In this powerful and sobering episode of Peaceable and Kind, Derek Vreeland reflects on the tragic assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk and explores how the ideologies of Christian nationalism and the prosperity gospel distort the way of Jesus. While rejecting all forms of political violence, Derek uses this moment to examine the growing fusion of political power and religious language within American Christianity. He argues that Christian nationalism—like the prosperity gospel—offers a counterfeit version of the gospel that trades discipleship for dominance, humility for triumphalism, and the cross for control. Derek outlines how Christian nationalism seeks to advance the kingdom of God through governmental action, while the prosperity gospel attempts to advance it through material success. Both, he contends, miss the heart of the gospel of King Jesus. Conversation Themes Lament and Clarity: Responding to political violence with grief, prayer, and a renewed commitment to peace. What Is Christian Nationalism? Exploring definitions and distinctions between patriotism and nationalism. The Turning Point USA Connection: How religious rhetoric and political activism blur the lines between church and state. Five Shared Misconceptions: How Christian nationalism and the prosperity gospel both misunderstand the nature of God’s kingdom. Following Jesus in a Culture of Power: What it means to reject triumphalism and embrace cruciform discipleship. Key Takeaways Christian nationalism and the prosperity gospel both mistake American values for Christian virtues—one exalting power, the other wealth. Both misunderstand the purpose of the church, seeing it as a tool for influence rather than a community of witness. Both redirect faith away from the triune God toward national or personal interests. Both promise what Jesus never promised—national dominance or financial success. Both trade discipleship for triumphalism, denying the weakness and humility of the cross.4 Books/articles mentioned in this episode: What Is Christian Nationalism, Actually? by Glenn Packiam (Substack, October 9) Taking America Back for God: Christian Nationalism in the United States by Andrew Whitehead and Samuel Perry Jesus and the Powers by N.T. Wright and Michael F. Bird Jesus Changes Everything by Stanley Hauerwas Read a written form of this episode here: https://www.missioalliance.org/how-christian-nationalism-and-the-prosperity-gospel-distort-the-way-of-jesus/ Has Peaceable and Kind been meaningful to you? Support the show by: Leaving a review Giving us a 5-star rating on your podcast app Sharing this episode with a friend Order Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us, here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Learn more about Derek’s work as a pastor and author: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or Facebook

What if the gospel is both more strange and more gracious than we’ve dared to imagine? In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, Derek Vreeland sits down with pastor and author Andrew Arndt to talk about his latest book, A Strange and Gracious Light: How the Story of Jesus Changes the Way We See Everything. From the poetry of R.S. Thomas to the wisdom of Athanasius, Eugene Peterson, and Pope John Paul II, Andrew explores how the gospel disrupts our assumptions and invites us into a richer way of life. Key Takeaways Why the gospel is both gracious and strange—and why holding the tension matters. How the church calendar helps us live inside the story of Jesus year-round. What it means to be people of the incarnation—finding God’s presence in ordinary life. Why the church is called to propose the way of Jesus, not impose it. A fresh vision of the Holy Spirit’s work—in both extraordinary miracles and the quiet, ordinary moments of life. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: Romans 5:8 John 1:14 Matthew 27:54 Mark 15:39 Books mentioned in this podcast: A Strange and Gracious Light: How the Story of Jesus Changes the Way We See Everything, Andrew Arndt Streams in the Wasteland, Andrew Arndt All Flame, Andrew Arndt The Chapel, R.S. Thomas On the Incarnation, St. Athanasius Spiritual Theology and Liturgical Theology, Simon Chan Order Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

