Normalize therapy: because everybody can benefit from therapy, and nobody should be too proud to seek help when they need it!

With nearly 2.5 million downloads under the show name, The Marriage Podcast for Smart People, we renamed our show in March of 2025 to expand our mission to help bring hope and healing to an even wider audience! Your co-hosts, Caleb and Verlynda Simonyi-Gindele, are both Masters-level therapists who love talking about relationships, trauma, addiction and growth.

If you would like to work with us or one of our amazing counseling team members, you can schedule a free consultation with us on our counseling agency website.

As of March, 2025 you can also watch these shows on our YouTube channel, Normalize therapy.