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Rebuild
Michael Belch
39 episodes
1 day ago
Welcome to Rebuild. Here we explore the pillars that hold up the foundation of Christianity and western civilization. We examine where and how these pillars are crumbling, and we suggest ways that we can rebuild them. We release two episodes per week. The first is an interview with a guest who answers questions about a particular pillar of society. The second episode is a reaction to the interview where Michael and Bradley tease out implications and offer commentary.
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Welcome to Rebuild. Here we explore the pillars that hold up the foundation of Christianity and western civilization. We examine where and how these pillars are crumbling, and we suggest ways that we can rebuild them. We release two episodes per week. The first is an interview with a guest who answers questions about a particular pillar of society. The second episode is a reaction to the interview where Michael and Bradley tease out implications and offer commentary.
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Christian: Love your home and your nation

This episode examines C.S. Lewis' argument in "Men Without Chests" where Lewis argues that men who do properly love things cannot appreciate them or know their proper use and function. From there it examines how Christians, because of the gospel, must love their nation and their homes.

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1 year ago
20 minutes 50 seconds

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Christians must be the ones to exercise civil authority

SUMMARY:

This episode argues that because the civil magistrate is God's deacon to help accomplish one of the two primary purposes for mankind, Christians should pursue civil office and willingly wield its power to lead their nation in righteous and effective ways.


ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" - ⁠kabbalisticvillage.com/

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1 year ago
15 minutes 16 seconds

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The public square is not neutral: Christians are supposed to conquer it

This episode rejects the claim that the public square it neutral. It argues that Christians ought to vigorously enter the public square and destroy all evil and foolish ideas that set themselves up against the knowledge of God.

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1 year ago
25 minutes 42 seconds

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The Great Commission call Christians to conquer and rebuild Culture

This episode starts with a tweet from Scott Aniol about what the gospel should do to culture. We disagree with the tweet and explain that God actually calls Christians to build culture because of the great commission. Last, we conclude that God wants us to bring all areas, including sexuality, under submission to Christ.

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2 years ago
27 minutes 14 seconds

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Christianize Everything: Thoughts on Christian political action

This episode explores how Christians should think about nations and political involvement. We consider how Psal 144:15 applies to current political questions.


Questions this episode considers:

  • Is it good for Christians to 'bring Christianity into the public square'?
  • What does it mean to christianize a nation?
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2 years ago
18 minutes 7 seconds

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ep. 113 - A Christian view of history: Tell the truth and live free (with Jon Harris)

SUMMARY:

In this episode we talk with Jon Harris about how Christians should view and study history. We explore how conservatives should defend against the left without compromising the truths of history. We also talk about the idea that our assumptions about the future dictate what we will find in the past. Jon clarifies some false assumptions on our part and offers hope to people who have been told that they must feel guilt over sins of past generations.

GUEST INFORMATION:

Jon is a committed Christian and enjoys outdoor sports and music. He repented of his sins and put his trust in the grace of Jesus Christ for full and immediate forgiveness as a child. When he’s not hiking or playing guitar, Jon writes about political and theological issues confronting the church. He has an MDiv from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and an M.A. in History from Liberty University. He was interested in political theory from a young age but sensed a stronger desire for ministry. During his college years Jon worked in campus ministry and also served as a minister of music at his church.

Jon’s Podcast: Conversations that Matter

Jon’s Website: Worldview Conversations

Documentary Work: Last Stand Studios

QUESTIONS THIS EPISODE ASKS:

  • In his lectures on American history, Steve Wilkins says that secular scholars cannot study history accurately because when they come across figures and events that display the glory and truthfulness of God, they suppress that truth. David and Tim Barton call God’s hand in history “the golden thread” in their book “The American Story, The Beginnings”.  Could you talk about 1 or 2 “golden thread” moments that stand out to you?
  • How can we tell the truth about history without giving up ground to the left and progressive Christians?
  • What role does history play in the command to honor our father and mother?
  • What is something practical that Christians can do in order to understand and teach history in a more ‘Christian’ way?
  • Should Christians feel guilt for past sins committed by previous generations?

