In this provocative episode of New Persuasive Words, Scott and Bill dig into the Reformation — not as a museum piece of church history, but as a radical, world-upending movement that redefined faith, authority, and freedom. Was it a holy revolt or a spiritual jailbreak gone wrong? They explore the passion and peril at the heart of the Reformation: a longing for authenticity that shattered Christendom and still shapes the modern soul. Five hundred years later, are we due for another reformation — or have we forgotten what one even looks like?
In this episode of the show Scott and Bill reflect on how the deepest movements of theological renewal have always begun in places of authentic spirituality rather than positions of power. They trace how the Church’s greatest upheavals often come when authority refuses to listen to the voices calling for reform. In what some have called a new Axial Age—an era marked by technological noise, stress, and spiritual hunger—they explore why so many people, both inside and outside the Church, are seeking a more vital, grounded spirituality for our time.
In this episode, Bill and Scott dig into a recent New York Times piece Something Is Stirring in Christian America, and It’s Making Me Nervous, by David French— a sharp look at how faith, politics, and power are fusing in post-Kirk America. The article argues that what many are calling a spiritual awakening might actually be a political uprising dressed in religious language. The hosts break down the rhetoric, the myth-making, and the media framing — asking what happens when “revival” becomes a rally cry, and belief turns into brand. A fast, provocative conversation about faith, persuasion, and the dangerous seduction of moral certainty in American life.
In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Bill and Scott unpack Chapter 3 of Richard Rohr’s Breathing Under Water, where Rohr draws a powerful contrast between surrender and sacrifice. They explore why authentic transformation begins not in striving or control, but in letting go—and how that truth speaks to more than personal faith. In a culture addicted to performance, outrage, and winning, Rohr’s call to surrender offers a radical alternative. This episode dives deep into what it means to live freely—in our spiritual lives, our politics, and our public culture.
In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Scott and Bill dive into Kevin DeYoung’s review of Stephen Wolfe’s The Case for Christian Nationalism for The Gospel Coalition. They unpack Wolfe’s vision of a distinctly Christian nation—its emphasis on cultural Christianity, civil authority, and national identity—and weigh it against DeYoung’s sharp theological and historical critiques. Is Christian nationalism a faithful response to cultural decline, or a distortion of the gospel’s public implications? With wit and depth, the hosts explore what it really means to seek the common good in a pluralistic society and whether the church’s power should ever be political.
You can find the article we reference by Kevin DeYoung.
A new NPR–Marist poll shows rising acceptance of political violence, distrust in institutions, and deep divides over truth itself. In this episode, we confront the cultural, spiritual, and theological stakes of a society where persuasion is breaking down. What happens when violence replaces discourse? And what resources—religious, moral, and communal—can help us reclaim a shared life before it’s too late?
In this episode, Bill and Scott dive deep into the provocative Wall Street Journal opinion piece “Candace Owens Is a Latter-Day Gnostic.” The article argues that today’s conspiratorial “truth seekers” echo the thinking of ancient Gnostics—believing that hidden, malevolent forces control the visible world—and places Candace Owens within that framework. They explore what it means to call someone a “latter-day Gnostic,” whether the analogy holds or stretches too far, and how modern conspiracy theories mirror the dualistic worldview of classical Gnosticism. They also wrestle with the way religion, metaphor, and symbolism shape political commentary.
The article discussed on the show can be found here.
In this special live recording from Philadelphia’s Green Line Café, Scott and Bill take the conversation out of the studio and into the heart of the city. Against the backdrop of community and caffeine, they grapple with the shockwaves still reverberating from the assassination of Charlie Kirk. What does this moment mean for our public life? How do we make sense of the anger, polarization, and grief shaping the American imagination right now? With the energy of a live audience and the urgency of the moment, this episode invites listeners into a raw, reflective dialogue about where we go from here.
In the wake of the shocking murder of Charlie Kirk, we take a hard look at the language of our politics. Is it ever right—or wise—to call our opponents Hitler, fascists, or Nazis? In a culture already boiling with suspicion and outrage, does this kind of rhetoric sharpen moral clarity or simply fuel more division? Bill and Scott wrestle with the weight of our words, the dangers of toxic labeling, and the challenge of disagreeing without dehumanizing.
In this episode of the podcast Scott and Bill wrestle with the tragic shooting of Charlie Kirk and what it reveals about the deeper fractures in American life. Beyond the headlines and hot takes, they explore what this moment says about the condition of our politics, the rising tide of anger and alienation, and the spiritual vacuum shaping our national conversation. Can we find a way to move beyond violence, fear, and resentment toward a more life-giving vision of civic and spiritual renewal?
In this thought-provoking episode of New Persuasive Words, hosts Bill and Scott explore an op-ed by Bishop Robert Barron—published on September 7, 2025—titled “The dangers behind Sen. Kaine’s rejection of God-given rights as a founding principle.” Bishop Barron raises serious concerns about Senator Tim Kaine’s remarks during a Senate confirmation hearing—where Kaine questioned the idea that our rights originate from God, likening that notion to the theocratic governance of Iran. In response, Barron passionately reminds listeners that the Declaration of Independence, penned by Thomas Jefferson, affirms that our inalienable rights come from a Creator—and that government exists merely to secure them—not grant them. Bill and Scott unpack what’s really at stake. It’s a conversation about first principles, political theology, and why the question of where rights come from still matters.
