Brian and Murdock dig at the roots of "Mrs. Robinson" only to end up on a journey through 70s cinema, childhood friendships, and especially petty songwriting. Support the show on Patreon See the show on YouTube Visit the show on Instagram Visit the show on Facebook Sign up for Brian's daily FIVE SONGS email! (It's free!) SHOW NOTES https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Nichols https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Graduate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Webb_(author) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Turman https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/07/arts/lawrence-turman-dead.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Levine https://medium.com/@jacobdowning/nichols-and-simon-and-garfunkel-cde5b6f03db5 https://valentinamariesemler.substack.com/p/revisiting-the-graduate https://www.openculture.com/2021/02/paul-simon-deconstructs-mrs-robinson-1970.html https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2015/06/01/today-in-music-history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundtrack https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/first-pop-song-used-in-a-movie Dick Cavett interview: https://youtu.be/sDqIsuIpVy4?si=Fb9MZGCEaq29IKPB https://www.openculture.com/2021/02/paul-simon-deconstructs-mrs-robinson-1970.html https://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/feb/12/art-garfunkel-paul-simon See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Brian and Murdock answer a letter asking for the backstory on what went down between the two big personalities inside The Smiths - Steven Morrissey and Johnny Marr. Support the show on Patreon See the show on YouTube Visit the show on Instagram Visit the show on Facebook Sign up for Brian's daily FIVE SONGS email! (It's free!) SHOW NOTES https://consequence.net/2025/06/johnny-marr-smiths-reunion-vibes/ https://www.vinylmeplease.com/blogs/music-industry-news/johnny-marr-rejects-smiths-reunion-offer-a-look-at-artistic-integrity-and-band-dynamics https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/the-smiths-johnny-marr-reunion-offer-turned-down-1236003199 https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/morrissey-turned-down-mega-bucks-smiths-reunion-offer-over-johnny-marr-96578/ https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jan/26/morrissey-accuses-johnny-marr-clickbait Johny Marr’s book: Set the Boy Free: https://www.amazon.com/Set-Free-Autobiography-Johnny-Marr/dp/0062438697 Morrissey’s book: Autobiography:  https://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Morrissey/dp/014310750X/ref=sr_1_1 Tony Fletcher’s book: A Light That Never Goes Out: https://www.amazon.com/Light-That-Never-Goes-Out/dp/0307715965 Chuck Klosterman’s IV (which contains the August 2002 SPIN article): https://www.amazon.com/Chuck-Klosterman-IV-Curious-Dangerous/dp/0743284895 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/artists/morrissey-johnny-marr-hate/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cilla_Black https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Is_a_Four-Letter_Word https://www.rhino.com/article/deep-dive-cilla-black-the-smiths-work-is-a-four-letter-word https://smiths.fandom.com/wiki/Joyce_v_Morrissey_%26_Ors#:~:text=In%20March%201989%2C%20Joyce%20and,and%20understood%20the%20royalty%20deal. https://www.morrissey-solo.com/news/news1296.htm https://www.salon.com/2024/08/30/a-history-of-the-smiths-beef-morrissey-and-johnny-marrs-political-divide/ https://www.brooklynvegan.com/morrissey-claims-johnny-marr-acquired-trademark-intellectual-property-rights-for-the-smiths-name/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CJ%20Marr%20has%20successfully%20applied,yet%20another%20Smiths%20best%2Dof. https://x.com/Johnny_Marr/status/1836103851666993170 https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/does-the-mexican-american-community-still-love-morrissey-despite-everything/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Brian and Murdock explore the rumor that Lennon's last album might have had some musical support from a certain set of Midwestern power-poppers. Support the show on Patreon See the show on YouTube Visit the show on Instagram Visit the show on Facebook SHOW NOTES Cheap Trick In Color with Steve Albini producing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bsT3EWlsJM&list=PLvLuPYa2vgAsbNg5NhnEBx2N1GgV28nX6 Interview with Rick Nielsen about working with Lennon https://lasvegassun.com/blogs/kats-report/2009/sep/13/nielsen-original/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI'm%20Losing%20You%E2%80%9D%20was%20knocked%20out%20in%20two,%2C%20never%2Dhappened%20things.%E2%80%9D “Rick and Ben” on the Double Fantasy experience (this is cartoon spoof is barely a minute, animated and funny, but not actually Rick and Ben) https://youtu.be/BHGTkWNsOcU?si=bQut-fIhOoNS4ozH All About the Hit Factory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hit_Factory Morris Levy wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Levy Double Fantasy Session Musicians Tony Levin-Bass-bio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Levin Andy Newmark-drums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Newmark “I’m losing you” outtake from Double Fantasy Lennon with Rick and Ben from Cheap Trick https://youtu.be/BZae6fbxItI?si=D8uPkEvxmxVrqxpI Motley Crue headlining with Cheap Trick opening 1986, SHEFFIEEEELD, England. “Ten Seconds to Love” https://youtu.be/8hWnUsyTtik?si=vSMfF2vUpvmGkSOy Kid Rock intros Cheap Trick into the RNR Hall of Fame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjxkpoqM3Q8&t=367s Highway to Krell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf0Pa2iyOEA&list=RDpf0Pa2iyOEA&start_radio=1 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The guys go through a series of letters all focused on the intersection of musicians and publicity. Did Grateful Dead dose an audience? Did a punk band pull one over on tabloid TV? And why was the singer of that emo band on Sally Jesse Raphael? Support the show on Patreon See the show on YouTube Visit the show on Instagram Visit the show on Facebook SHOW NOTES https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_show https://www.liveabout.com/talk-isnt-cheap-a-brief-history-of-the-tv-talk-show-3177025 https://ellenhume.com/talk-show-culture/ii-history-u-s-talk-shows-from-radio-to-television-and-the-internet/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-night_talk_show https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley https://www.thetimes.com/culture/music/article/carlos-santana-woodstock-that-was-when-my-guitar-turned-into-a-snake-m708lgchr https://www.openculture.com/2021/01/when-the-grateful-dead-performed-on-hugh-hefners-playboy-after-dark.html#google_vignette https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_After_Dark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy%27s_Penthouse https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/grateful-dead-dosed-playboy-after-dark/ Jon Gugala piece on acid and the Dead: https://huckberry.com/journal/posts/trip-of-a-lifetime-how-the-grateful-dead-s-acid-experiences-shaped-its-sound https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/owsley-stanley-the-king-of-lsd-82181/ https://www.loudersound.com/news/watch-this-super-rare-footage-of-a-baby-faced-gerard-way-before-he-was-famous-defending-comic-books-on-a-us-chat-show Gerard Way on Sally Jesse Raphael:  https://youtu.be/98LQmdkO8DU?si=-Am2NWuk-W8vvHiB https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/my-chemical-romances-gerard-way-embroiled-in-comic-controversy-89842/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MyChemicalRomance/comments/1xza0l/hart_d_fisher_goes_off_about_my_chemical_romances/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MyChemicalRomance/comments/f2ybkq/someone_on_fb_just_posted_this_and_i_was_shocked/ https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3277602/interview-hart-d-fisher-goes-off-about-my-chemical-romances-gerard-way-kickstarter-and-fangoria/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Jessy_Raphael https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid_talk_show https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_D._Fisher https://www.keycollectorcomics.com/series/on-ravens-wings,66401/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-locust-justin-pearson-on-jerry-springer-1999-video/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Pearson_(musician) https://web.archive.org/web/20170405073703/http://www.laweekly.com/news/a-day-with-the-locust-2137011 https://www.epitaph.com/news/article/the-locust-have-signed-with-epitaphs-anti-label The Locust on Jerry Springer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oRAVNUWTOk See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Revisiting the life, trials, and absolute chaos that came to define the finest country music singer of all time.