RECOMMENDED RESOURCES FOR FURTHER INTEREST:

https://www.brionmcclanahan.com

https://mcclanahanacademy.com

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
1 hour 9 minutes 37 seconds

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Responsibility Isn't Enough: What Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin got wrong (Bricks series)

SUMMARY

In this Rebuild Brick we talk about why being responsible for the sake of responsibility is not enough. We must submit ourselves to Christ, not simply an altruistic and self-improving vision of responsibility. 

LINKS TO THE VIDEOS REFERENCED:

https://youtu.be/75uuWtRrnJI

https://youtu.be/1biDxaT0ED4

https://youtu.be/Mwxd968IteQ

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3 years ago
18 minutes 47 seconds

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ep. 112B - A change of mindset about business: quit gathering and start building (followup to Eric Bell)

SUMMARY:

This is our follow-up discussion from our interview with Eric Bell. We discuss the idea that Christians can build the kingdom of God by building business and culture. Churches and Christians need to take this seriously by promoting and funding businesses that honor God. We also need to change the way we think about money from a frugal mindset to a building mindset..

RECOMMENDED RESOURCES:

The King’s Hall: Wealth, Money, Space

GUEST INFORMATION:

  • Eric's career spans almost 20 years in sales and management. He has held roles such as sales rep, sales trainer, regional manager, area director of sales, and strategic account manager. He started off working for GANZ USA, a giftware company based out of Atlanta GA.  After ten successful years there, He transitioned to working for a Medical Device company named Stryker in 2012 as a Patient Care Account Manager.  In 2016, Eric was promoted to Northwest Regional Manager, and developed key IDN relationships, and built a team of sales people to cover 5 states.

OUTLINE OF OUR DISCUSSION

INTRO:  What are we striving for? - avoid fatalism

  • Can Christians stay in businesses that embrace ungodly philosophies?
  • How can Christians prioritize and help start Christian businesses?
  • We need to change our mindset from frugality to building.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
49 minutes 37 seconds

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Ep. 112 - How to be a Christian in big-business (Bonus: college athletics): With Eric Bell

SUMMARY:

Most companies are not Christian companies. This creates questions and opportunities for Christians who work in those companies. This episode explores how Christians can honor their bosses, how to think through a company that promotes ungodly causes, and also concludes with a bonus discussion on whether college athletes should be paid..

GUEST INFORMATION:

Eric's career spans almost 20 years in sales and management. He has held roles such as sales rep, sales trainer, regional manager, area director of sales, and strategic account manager. He started off working for GANZ USA, a giftware company based out of Atlanta GA.  After ten successful years there, He transitioned to working for a Medical Device company named Stryker in 2012 as a Patient Care Account Manager.  In 2016, Eric was promoted to Northwest Regional Manager, and developed key IDN relationships, and built a team of sales people to cover 5 states.

QUESTIONS THIS EPISODE ASKS:

  • How do business minded Christians engage in this corporate world?
  • What advice would you give to Christians who are specifically in leadership in a secular company?
  • As someone who is involved in business leadership, what advice would you give to Christians if their company is embracing worldly philosophies (such as promoting the LGBTQ agenda at work), but it is not directly affecting that Christian’s job? It has simply become part of the corporate ethos, and something that the company wants to associate itself with publicly?
  • Several high-profile companies have recently embraced wokeness in a big way. Disney is probably the most prominent. But several other companies have tried that and it has led them to  back away from from the woke and progressive mob (an example is Netflix). Do you think that companies should be involved in social positions, political messaging, or things like this? What about Christian companies who want to be vocal about the gospel?
    • Do you think that the business world is becoming increasingly hostile to the Christian worldview?
  • What do you think it is about the "businessman" that has given him a bad reputation in society? Charles Dickens "A Christmas Carol" and many other fictional classics certainly portrayed truths about the ruthlessness of businessmen. Today I consider businessmen either slick talkers with charm and no depth or cut throat and almost sinister.
  • BONUS: Should college athletes be paid and/or allowed to make money for their likeness?