What does it really mean that the Word became flesh? In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, Derek Vreeland takes us on a deep dive into one of the greatest mysteries of the Christian faith: the incarnation. From the opening words of John’s Gospel to the insights of ancient Greek philosophers and church fathers like Athanasius, Derek explores how Jesus is not just a historical figure but the very Word of God—the Logos—who “moved into the neighborhood” for our salvation. Why John begins his Gospel with the profound phrase “In the beginning was the Word.” How the Greek concept of Logos points us to Jesus as the unifying principle of all creation. The paradox of the infinite God taking on finite flesh. Why the incarnation isn’t just theology to understand, but a mystery to pause, reflect, and dwell in. Athanasius’ timeless reminder that God came down to renew His image in us, because we could not do it ourselves. How the incarnation opens a “wardrobe door” (à la C.S. Lewis) into the life of God, inviting us into intimate relationship with Him. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: John 1:1–5, 14 Genesis 1:1 Ephesians 3:5–6 John 17:3 Books mentioned in this podcast: Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us, Derek Vreeland On the Incarnation, Athanasius The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, C.S. Lewis Order Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us, here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

In this episode of Peaceable & Kind, Derek Vreeland reflects on the prophetic vision of Isaiah 2:1–5 and what it means for Christians to “play war no more.” Through scripture, personal reflection, and current events, Derek explores the way of Jesus as a call to nonviolence, patience, and peacemaking in a world marked by conflict and division.Key Takeaways War is impatience. Fighting often stems from restless, hurried lives that resist waiting on God. Jesus is the answer. He embodies God’s covenant faithfulness and calls us to love our enemies. Nonviolence is a habit. Like fighting, it can shape us—this time into the image of Christ. We can start now. The vision of peace in Isaiah is not only for the future; it begins with us today. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: Genesis 12:1-3 Isaiah 2:1-4 Books mentioned in this podcast: Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us by Derek Vreeland Being Christian After the Desolation of Gaza edited by Bruce Fisk and J. Ross Wagner Prophetic Imagination by Walter Brueggman A Field Guild to Christian Nonviolence by David Cramer and Myles Werntz  Order Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us, here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

The Christmas story is more than a manger scene—it’s the beginning of the gospel itself. In this special episode, host Derek Vreeland shares the heart behind his brand-new Bible study, Incarnation: Eight Lessons on How God Meets Us, the first in his God in the Neighborhood series. What You'll Hear in This Episode: The behind-the-scenes journey of how this book came to life—two years in the making! Why John 1:14 (“The Word became flesh and blood and moved into the neighborhood”) sparked an entire Bible study series. How the incarnation shows us God’s neighboring presence—God with us, not far away. A walk through the eight lessons, from Old Testament promises to Jesus’ birth, to learning “the unforced rhythms of grace” (Matthew 11). Why incarnation matters today: before Jesus died for us, He came to us. Key Takeaways God’s desire to be with His people from Genesis to Jesus. The Advent promise of peace, justice, and hope fulfilled in Christ. What it means for Jesus to be both Messiah and Master. Living out the incarnation in our own neighborhoods. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: Psalm 97 Isaiah 2 & 5 Isaiah 7 Luke 2 John 1:14 Matthew 11:29–30 Books mentioned in this podcast: Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us NOW AVAILABLE! Order Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website What You’ll Hear in This Episode:

In this rich and eye-opening episode of Peaceable and Kind, host Derek Vreeland sits down with Marty Solomon—president of Impact Campus Ministries, host of the BEMA Discipleship podcast, and author of Asking Better Questions of the Bible. Together, they explore how reading Scripture through its original Jewish context can transform our understanding of Jesus, justice, and the story of redemption. Marty shares his own journey—from a fundamentalist evangelical upbringing, through seasons of doubt and “deconstruction,” to a renewed faith rooted in the historical and cultural world of the Bible. You’ll hear why becoming “people of the text” means more than knowing Bible facts—it’s about letting Scripture shape our lives, imaginations, and relationships. The conversation dives into how the Jewish background of the New Testament illuminates the ministry of Jesus, why historical context must come before theology, and how biblical justice (mishpat) and righteousness (zedekah) work together to restore shalom—wholeness, peace, and flourishing—in a broken world. Whether you’ve been wrestling with faith, longing for a deeper way to read the Bible, or curious about how Jewish roots change our perspective on the Gospel, this episode offers wisdom, challenge, and hope. Key Takeaways✔️ Why historical context changes how we read the Bible✔️ The difference between Greek and Hebrew ideas of justice✔️ How righteousness and justice create biblical shalom✔️ Why curiosity—not certainty—should guide Bible study✔️ How Jesus’ Jewish world shapes His teaching and ministry 🎧 Listen now and rediscover the Bible as a living, transforming story that points us to Jesus. Scriptures Mentioned in This Episode:Isaiah 55 Psalm 97 Books Mentioned in this Episode: Asking Better Questions of the Bible by Marty Solomon Jesus the Jewish Theologian by Brad Young  Listen to Marty's conversation with Lecrae on The Deep End podcast: https://youtu.be/RN4vJFAJeDI?si=pFNamuQFY4LnWFma Learn more about Marty Solomon at martysolomon.com.  Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! ➡️ Leave a review ➡️ Share it with your friends ➡️ Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or Facebook Episode Website  

