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Mutuality Matters
CBE International
100 episodes
1 week ago
The Mutuality Matters podcast is now part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! New hosts join the CBE Mutuality Matters team to offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, equality, and the Bible. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
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The Mutuality Matters podcast is now part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! New hosts join the CBE Mutuality Matters team to offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, equality, and the Bible. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.
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Mutuality Matters
(Women and Words) Inside the Bible Translation Room with Dr. Joel B. Green: Part 1
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, hosted by CBE International, Dr. Joel Green joins the conversation to discuss the importance of Bible translation and interpretation, emphasizing the inclusion of women in the process.
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1 week ago
35 minutes

Mutuality Matters
(Women and Words) Understanding "Wives Submit" and the Household Codes in 1 Peter 3:1–7 with Dr. Jeannine Brown
In this episode of the Mutuality Matters podcast from CBE International, hosts Mimi and Charel speak with Dr. Jeannine Brown who discusses the pressing need to interpret the Biblical text of 1 Peter 3:1–7 within its first-century Greco-Roman context. Dr. Brown emphasizes the importance of understanding the cultural and historical background behind the passages on submission, particularly 1 Peter 3:1–7. She explores how Peter's household codes provide agency to often marginalized groups like wives and slaves, contrary to the hierarchical norms of the time. The conversation underscores the relevance today of recognizing and respecting context while interpreting Biblical texts—an essential factor for both scholars and modern readers.    00:00 Introduction to Mutuality Matters  00:02 Exploring the Context of Submission in 1 Peter  00:49 Welcome and Introductions  01:33 Reading and Analyzing 1 Peter 3:1-7  02:57 Cultural Background and Interpretation  03:37 Household Codes in the Greco-Roman World  07:24 Missional Moments and Divided Households  08:20 Challenges for Christian Wives in the First Century  10:03 Slavery and Moral Agency in 1 Peter  11:28 Understanding Peter's Use of Household Codes  16:50 Modern Interpretations and Misconceptions  27:46 The Role of Headings in Biblical Interpretation  30:15 Instructions for Husbands in 1 Peter 3:7  36:30 Exploring Social and Physical Vulnerability  37:19 Interpreting 'Weaker Vessel' in Context  38:02 Challenging Traditional Views on Gender Roles  40:18 Co-Heirs and Inheritance in Early Christianity  41:50 Family Metaphors in 1 Peter  43:37 Egalitarian Impulses in the New Testament  45:28 Household Codes and Their Implications  50:08 Suffering for Good and Loyalty to Jesus  52:47 Translation Challenges and Responsibilities  58:01 Applying 1 Peter in Modern Contexts  01:04:03 Conclusion and Further Resources    Guest Bio: Dr. Jeannine Brown   Jeannine Brown is professor of New Testament at Bethel Seminary and Program Director of Bethel Seminary’s Online programs. Jeannine received in MA from Bethel Seminary, Saint Paul, MN. and her PhD from Luther seminary, Saint Paul, MN. Dr. Brown has taught at Bethel Seminary for over 20 years. She teaches in the areas of New Testament, Greek, hermeneutics, and integration.   Dr. Brown has focused much of her research and writing on the Gospels, hermeneutics, and interdisciplinary integration. In addition to a book on biblical hermeneutics (Scripture as Communication, now in second edition) and two books on integration, she has published three commentaries on Matthew's Gospel and one on Philippians (Tyndale NT series). She is a member of the NIV translation team and is an editor for the NIV Study Bible, revised edition (2020). Her current writing projects include a commentary 1 Peter (NICNT) and book on themes in 1 Peter. Jeannine’s other published works include: Scripture as Communication (2021, 2007); The Gospels as Stories (2020); Relational Integration of Psychology and Christian Theology (2018); Becoming Whole and Holy: An Integrative Conversation about Christian Formation (2011); Embedded Genres in the New Testament: Understanding Their Impact for Interpretation and three commentaries on the Gospel of Matthew (2018, 2015, 2012). Jeannine Brown co-edited the second edition of Jesus and the Gospels (2013). She has published numerous journal articles and book essays on the Gospels of Matthew and John, 1 Peter, and topics of hermeneutics. Some of these have been published in Journal of Biblical Literature, New Testament Studies, Catholic Biblical Quarterly, and Horizons in Biblical Theology. Jeannine thoroughly enjoys teaching in churches and ministries on the topics of Bible interpretation and the New Testament. She is married to Tim Brown, singer-songwriter, and has two adult daughters.  Story Notes  Today’s podcast focused on 1 Pet 3:1–7. In the NIV it reads:  "Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if
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2 months ago
1 hour 8 minutes 43 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women and Words) The Intersection of Culture and Bible Translation with Mayra Ugalde: Part 5
In episode of Mutuality Matters, hosted by Mimi Haddad and produced by CBE International, guest Mayra Ugalde addresses the importance of women’s leadership and service in the church, as guided by biblical teachings.