RECOMMENDED RESOURCES FOR FURTHER INTEREST:

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
1 hour 17 minutes 42 seconds

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111B - Subdue a sphere of influence by engaging politically and culturally (followup to Levi Minderhoud)

SUMMARY:

This is our follow-up discussion from our interview with Levi Minderhoud. We discuss the principle that we can expand the kingdom of God by declaring his truth (the law) and his gospel in our own small areas of influence. This can include school districts, libraries, and towns. It is loving and honors God when we advocate for his truth and standards. As we do this, we partially carry out the mandate to subdue the earth.

GUEST INFORMATION:

  • Levi Minderhoud joined the staff of the Association for Reformed Political Action (ARPA) Canada in June of 2019 as ARPA’s first British Columbia Manager. He is dedicated to raising the political activity and knowledge of Reformed Christians in British Columbia, bringing a Christian worldview to members of the British Columbia legislature, and developing public policy from a Christian perspective.

  • Prior to joining ARPA on a full-time basis, Levi already had political and policy experience elsewhere. He has a bachelor’s degree from Dordt University in political science, business, and economics and a Master’s of Public Policy degree from Simon Fraser University. He interned with a Member of Parliament (the late MP Mark Warawa) and within a federal department (Transport Canada). He also assisted in leading a local ARPA chapter (ARPA Fraser Valley East).

  • Levi and his wife Jillian currently live in Abbotsford, British Columbia.

  • You can find out more about his work at ARPA here: https://arpacanada.ca/

OUTLINE OF OUR DISCUSSION

     INTRO:  What are we striving for? - avoid fatalism

  • Holy optimism
  • What is the right tone/approach?
  • Christians need to repent if they have embraced the sins that are common in culture, but then we need to move forward with confidence.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" and link to my website - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
1 hour 9 minutes 50 seconds

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WHAT IS A FAMILY? MINT MOBILE AND VRBO DON’T KNOW (rebuild brick-definitions)

Are we allowed to define the word 'family' as we see fit? How are modern companies blurring the lines on this issue and driving culture to defy God?  This is part our 'definitions' series'

Check out all our content on our website: https://www.rebuildpodcast.com

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3 years ago
21 minutes 29 seconds

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111 - God intends for Christians to use the political process for good (With Levi Minderhoud)

SUMMARY:

Abraham Kuyper once pointed out that “Calvinism is an all-embracing system of principles... It is rooted in a form of religion which was peculiarly its own, and form that specific religious consciousness there was developed first a particular theology, then a special church-order, and then a given form for political and social life.”  In this episode we talk with Levi Minderhoud about Christian political involvement and how Abraham Kuyper’s thoughts ought to inform our efforts to bring God’s principles into political life.

GUEST INFORMATION:

Levi Minderhoud joined the staff of the Association for Reformed Political Action (ARPA) Canada in June of 2019 as ARPA’s first British Columbia Manager. He is dedicated to raising the political activity and knowledge of Reformed Christians in British Columbia, bringing a Christian worldview to members of the British Columbia legislature, and developing public policy from a Christian perspective.

Prior to joining ARPA on a full-time basis, Levi already had political and policy experience elsewhere. He has a bachelor’s degree from Dordt University in political science, business, and economics and a Master’s of Public Policy degree from Simon Fraser University. He interned with a Member of Parliament (the late MP Mark Warawa) and within a federal department (Transport Canada). He also assisted in leading a local ARPA chapter (ARPA Fraser Valley East).

Levi and his wife Jillian currently live in Abbotsford, British Columbia.