You can find the article we reference by Bishop Barron here.
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In this episode, Scott and Bill discuss various topics ranging from personal anecdotes to serious public health issues, particularly focusing on vaccination mandates and public opinion. They explore the moral implications of leadership in contemporary society, the influence of Enlightenment thought on modern morality, and the challenges of navigating cultural and economic interests in politics. The conversation delves into the crisis of moral philosophy and the need for a more robust ethical framework in education, ultimately reflecting on the chaotic moral landscape of today's world.
This episode was inspired by a David Brooks piece in The Atlantic which we reference in the show. You can find the piece here.
In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Bill and Scott dive into the provocative little book _The Let Them Theory _and ask a big question: can the stoic mindset and the Christian vision really coexist, or are they fundamentally at odds? Along the way, they explore how “letting them” might be a healthy act of detachment—or a spiritual cop-out—and whether the calm of Marcus Aurelius can live in harmony with the compassion of the Gospels.
In this conversation, Scott and Bill explore various themes ranging from light-hearted banter about summer drinks and streaming services to deeper discussions on the gall of bitterness as presented in the Bible. They reflect on the nature of sin in Christianity, the politics of resentment, and the role of grace in the Christian life. The dialogue also touches on cultural reflections and the dangers of spiritual vices, concluding with a call to repentance and self-reflection.
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Takeaways_
In this conversation, Scott Jones and Bill Bohr explore the concept of demythologizing, particularly in relation to Donald Trump's influence on contemporary beliefs and narratives about Jeffrey Epstein. They discuss the implications of demythologizing in religion, the cognitive dissonance experienced by Trump supporters, and the nature of grace and redemption. The conversation also touches on the importance of small acts of kindness and the ongoing struggle between good and evil in society.
In this episode Scott and Bill explore various themes surrounding grievances in American society, including military spending, Medicaid myths, immigration issues, and the complexities of American identity. They discuss the cultural and creedal aspects of patriotism, the challenges of Christian realism, and the need for a national myth while navigating the current political landscape. The dialogue reflects on the past, present, and future of American ideals and the importance of understanding the narratives that shape them.
Takeaways
The airing of grievances is a common theme in public discourse.
Military spending for celebrations raises questions about public funds.
Medicaid fraud is often exaggerated in political rhetoric.
Immigration policies are influenced by economic incentives.
American identity is shaped by both cultural and creedal elements.
The left and right have diverging narratives on patriotism.
Christian realism requires a balance between faith and national identity.
Historical context is crucial for understanding current American ideals.
Political identity is complex and often contradictory.
Coalition building is essential in navigating political landscapes.
Chapters
00:00 Airing of Grievances: Setting the Stage
02:56 The Cost of Celebration: Military Spending and Public Funds
05:58 Medicaid Myths: The Reality of Fraud and Abuse
08:54 Immigration and Economic Incentives: A Complex Dilemma
11:51 Cultural Identity vs. Creed: Understanding American Values
14:50 The Left and Right: Diverging Narratives on Patriotism
17:44 Christian Realism: Balancing Faith and National Identity
20:46 The Future of American Ideals: Learning from History
23:49 Coalition Building: The Complexity of Political Identity
In this conversation, Scott and Bill explore the decline of American pride, the erosion of the middle class, and the pervasive nature of 'bullshit' in political discourse. They discuss how political identity fluctuates based on party affiliation, the cultural implications of consumerism, and the role of rhetoric in shaping public opinion. The dialogue culminates in a reflection on sincerity and self-awareness in a world filled with misinformation and superficiality.
Takeaways
Sound bites
"We're killing the middle class."
"Born in the USA is a sad song."
"Sincerity itself is bullshit."
Chapters
00:00 American Pride and Political Identity
03:53 The Erosion of the Middle Class
09:47 The Nature of Bullshit in Politics
19:35 The Role of Rhetoric and Communication
29:31 Self-Reflection and Sincerity in Discourse
In this special live episode of New Persuasive Words, Scott and Bill record in person at The Green Line Café in Philadelphia, reflecting on the recent bombing of Iran ordered by President Trump. With coffee in hand and other patrons in the room, they unpack the political and ethical dimensions of this act of war. What does it say about American power, the role of conscience in foreign policy, and the ever-thinning line between calculated strategy and reckless provocation? Join us for a real-time theological and political conversation rooted in moral seriousness and public faith.
We reference an anonymous open letter from an Iranian living abroad. You can find it here.
In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Bill and Scott explore the idea of history as a form of divine revelation—alongside nature and the Bible—drawing inspiration from Tomáš Halík’s provocative new book, The Afternoon of Christianity. As Halík invites us to reimagine faith for a postmodern, post-Christendom world, we consider how historical consciousness itself can become a sacred text, revealing God’s presence not just in the past but in the unfolding of time. From the Incarnation to modern crises, we ask: What if salvation history hasn’t ended, but continues to speak in the afternoon light of our contemporary moment?
In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Bill and Scott explore how the pattern of death and resurrection—so central to the Christian story—is also the essential rhythm of a thriving personal and public life. From letting go of ego and outdated identities to embracing new beginnings in our relationships, vocations, and politics, they argue that true transformation always passes through some form of dying. Drawing on theology, personal experience, and cultural analysis, they reflect on how this pattern can help us navigate a time of great institutional and existential upheaval. This isn't about escapism or sentimentality—it's about finding hope and renewal on the far side of surrender.