Joanne discusses the complex topic of covert abuse, drawing from a recent podcast. She shares personal experiences of abuse that veered into the antisocial realm and distinguishes between sociopathy and psychopathy. This episode explores covert continuous abuse - via childhood and marital relationships and its subtle, insidious tactics. Joanne emphasizes the importance of recognizing these behaviors and setting boundaries. Boundaries that often make things worse, as standing up can further misconstrue abuse, covert in particular.  Red Head, per usual, acknowledges that abusers are often dissociated themselves - and unlikely to face themselves. She does not wish more pain upon those that hurt, but sides with those just facing what they’ve endured/tolerated. It’s a long journey.