You can find out more about his work at ARPA here: https://arpacanada.ca/

QUESTIONS THIS EPISODE ASKS:

  • The church and the state should be separate, so only use logic and natural law when trying to make laws.
  • Christians should not try to legislate morality.
  • It is a fool’s errand to try to influence policy and laws when only the gospel will change someone’s heart.  In other words, if laws and politics can only affect outward behavior, then isn’t it better for Christians to focus on the gospel?
  • Abraham Kuyper helped develop the idea of sphere sovereignty. He was a theologian, but at the same time, he founded a political party. One criticism of Kuyper’s approach is that the political party that he established did not last (God’s promises are to the church, not to political parties). What can we learn from Kuyper’s view of Christianity and politics?
  • Does God want Christians to be involved in politics and in making laws?
  • Practically, we go about doing political engagement? How do we tangibly go about the work of rebuilding the foundations

RECOMMENDED RESOURCES FOR FURTHER INTEREST:

  • Catechisms
    • The New Reformation Catechism on Human Sexuality - Christopher Gordon
    • The Liberty Catechism - Douglas Wilson
    • Catechism on Government - Toby Sumpter
  • Kuyper Foundation

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" and link to my website - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
1 hour 9 minutes 50 seconds

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110B - Implications and methods of Christian political influence (followup from Stephen Wolfe)

NOTES:

This is our follow-up discussion from our interview with Stephen Wolfe. We discuss what it looks like if Christians exert political power and influence. We also talk about why it is necessary for Christian statesmen to rise up and lead the country with courage, conviction, and biblical principles.

LINKS MENTIONED IN OUR DISCUSSION

“Why Pastors Refuse to Address Political Issues”

The Liberty Catechism - Douglas Wilson

Catechism on Government - Toby Sumpter

Social Justice, Critical Theory, and Christianity: Are They Compatible? - by Neil Shenvi

GUEST INFORMATION:

Stephen studied politics at Louisiana State University. His writing has appeared in Modern Reformation, Mere Orthodoxy, Chronicles Magazine, Sovereign Nations, and History of Political Thought. He and his family are members of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). And currently Stephen is a postdoctoral fellow in the James Madison Program at Princeton University. Stephen, welcome to Rebuild. Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us.

  • You can find him on twitter @perfinjust
  • He co-hosts the excellent Ars Politica podcast that helps us understand politics, culture, and theology.

OUTLINE OF OUR DISCUSSION

INTRO:  We are discouraged and encouraged

  • What about Christians catch-phrases?
  • How and why must Christians exert political power?
  • What can we do to honor our past while at the same time rebuilding in ways that honor God

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" and link to my website - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
1 hour 3 minutes 56 seconds

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109B - How should Christians appreciate art? (followup from Joshua)

NOTES:

This is our follow-up discussion from our interview with Joshua. We discuss the the questions of whether art is an acquired appreciation. We explore what families and individuals can do to assess art and we talk about how Christian artists can excel.

GUEST INFORMATION:

Joshua has been drawing all of his life. He currently does freelance work and has illustrated several books, as well as written several political cartoons.

Find out more about his work on twitter: @j_cartoons.

OUTLINE OF OUR DISCUSSION

INTRO:  Is art an acquired taste?

  • If it is, how can Christians and families properly appreciate it?
  • How can Christian artists excel in their art in a way that honors God and impacts our society?

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" and link to my website - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
46 minutes 40 seconds

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A modest lament: Thoughts on Roe v. Wade being overturned (weekly essay)

In this essay, we consider how Christians can empathize with those who have experienced harm and pain in the aftermath of the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Find the text for this episode on our website: https://www.rebuildpodcast.com/blog/a-modest-lament-thoughts-on-roe-v-wade-being-overturned/

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3 years ago
16 minutes 58 seconds

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Episode 110 - Should Christians love their country? (With Stephen Wolfe)

SUMMARY:

In speaking about the the God’s people as citizens of heaven and of a physical nation, Augustine said this: “Difference of nations [gentium] or condition or sex is indeed taken away by the unity of faith, but it remains in the conduct (or manner) of mortal life, and this order must be preserved in the journey of this life." Augustine, Epistle to the Galatians (on 3:28,29).”