The story of one member of a made-for-TV band who may have changed music history

The fascinating and upsetting story of the two men who defined Boston's sound and personified their struggles

The story of the Roland TR-808 - a drum machine/musical innovation hailed as an absolute failure - until it absolutely wasn't

Discover how Hank Jr's visual turn from tribute act to rowdy powerhouse was due in part to a fall he shouldn't have survived

A search for stories about out-of-control album creations send Brian and Murdock towards a tale of Steely Dan

The infamous tale of that time a whole lotta money went missing - and the suspects, mobsters and managers who may (or may not) have been at the center of it all.

the long running rumor that winning too many Grammys too quickly can end a career

The insane popularity and pressure facing the Beatles in the mid-60's and the crazy rumor right in the middle that catapaulted them to even BIGGER fame

The tale of the time a certain future member of Led Zeppelin ripped off his own opening act

Two internet friends change the world of music and square off with one of the biggest bands in the world

A musical rivalry of epic historical proportions - involving Constantinople, feuding brothers, and serious alchemy.

Why Diamond Dave got so mouthy about a certain band of British punks during Van Halen's headling set at the 1983 US Festival

Discover how an '80s action star's soundtrack search — and one band’s refusal — opened the door for another group to land a career-changing opportunity.

A look at the rise and disappearance (pop culturally) of Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits.

Brian and Murdock have fun revisiting the early-90's and the idea of the "multi-tiered celebrity" through the person of Shaquille O'Neal. Did an emerging alt-rock god really almost collab with the 7-foot superstar on wax? Support the show on Patreon See the show on YouTube Visit the show on Instagram Visit the show on Facebook Win Louder Than Life passes by sending us your “rock n roll origin story”! What made you the kind of nerd who listens to a show like this? Send us your story to wearethestoryguys@gmail.com to get in the running. See the Louder Than Life line-up! SHOW NOTES: https://smashing-pumpkins-recording-sessions.fandom.com/wiki/Summer_1996_%E2%80%93_Soundworks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_(song) https://brobible.com/sports/article/shaq-rap-career/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq_Diesel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq_Fu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Schnickens https://www.rapreviews.com/2009/09/chip-fu-interview/ https://www.dubcnn.com/2013/02/23/chip-fu-interview-february-2013/ https://golianopoulos.com/new-blog/2014/1/31/shaquille-oneals-rap-career https://www.forbes.com/sites/imeekpo/2024/05/28/shaq-diesel-the-nba-stars-iconic-rap-collaborations-with-michael-jackson-jay-z-biggie-smalls-and-more/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Up_Doc%3F_(Can_We_Rock) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq_Fu:_Da_Return https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_at_the_Beach_(1994) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellon_Collie_and_the_Infinite_Sadness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_with_Butterfly_Wings Corgan talking about Lynch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXdqqakB6Cg Shaq talking about Biggie: https://www.reddit.com/r/NotoriousBIG/comments/1gre8u5/shaquille_oneal_talks_about_biggie/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Notorious_B.I.G. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_to_Die https://ftw.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/pop-culture/2024/06/26/shaq-third-rap-album-released-streaming-jay-z-nas-collaboration/79757669007/ https://americansongwriter.com/behind-the-jay-z-and-nas-feud/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.