In this episode of the NIUFOS podcast, Chris is joined by Martin Murtagh, founder of Newry New Paradigm, to discuss the"far right" end of UFOlogy - the spiritual and metaphysical. Many UFO groups often overlook any spiritual or metaphysical aspect and disregard that it can relate in any way to proper UFOlogy. We discuss how, without applying metaphysics, UFOlogy in some instances just doesn't make sense. We discuss different dimensions, astral beings and travelers, the illusion we live in and other perhaps out there, right brained side topics which relate to UFOlogy.