Calvin added: "Regarding the kingdom of God (which is spiritual) there is no distinction or difference between man and woman, servant and master, poor and rich, great and small. Nevertheless, there does have to be some order among us, and Jesus Christ did not mean to eliminate it, as some flighty and scatterbrained dreamers believe." Calvin, sermon on 1 Cor. 11:2-3

GUEST INFORMATION:

Stephen studied politics at Louisiana State University. His writing has appeared in Modern Reformation, Mere Orthodoxy, Chronicles Magazine, Sovereign Nations, and History of Political Thought. He and his family are members of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). And currently Stephen is a postdoctoral fellow in the James Madison Program at Princeton University. Stephen, welcome to Rebuild. Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us.

  • You can find him on twitter @perfinjust
  • He co-hosts the excellent Ars Politica podcast that helps us understand politics, culture, and theology.

QUESTIONS THIS EPISODE ASKS:

  • Why have Christians and the church become so apathetic to and even opposed to taking political action?
  • It seems like many Christians make a false dichotomy by saying that you must either embrace your identity as a Christian or your identity as an American (or other nationality). Is there any truth to the idea that Americans are overly committed to their country and identity as citizens? Have we blurred the lines between these two because of the Christian nature of our founding? Has ‘white guilt’ caused us to reject our own national identity?
  • You make a helpful analogy between a Christian marriage and a Christian citizen.  How should Christians properly understand their nationality?
  • In several of your articles you talk about ‘political theology’. What is this and why is it important for Christians to have a political theology?

RECOMMENDED RESOURCES FOR FURTHER INTEREST:

  • Institutes of Elentic Theology by Francis Turretin
  • Politica, by Johannes Althusius
  • The Mosaic Polity, by Franciscus Junius
  • Lex Rex, by Samuel Rutherford
  • The Two Kingdoms: A Guide for the Perplexed, by Bradford Littlejohn
  • Christ and the Kingdoms of Men: Foundations of Political Life, by David Innes
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3 years ago
1 hour 13 minutes 10 seconds

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Episode 109 - Comics, drawing, and how to honor Christ with Art (with special guest: Joshua)

SUMMARY:

Abraham Kuyper famously said that there is not one molecule of the universe that the risen Christ does not claim as ‘mine’. He is king over all things, including art and comics. Today we talk with a comic artist named Joshua to understand how art and drawing can honor God and how Christian artists can use and hone their skills.

GUEST INFORMATION:

Joshua has been drawing all of his life. He currently does freelance work and has illustrated several books, as well as written several political cartoons. Find out more about his work on twitter: @j_cartoons.

QUESTIONS THIS EPISODE ASKS:

  • Are you always trying to make work that is ‘marketable’ or is it a hobby? How should Christians think about making money from their art?
  • What makes art “Christian”?
  • Must an artist's Christianity be overt? How overt?
  • What should we expect “Christian art” to do? (What’s its use / aim?)
    • What should Christian art not do?
    • What does excellent art look like?  What does it do?
  • Should a Christian take stands in their art (political, issue-specific)? If yes, when?
  • Real-life stories of cancel culture in the art field.

RESOURCES FOR FURTHER INTEREST:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_S._Miller

Art and the Bible by Francis Schaeffer

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" and link to my website - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
1 hour 4 minutes 23 seconds

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108B - How to jumpstart a Christian culture (followup from James Silberman)

NOTES:

This is our follow-up discussion from our interview with James Silberman. We discuss the the questions of pro-life incrementalism, keeping our targets in our sights even if we are partnering with people who do not see things the same as us, and how to jump start a Christian culture.

GUEST INFORMATION:

James is the Communications Director of Free the States, an abolitionist organization working to grow and guide the Abolitionist Movement as they activate and equip Christians to bring the gospel into conflict with the culture of death. James used to work for a pro-life organization, but was told he was no longer welcome there after becoming an abolitionist in 2019. James is a contributor to The Federalist and was a staff writer for The Resurgent. He is from Gig Harbor, WA and has lived in Norman, OK for the last three years.

