations
02:51 Trump's Trade Strategy: A Historical Perspective
09:35 China's Strategic Objectives: Beyond Economics
14:16 Xi Jinping's Goals: The Summit Agenda
18:20 Export Controls: A New Era of Trade Tensions
22:36 The Stakes of No Deal: Economic and Strategic Implications
26:35 Decoupling from China: Challenges and Opportunities
33:05 Defining a Good Deal: Beyond Trade
37:22 TikTok: The Information Warfare Front
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Julian Jackson, Emeritus Professor of Modern French History at Queen Mary University of London and author of France on Trial: The Case of Marshal Pétain, joins the show to discuss the rise and fall of “the Lion of Verdun”; Philippe Pétain.
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01:06 Introduction
01:53 How Pétain became the “Hero of France” in WW1
11:32 France sues for peace with Germany in 1940
18:52 The legality of the armistice
27:49 Churchill’s take on the armistice
33:48 What Was Vichy France?
41:43 Vichy’s treatment of the Jews
53:05 Distancing France from extermination
58:13 Why does Pétain stay a servant to the Nazis
01:07:38 Vichy and Pétain on trial today
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Lance R. Blyth, command historian at the North American Aerospace Defense Command and author of Ski, Climb, Fight: The 10th Mountain Division and the Rise of Mountain Warfare, joins the show to discuss the history and tactics of fighting at altitude.
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• 01:31 Introduction
• 01:41 Marine
• 04:55 L.A. riots
• 07:22 From horses to skis
• 10:13 Antecedents
• 13:56 Advantage
• 15:40 The Germans
• 17:55 The Winter War
• 22:51 French surrender
• 25:58 Specialized divisions
• 31:37 Volunteers
• 33:49 Training
• 36:50 Delay and Italy
• 42:16 No doctrine
• 45:29 The Gothic Line
• 52:00 Success
• 55:35 Afghanistan
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Charles C. Mann, author of “How the System Works” in The New Atlantis, joins the show to discuss the complexity and vulnerability of the hidden processes that sustain human life on our planet.
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• 01:49 Introduction
• 02:31 Interconnected
• 05:43 Medical care
• 09:20 Feeding humanity
• 11:56 Three advances
• 20:42 Water
• 26:34 Energy
• 36:05 Keeping pace
• 38:35 Hurdles
• 41:12 Solutions
• 45:26 Public health
• 56:38 Concerns
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James Titterton, historian and author of Deception in Medieval Warfare: Trickery and Cunning in the Central Middle Ages, joins the show to discuss strategies and stratagems in the age of castles and knights.
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• 01:29 Introduction
• 02:18 High Middle Ages
• 09:03 Oathbreakers
• 12:01 Sources
• 16:21 Doctrine
• 22:07 Bribery
• 31:23 Spies and feints
• 39:26 Plausibility
• 42:19 Professionals
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Toshi Yoshihara, Senior Fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments and author of Mao's Army Goes to Sea: The Island Campaigns and the Founding of China's Navy, joins the show to discuss how the PLA took Beijing in 1949 by subversion, and how they may yet seize Taiwan.
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• 01:53 Introduction
• 03:24 Peaceful liberation
• 07:19 Planning and preparation
• 10:36 Isolation
• 17:30 A tradition of manipulation
• 23:51 True believers
• 28:23 Helpless
• 34:55 Political warfare
• 41:53 Surprise
• 47:32 Holy Grail
• 50:51 Fault lines
• 57:44 What to read?
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Joshua Rovner, Associate Professor in the School of International Service at American University and author of Strategy and Grand Strategy, joins the show to discuss the tension between pursuing military victory and securing a nation.
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• 01:28 Introduction
• 01:35 MIT
• 05:03 Grand strategy
• 10:45 Peloponnesian War
• 18:05 Spartan strategy
• 22:34 Pericles
• 27:18 A terrible irony
• 32:43 Disastrous victory
• 41:35 British power
• 46:13 Atomic strategy
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Tyler Grey, Delta Force veteran and author of Forged in Chaos: A Warrior's Origin Story, joins the show to discuss his experiences as a member of the U.S. Army’s most elite combat unit, his journey as a warrior, and the continuing struggle to understand post-traumatic stress.
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• 01:30 Introduction
• 01:48 Bakersfield, CA
• 06:51 Predators and prey
• 10:48 Not a choice
• 17:11 Rangers
• 23:15 Elite infantry
• 28:37 9/11
• 33:43 Pakistan border
• 41:20 Sniper team
• 44:22 Luck and health
• 47:05 Master of the basics
• 51:36 Fallujah
• 54:29 Sadr City
• 01:06:16 Chaos of combat
• 01:10:01 Lost
• 01:14:26 “LTSD”
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A. Wess Mitchell, former Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, historian, and author of Great Power Diplomacy: The Skill of Statecraft from Attila the Hun to Kissinger, joins the show to discuss just what diplomacy is.
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• 01:37 Introduction
• 02:08 Bad reutation
• 04:37 Misconceptions
• 09:35 A part of grand strategy
• 13:11 Not trickery
• 18:05 Attila the Hun
• 24:17 Appeasement
• 35:00 Other options
• 39:33 The State Department
• 44:22 Molding diplomats
• 47:31 Ukraine
• 52:47 Major risks
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Major General Mick Ryan, Australian Army (retired), Senior Fellow for Military Studies the Lowy Institute and author of the Futura Doctrina substack, joins the show to discuss his latest piece, Translating Ukraine Lessons for the Pacific Theatre.
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• 01:40 Introduction
• 02:18 Translation
• 04:03 Ground forces
• 08:40 Australian defense
• 11:25 Threats from the North
• 13:25 Chinese influence
• 16:46 The mask slips
• 19:51 What we don’t know
• 24:36 The Pacific
• 32:18 Information ops
• 37:31 Corrosive influences
• 40:15 Mass
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Ran Baratz, military historian and former senior Israeli official, and author of What's Wrong with the Postmodern Military?, joins the show to discuss operations in Gaza and problems with how the IDF officer corps thinks about war.
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• 01:37 Introduction
• 02:27 Gaza
• 06:23 Diplomatic obstacles
• 12:27 Worse than you think
• 15:28 Paradigm shift
• 30:23 Real wars
• 38:49 Art of the general
• 43:51 War as policy
• 50:00 Netanyahu
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Peter Rough, senior fellow and director of the Center on Europe and Eurasia at the Hudson Institute, joins the show to discuss the recent Russian drone incursions in Poland and Romania and what they mean.
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• 01:08 Introduction
• 01:35 What actually happened?
• 05:30 Destructive decoys
• 07:27 European moods
• 11:23 Rightwing response
• 16:32 Strategic autonomy
• 23:52 Zapad
• 30:00 On/off switch
• 33:31 Where do we stand?
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This podcast seeks to learn what war teaches. There has been a steady decline in the study of military history and its associated theoretical discipline, strategy.This podcast seeks to fill that gap through in-depth interviews on military and diplomatic history. Our guests have included former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, the Cold War historian John Lewis Gaddis, and former China Select Committee chairman Mike Gallagher. We discuss the battlefield commanders, diplomats, strategists, policymakers, and statesmen who have had to make wartime decisions in the ancient and modern eras. The subject of an episode may be an historical battle, campaign, or conflict; the conduct of policy in the course of a major international incident; the work of a famous strategist; the nature of a famous weapon; or the legacy of an important military commander or political leader.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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