In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, host Derek Vreeland invites you into the practice of reading the Old Testament with fresh eyes—looking for Jesus in every passage. Derek shares his personal journey of nearly a decade of daily Old Testament reading, rooted in the daily office lectionary, and how it has transformed from duty to delight. Drawing from Scripture, church history, and personal stories, he demonstrates how Christians can uncover the presence of Jesus in the Hebrew Scriptures.Key Takeaways Why the Old Testament is essential reading for Christians today. How Jesus Himself taught us to read Scripture with Him at the center (John 5:39; Luke 24). The difference between reading the Bible in its historical context and reading it devotionally with Christ in view. Insights from Charles Spurgeon and Augustine on finding Christ in every passage. How allegory and prayerful reflection reveal Christ in unexpected places. A practical example from Psalm 89 of seeing King Jesus in the Psalms. Why some verses may not immediately point to Christ—and how to wrestle with that tension. Scriptures mentioned in this episode:Luke 24:27Luke 24:44-451 Corinthians 10:1-4Psalm 89:19Psalm 89:24-27Books mentioned in this episode: Jesus-Centered Bible by Group PublishingSeven Things I Wish Christians Knew about the Bible by Michael Bird Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

How do we make sense of the violent passages in the Old Testament while following the peace teachings of Jesus? In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, Derek Vreeland takes on one of the most common and challenging questions he receives as a pastor and author: Why does God seem so violent in the Old Testament compared to Jesus in the New Testament? Derek walks us through: Why Joshua and 1 Samuel 15 are such difficult passages for modern readers. Four historical Christian approaches to interpreting divine violence: acceptance, accommodation, misunderstanding, and allegory. The importance of foundational Christian beliefs—God’s oneness, immutability, pure love, and Jesus as the perfect revelation of God. Why wrestling with Scripture is not a weakness, but part of a faithful Christian journey. How we can faithfully read the Old Testament while keeping our eyes fixed on Jesus, the Prince of Peace. This is a thoughtful, theologically rich conversation for anyone who has struggled with the tension between the God of the Old Testament and the God revealed in Christ.Key Takeaways The God of the Old Testament is the same as the God of the New Testament. God’s nature is unchanging, pure love—even if the stories in Scripture sometimes leave us unsettled. Christians throughout history have used multiple ways to interpret violent passages—we don’t have to resolve the tension to remain faithful. Jesus is the final word, the clearest picture of God, and our ultimate guide. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: I Samuel 15:31 Samuel 15:33John 1:18 Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