You can follow his work here:

https://www.FreeTheStates.org

https://www.instagram.com/free.the.states/

https://www.facebook.com/FreeTheStates

https://www.youtube.com/c/FreetheStates/

OUTLINE OF OUR DISCUSSION

INTRO: James made a very compelling case for Abortion Abolition. We agree with almost everything he says.

  • Should Christians partner with other conservatives in order to end abortion, even if those people do not share the same goal of entirely abolishing abortion?
  • The process of the church teaching people how to live in society in a Christian way seems to have broken down. We need to jumpstart the battery so that pastors do not have to be the main voices in the worlds of economics and politics. But how do we do that? It takes intentional work from pastors, individual Christians, and families.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" and link to my website - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
58 minutes 45 seconds

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New ways or Old ways, always know what road you are on: Why the church must return to biblical definitions

A video essay about the need for the church to return to historical understandings of our place and role in society.  

Sources that helped form my argument:  

What Does Sola Scriptura Mean? by John MacArthur:  https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/what-does-sola-scriptura-mean  

The Early Church & the Origins of Religious Liberty, by Casey Chalk:  https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2019/06/early-church-origins-religious-liberty-casey-chalk.html  

Slaying Leviathan by Glenn Sunshine:  https://www.amazon.com/Slaying-Leviathan-Government-Resistance-Christian/dp/195241072X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1655414028&sr=8-1  

Luther in Realtime:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/luther-in-real-time/id1533005518?i=1000495739874

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3 years ago
45 minutes 26 seconds

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108 - Politics can advance God's kingdom and end abortion (with James Silberman)

SUMMARY:

This week we want to talk about politics. Specifically, we want to talk about whether or not politics is an important issue for Christians to think about and participate in. We also want to talk about the specific issue of Abortion. We will discuss the difference between being pro-life and anti-abortion.

GUEST INFORMATION:

James is the Communications Director of Free the States, an abolitionist organization working to grow and guide the Abolitionist Movement as they activate and equip Christians to bring the gospel into conflict with the culture of death. James used to work for a pro-life organization, but was told he was no longer welcome there after becoming an abolitionist in 2019. James is a contributor to The Federalist and was a staff writer for The Resurgent. He is from Gig Harbor, WA and has lived in Norman, OK for the last three years.

You can follow his work here:

https://www.FreeTheStates.org

https://www.instagram.com/free.the.states/

https://www.facebook.com/FreeTheStates

https://www.youtube.com/c/FreetheStates/

QUESTIONS THIS EPISODE ASKS:

Here are the questions that we asked Kevin in this episode:

  • What is a Christian view of politics and the process of making policy?
    • What is politics/the political process?
    • How should Christians be involved in politics/the political process?
  • When it comes to christians and churches getting involved in politics the biggest push back I hear is “how much time, money and energy should we commit to it?”.  Some might even mean “waste” instead of commit.  How do you answer that question?
    • The political process doesn’t save anyone, so why should we spend time on it?
  • Is the abortion issue the most important political issue of our time? Why or why not?
  • What is the difference between the pro-life position and being an abortion abolitionist?
    • Is incrementalism here bad? (If so, why?)
  • What kind of resistance has the abolition movement met from the pro-life movement?
  • What are some practical things that Christians can do to help abolish abortion in America?

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

"Music by Kabbalistic Village" and link to my website - kabbalisticvillage.com/

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3 years ago
1 hour 5 minutes

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Welcome to Rebuild. Here we explore the pillars that hold up the foundation of Christianity and western civilization. We examine where and how these pillars are crumbling, and we suggest ways that we can rebuild them. We release two episodes per week. The first is an interview with a guest who answers questions about a particular pillar of society. The second episode is a reaction to the interview where Michael and Bradley tease out implications and offer commentary.