In this thought-provoking episode of Peaceable and Kind, host Derek Vreeland tackles a question many Christians quietly wrestle with: Why do we need the Old Testament? From bloody battles and strange laws to a God who calls His people to peace, the Old Testament can feel confusing—even contradictory to the way of Jesus. But Derek shares why this ancient collection of writings is not only essential, but life-giving for followers of Christ in a modern world. Drawing from his own journey—from avoiding the Old Testament as a young pastor to delighting in it through daily reading—Derek explores how these Scriptures shape our faith, deepen our understanding of Jesus, and connect us to the ancient people of God. You’ll hear stories from seminary days with his Old Testament professor, insights from the world of Bible translation, and even a Star Wars analogy that will forever change how you see the “backstory” of Scripture. Whether you’ve loved the Old Testament for years or have quietly ignored it in your Bible reading plan, this episode will give you fresh eyes for its beauty, depth, and indispensable role in the story of redemption. Key Takeaways✔️ Why the Old Testament is essential for understanding Jesus and the New Testament✔️ How it connects us to the ancient story of God’s people✔️ Why not every Old Testament passage should be read as a moral directive✔️ How to find Jesus throughout the Old Testament✔️ Why the Psalms still shape our prayer life today 🎧 Listen now and rediscover the Old Testament as the essential prequel to the story of Jesus. Scriptures Mentioned in This Episode:• Exodus 12• Leviticus 16 • Deuteronomy 21:18–21• John 1:29 Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! ➡️ Leave a review ➡️ Share it with your friends ➡️ Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, host Derek Vreeland is joined by his friend and pastor, Brian Zahnd, for a wide-ranging conversation that blends rock & roll, theology, and personal transformation.    Brian and Derek reflect on their shared history in the Charismatic Movement—and why both eventually felt called to pack their bags and move on. Using Bob Dylan’s “Maggie’s Farm” as a guiding metaphor, they explore how art, imagination, and poetic theology helped them step away from narrow subcultures and reclaim a deeper, truer spiritual identity.    Brian talks about how Bob Dylan’s lyrics sparked his love for language—and how that shaped the way he thinks and talks about God. He also shares which books first opened up his theological imagination and how the Holy Spirit led him out of a rigid, formulaic faith into something much richer—rooted in beauty, history, and freedom.    If you’ve ever struggled to stay true to your convictions in a system that demanded conformity—or wondered how music, literature, and art can renew your spiritual life—this conversation is for you.   Key Takeaways  ✔️ How Bob Dylan’s poetry can reframe your theology ✔️ What it means to “leave the movement, not the experience” ✔️ Why imagination and language matter in theological formation ✔️ The role of books, church history, and beauty in spiritual renewal ✔️ How to stay faithful to your story when others want you to conform    🎧 Listen now and rediscover the freedom of becoming fully yourself—with the Holy Spirit as your guide and a Dylan song in your heart.    Books mentioned in this episode:  The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard  Jesus and the Victory of God by N.T. Wright  The New Testament and the People of God by N.T. Wright  The Resurrection of the Son of God by N.T. Wright    You can learn more about Brian Zahnd’s books at: https://amzn.to/4f2sCUo    Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs    Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out!  Leave a review  Share it with your friends  Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice    Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com    Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or Facebook  Episode Website 

In this deeply personal episode of Peaceable and Kind, host Derek Vreeland shares why he took a step back from the popular Charismatic subculture—but not from the Spirit-filled life that first drew him in.  Derek shares his spiritual journey from Southern Baptist roots to charismatic renewal, through Pentecostal seminary training, and ultimately into a more theologically grounded and historically rooted faith. While he still embraces the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit, Derek outlines eight specific values within the pop Charismatic movement that led him to walk away—including anti-intellectualism, spiritual elitism, and prosperity-driven faith.  This episode is a heartfelt reflection on what it means to follow the Spirit with wisdom, humility, and discernment. Derek explores how academic theology, the contemplative tradition, and the global church have all enriched his understanding of God the Holy Spirit—and why he now calls himself a "charismatic with a seatbelt."  If you’ve ever felt torn between being open to the Holy Spirit and staying grounded in theology, this episode is for you.  Key Takeaways  ✔️ Why intellectual rigor and Spirit-led faith are not at odds ✔️ The danger of measuring spiritual maturity solely by emotion ✔️ How spiritual elitism harms church unity and witness ✔️ Why selective Bible reading weakens discipleship ✔️ The real meaning of blessing, healing, and power of the Holy Spirit    🎧 Listen now and explore what it looks like to follow the Holy Spirit with passion and wisdom.    Scriptures mentioned in this episode:  Galatians 4:13   Hebrews 11:1–40  Genesis 12:1–3  Galatians 5:22–23  Revelation 21:1–4    Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs    Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out!  Leave a review  Share it with your friends  Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice    Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com    Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or Facebook  Episode Website   

In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, Derek Vreeland invites you into a personal and theological journey to better understand one of the most mysterious persons of the Trinity: God the Holy Spirit. Derek shares how his view of the Holy Spirit has evolved—from childhood questions in a Southern Baptist church to transformative encounters as a teenager, through charismatic experiences, and into a mature, ecumenical appreciation for the Spirit’s work today. Drawing from Scripture, church history, and his own story, Derek unpacks why the Holy Spirit is not just an idea or force—but God’s living presence, shaping us to love and live like Jesus. Along the way, Derek reflects on the Spirit’s role as the agent of God’s work on earth, the giver of spiritual gifts, and the power behind personal and communal transformation. He also highlights the wisdom of Father Raniero Cantalamessa and the invitation for all believers to seek fresh encounters with the Spirit—not once, but over and over. Whether you’re curious about spiritual gifts, wondering about baptism in the Holy Spirit, or simply longing for renewal, this episode will help you open your heart to God’s ongoing work. Key Takeaways ✔️ The Holy Spirit is God’s personal presence, not an impersonal force. ✔️ The Spirit empowers believers with love, gifts, and Christlike character. ✔️ Spiritual experiences and scriptural grounding can (and should) go hand in hand. ✔️ Seeking the Holy Spirit is not a one-time event but an ongoing invitation. ✔️ Renewal by the Spirit is essential for both personal faith and church life. 🎧 Listen now and renew your openness to the peace, power, and kindness of God the Holy Spirit. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: Acts 1:8 Romans 5:5 John 20:22 1 Corinthians 13 Jeremiah 31:31–33 Galatians 5:22–23 Books mentioned in this podcast: Come, Creator Spirit by Raniero Cantalamessa Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, Derek Vreeland explores the important relationship between the gospel and the Holy Spirit—a continuation of his recent conversation with theologian Matthew Bates on the definition of the gospel in the New Testament. As summer rolls on, Derek reflects on the creative highs and lows of writing and shares a behind-the-scenes glimpse into his process (including an early morning spent fine-tuning a footnote on John Wesley!). He shares how writing and podcasting are extensions of his pastoral calling. This week’s episode focuses on one essential insight: the outpouring of the Holy Spirit is part of the gospel message. Drawing from Acts 2, 3, and 5, Derek unpacks how the Spirit is present in the earliest gospel sermons preached by Peter. He shows how this insight, often overlooked, reaffirms the inseparable operations of the Trinity—Father, Son, and Spirit working together in the work of salvation. You’ll also hear three striking patterns in the gospel sermons in Acts: No mention of heaven or hell A clear emphasis that humanity killed Jesus and God raised him A consistent declaration that Jesus is Lord, Messiah, and King The outpouring of the Spirit isn’t just a one-time event—it’s part of the good news. The Spirit isn’t an optional afterthought but integral to how Jesus continues his rule in and through his people. Whether you’ve questioned how the Holy Spirit fits into the gospel or are simply seeking to see the gospel with fresh eyes, this episode will help you make that connection. Key Takeaways The outpouring of the Holy Spirit is not just a result of the gospel—it is part of the gospel. The gospel proclaimed in Acts includes the resurrection, kingship of Jesus, and the giving of the Spirit. The doctrine of inseparable operations teaches that the Trinity works in unity; the Spirit’s work is not separate from the work of Christ. “The content of the gospel you preach informs the kind of disciples you make.” 🎧 Listen now and rediscover how the Spirit animates the full gospel message. Books mentioned in this episode: Beyond the Salvation Wars by Matthew Bates Scriptures mentioned in this episode: Acts 2:33, 2:36 Acts 3:15, 3:20 Acts 5:30, 5:32, 5:42 Has Peaceable and Kind been meaningful to you? Support the show by: · Leaving a review · Giving us a 5-star rating on your podcast app · Sharing the episode with friends Learn more about Derek’s work as a pastor and author: https://derekvreeland.com Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Follow Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, Derek Vreeland sits down with theologian and author Matthew Bates for a lively and challenging conversation about his newest book, Beyond the Salvation Wars: Why Both Protestants and Catholics Must Reimagine How We Are Saved. Matthew is Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, co-host of the OnScript podcast, and an author whose work has deeply influenced the way we think about the gospel. Drawing from N.T. Wright, Scot McKnight, and others, Matthew has developed the "gospel allegiance" model of salvation—centered on the idea that saving faith (Greek: pistis) means allegiance to King Jesus. In this episode, Derek and Matthew dig into what that means for long-standing theological divides between Protestants and Catholics, Calvinists and Arminians. With humor, candor, and a bit of theological edge, this conversation explores everything from the whether or not baptism is the starting point of salvation to the backlash Matthew has received from critics of his allegiance model. Derek doesn’t hold back in sharing how Bates’ work has shaped his thinking, even challenging his own sacramental theology. Whether you're Reformed, Catholic, Orthodox, or somewhere in between, this episode invites you to reconsider how we talk about salvation—and why it matters now more than ever. Key Takeaways Saving faith is better understood as allegiance to Jesus as King. The gospel allegiance model offers a bridge across Protestant-Catholic and Calvinist-Arminian divides. Baptism is not an event but a nuanced process which begins by the declaration of allegiance. Matthew Bates’ work has drawn pushback—especially from some within the Reformed tradition—but also offers a hopeful vision for Christian unity around the gospel. Distinguishing between God’s saving action, the means of reception, and the results can bring clarity to complex debates. Books mentioned in this episode: Salvation by Allegiance Alone – Matthew Bates Gospel Allegiance – Matthew Bates The Gospel Precisely – Matthew Bates Why the Gospel? – Matthew Bates Beyond the Salvation Wars – Matthew Bates The King Jesus Gospel – Scot McKnight 🎧 Listen now and enter the conversation on what it really means to be saved—and what kind of gospel we are called to believe. Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did this episode spark a new way of thinking for you? Here’s how you can support the show: Leave a review Share it with your friends—even if you think it’s heresy 😉 Give us a 5-star rating on your favorite podcast app Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or Facebook Episode Website

In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, Derek Vreeland wraps up our series on the Nicene Creed with its powerful final lines—covering the Church, baptism, and what Christians hope for in the end: “We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.” With honesty, warmth, and a deep love for the Church, Derek explores how these final affirmations hold hope and healing for Christians today—especially for those hurt by churches or struggling to find their place in Christian community. Drawing from his own teenage years and spiritual formation in a nurturing Baptist church, Derek testifies to the beauty and brokenness of the Church. He offers grace to those wounded by toxic church leadership and reminds listeners why the Church—imperfect as she is—is still the beloved bride of Christ. Whether you’ve loved the Church, been burned by it, or feel caught somewhere in between, this episode calls us back to what defines us: one Church, one baptism, one great hope in the resurrection and the life to come. Key Takeaways The Church is one—unity is central to Jesus’ prayer for his followers (John 17:21). The Church is holy—we are set apart to live distinctively in the world. The Church is catholic meaning “universal”, and includes all who affirm the essentials of Christian faith. The Church is apostolic—rooted in the teaching of the apostles and the continuing work of the Spirit. The Second Vatican Council (1962–1965) helped heal Protestant-Catholic division by affirming shared faith in Christ and calling Protestants “separated brothers and sisters.” Lumen Gentium, a key document from Vatican II, reframed the Catholic Church’s identity and opened the door to meaningful Christian unity. We are united in the essentials—even if we disagree on politics, denominations, or music styles. 🎧 Listen now and rediscover the hope of the Church and the life of the world to come. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: John 17:21John 17:14-19Revelation 21:1-5 Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did this series on the Nicene Creed help you reconnect with your faith? Here’s how you can support the show: Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Follow Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

In this episode of Peaceable and Kind, Derek Vreeland continues exploring the Nicene Creed in honor of its 1700th anniversary—this time diving deep into one of the most overlooked and misunderstood persons of the Trinity: God the Holy Spirit. Derek shares how his view of the Holy Spirit has grown over the years—from powerful experiences as a teenager in Pentecostal circles to a deeper understanding of the Spirit’s role, shaped by the rich traditions of the Christian faith. Drawing from Scripture, church history, and his own spiritual journey, he unpacks why the Holy Spirit is not merely a force or feeling—but a personal, co-eternal presence alongside the Father and the Son. Along the way, he illustrates how the Spirit has moved in fresh and powerful ways throughout history—not just in biblical times. Whether you’re curious about spiritual gifts, wrestling with charismatic culture, or simply hungry for a deeper encounter with God, this episode will renew your understanding of the Holy Spirit’s role in your life today. Key Takeaways The Holy Spirit is fully God—personal, divine, and worthy of worship. The Spirit transforms hearts from the inside out, not just behaviors. Jesus empowers believers through the Spirit to live out the commands of love. Spiritual renewal reveals the ongoing work of the Spirit. Charismatic experience and historic liturgy can coexist within a Spirit-led life. Praying “Come, Holy Spirit” remains vital for daily spiritual strength and guidance. 🎧 Listen now and rediscover the beauty, mystery, and power of God the Holy Spirit. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: John 20:22 Acts 1:8 Acts 2: 1-4 Genesis 2:7 Jeremiah 31:31-33 Galatians 5:22-23 Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or Facebook Episode Website

In this rich and reflective episode, host Derek Vreeland walks us through the final lines of the Jesus section of the Nicene Creed—unpacking what it means that Christ suffered, died, rose again, ascended, and will come again in glory. From the historical reality of the crucifixion under Pontius Pilate to the promise of Christ’s return, Derek helps listeners grasp how these core beliefs are more than theological statements—they are the heart of the Christian hope. You'll hear insights into why Jesus had to truly die, how the resurrection fulfills Scripture, and what it means to live with joyful anticipation of Christ’s kingdom that has no end. Whether you’re new to the Nicene Creed or looking for deeper reflection, this episode offers clarity, comfort, and challenge. Key Takeaways The crucifixion of Jesus rescues us from sin and reveals the love of God. Mentioning Pontius Pilate grounds Jesus’ death in history—it really happened. Jesus descended into death not to suffer, but to defeat it for our sake. “He rose on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures” connects the resurrection to the entire Old Testament story. Jesus' ascension means He now reigns with authority from the “control room of heaven.” Discover the answer to when Jesus will return in Revelation 22:20. His kingdom is both present and coming—and it will never end. 🎧 Listen now to discover the heartbeat of Christian hope through the Creed’s most powerful promises. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4Job 19:25–27Isaiah 26:19Daniel 12:2Hosea 6:2John 3:17Matthew 24:36 Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or Facebook Episode Website

In this special episode of Peaceable and Kind, host Derek Vreeland steps away from his ongoing Nicene Creed series for a heartfelt conversation about parenting and discipleship with author and pastor David Sunde. David shares insights from his new book Homegrown Disciples: Parenting Rhythms for Drawing Your Kids into Life with God. Together, they reflect on what it means to raise children who don’t just attend church—but truly encounter Jesus through the ordinary, everyday rhythms of family life. From the challenges of raising kids in a pastor’s home to the joys of grandparenting, Derek and David explore how parenting is both a spiritual practice and a sacred apprenticeship. They unpack how rhythms like compassion, generosity, gratitude, and hospitality help form children’s faith, not through perfection, but through vulnerability, honesty, and presence. If you’re a parent, grandparent, or caregiver longing to disciple the next generation with authenticity and grace, this episode will leave you encouraged, inspired, and equipped. Key Takeaways Parenting is a sacred apprenticeship—a hands-on way of showing kids how to follow Jesus in everyday life. Spiritual leadership in the home isn’t about being perfect—it’s about being honest and present. Rhythms like compassion and generosity make abstract beliefs tangible for kids. Ordinary moments—mealtime, bedtime, drive time—are powerful opportunities for spiritual formation. Kids learn best by watching us live the faith, not just hearing us talk about it. Discipleship starts at home, in the real, messy, beautiful rhythms of family life. Whether you're in the trenches of toddlerhood or navigating the teen years, this episode reminds us that God is with us—forming us as we form our children. 🎧 Listen now and discover the joy of parenting with eternal purpose. Books mentioned in this podcast: Homegrown Disciples: Parenting Rhythms for Drawing Your Kids into Life with God by David Sunde Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or Facebook Episode Website

In this theologically rich episode of Peaceable and Kind, host Derek Vreeland continues his series on the Nicene Creed by reflecting on a pivotal line: “For us and for our salvation, he came down from heaven.” Derek unpacks what it means for Jesus to come “for us”—not just for individuals, but for a collective us—and why the incarnation is the starting point of salvation. Along the way, he offers thoughtful insights on salvation as transformation (not just a ticket to heaven), evangelism as discipleship, and why honoring Mary, the Blessed Virgin, deepens our understanding of the gospel. This episode blends humor, biblical depth, church history, and personal storytelling to help listeners grasp the beauty of Jesus’ incarnation—and the revolutionary truth that salvation begins not at the cross, but in a manger. Key Takeaways Salvation isn’t a status we possess—it’s a lifelong process of healing, transformation, and becoming like Jesus. Jesus didn’t come to make better citizens—He came to make disciples who embody His kingdom. “For us and our salvation” reminds us that the gospel is personal, but never private—it builds a new us called the church. Mary’s “yes” to God marks a turning point in salvation history—her obedience undoes Eve’s disobedience. Honoring Mary isn’t worship—it’s recognizing her vital role in the incarnation of Jesus. Salvation begins with the incarnation: God becoming flesh through the Virgin Mary to live among us, rescue us, and remake us in His image. Scriptures mentioned in this episode: Luke 1:39-45 Luke 1:38 John 1:14 If you've ever wrestled with what it means to be “saved,” or wondered how ancient creeds connect to modern faith, this episode will deepen your understanding of God's saving love. 🎧 Listen now and be reminded: Jesus moved into our neighborhood—for you, for me, and for all of us. Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website

In this foundational episode of Peaceable and Kind, host Derek Vreeland dives into the heart of the Nicene Creed—the bold, ancient declaration that Jesus is “one Lord… true God from true God.” As we continue our journey through the Creed, Derek unpacks the opening lines of the Christ section, exploring what it really means to say that Jesus is Lord, King, and the eternal Son of God.   With theological insight, personal reflection, and a bit of humor, Derek traces the biblical and historical roots of key phrases like “begotten, not made” and “of one being with the Father,” while making space for mystery, awe, and wonder.   Whether you’re exploring the Creed for the first time or revisiting familiar words with fresh eyes, this episode will anchor your faith in the person of Jesus—fully God, fully man, and King of all. Key Takeaways The Nicene Creed affirms Jesus as fully divine and fully human—the foundation of Christian belief about who He is. Saying “one Lord Jesus Christ” boldly proclaims that Jesus, not Caesar or culture, holds ultimate authority in our lives. The title “Christ” means King—Jesus is not just Savior but Ruler, deserving our full allegiance and trust. Jesus is the eternal Son of God—He was not made but shares the same divine essence as the Father. Through Jesus, all things were made—He is both the Word of creation and the King of the cosmos. 🎧 Listen now and explore how the Nicene Creed helps us see Jesus clearly and love him more deeply.   Scriptures mentioned in this podcast: John 3:16 Genesis 1:1 John 1:1 Books mentioned in this podcast: What’s a Christian, Anyway? by Glenn Packiam The Creed by Luke Timothy Johnson Preorder Derek's new book, Incarnation: 8 Lessons on How God Meets Us here: https://amzn.to/42jSZAs   Did you find this episode helpful on your spiritual journey? Consider helping us out! Leave a review Share it with your friends Give us a 5-Star rating on your podcast app of choice   Get to know the host: https://derekvreeland.com   Interact with Derek on Instagram, Twitter, Bluesky, or FacebookEpisode Website