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3 months ago
28 minutes 32 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women in Scripture and Mission) The East African Revival Moment with Bishop Emily Onyango
In this episode, Kim talks to Rt. Rev. Dr. Emily Onyango about the East Africa Revival Movement that began in 1927 and is still reverberating through East Africa today.
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3 months ago
41 minutes 31 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women and Words) The Intersection of Culture and Bible Translation with Mayra Ugalde: Part 4
This episode of Mutuality Matters, hosted by CBE International, interviews delves into the significant role women played in Paul’s ministry and offers insights into commonly misunderstood biblical passages used to limit women’s roles in church and society. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the cultural context of scripture, the equality in Christ beyond gender, and the mutual submission in Christian marriage. Various translations of key texts like Ephesians 5 and Genesis 3:16 are compared to highlight biases and interpretations. The episode concludes with a call to read the Bible holistically to grasp its true message of equality and mutuality in Christ.
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5 months ago
49 minutes 22 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women in Scripture and History) The Women of Exodus with Dr. Carmen Joy Imes
In this episode, Kim talks to Dr. Carmen Joy Imes about the women of Exodus. Dr. Imes brings her deep knowledge of Exodus to the average Christian audience, explaining how the structure and literary parallels of Exodus to show how the women are the rescuers of Moses, who then rescues the Hebrews. She provides the details of the midwives’ spiritual work of saving lives. She demonstrates how Pharaoh’s daughter displayed God’s character as she sees Moses’ misery, heard his cry, and took pity on him. She explains the Hebrew that illustrates how Miriam took a stand at the river to address Pharaoh’s daughter just as Moses later took a stand to address Pharaoh. And she explains how Zipporah literally saved Moses’ life as he decided which people group he belonged. Amidst these detailed portrayals of the Exodus women, Dr. Imes also points out the narrator’s use of humor to depict the bumbling and nameless Pharaoh.
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6 months ago
43 minutes 35 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women and Words) Which Bible Translation Is Best in Latin America? with Mayra Ugalde: Part 3
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, hosted by CBE International, the focus is on the significance of Bible translation and its impact on women’s lives worldwide, especially in Latin America. Special guest Maya Ugalde, honorary director of the Bible Society of Costa Rica, shares her extensive experience in Bible publishing and distribution. The discussion covers the importance of diverse translation teams, avoiding biases, and the role of traditional translations in fostering a deeper connection with God.
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6 months ago
37 minutes 4 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women in Scripture and History) Who was Mary Magdalene really? with Rev. Dr. Jennifer Powell McNutt
In this episode, Kim talks to Rev Dr. Jennifer Powell McNutt about Mary Magdalene. She discusses the Biblical witness of Mary Magdalene, and what happened historically to Mary so that she came to be understood as a prostitute. She also discusses the meaning of Apostle and why the Eastern and Western churches remember Mary Magdalene as an apostle to the apostles.
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6 months ago
37 minutes 52 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women and Words) The Intersection of Culture and Bible Translation with Mayra Ugalde: Part 2
This episode of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by CBE International, features an in-depth discussion with Mayra Ugalde, the Honorary Director of the Bible Society of Costa Rica.
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7 months ago
37 minutes 28 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Home, Church, and World) Family and Mutuality with Rev. Dr. Emily McGowin
In this episode, we’re joined by Rev. Dr. Emily McGowin, professor of theology at Wheaton College and author of the new book Households of Faith, to discuss the theology of family.
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8 months ago
35 minutes 11 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women and Words) From Oppression to Empowerment: Women in Scripture
Speaking as a Christian born, raised and in the Latin culture where she continues to work, Mayra explores the complex influence and tension between Bible translation and culture, including Bible culture. Mayra observes how often culture and church tradition have more influence than one’s one reading of Scripture.
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8 months ago
53 minutes 25 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Side by Side) Together in All Things with Kelsey and Dane Schuett
Married couple Kelsey and Dane Schuett are together…a lot. Not only do they serve on the same church staff team, but they also serve alongside one another in mission with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship. Most importantly, they are co-parenting their young son Leo.
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8 months ago
46 minutes 3 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Home, Church, and World) Mutuality and Masculinity with Zachary Wagner: Part 2
In this special two-part interview, we’re joined by Zachary C. Wagner, director of programs for the Center for Pastor Theologians and author of Non-Toxic Masculinity, to discuss the role unhelpful views of masculinity impact how women and men function together.
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8 months ago
26 minutes 30 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women and Words) Bible Passages that Support Women’s Leadership with Rev. Dr. Aída Besançon Spencer
In the second episode, Dr. Mimi Haddad meets with Rev. Dr. Aída Besançon Spencer to explore key ways Scripture goes against the grain of culture. While some scholars uphold Bible cultural as the moral standard, Aída encouraged readers to begin in the New Testament.
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9 months ago
40 minutes 47 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women in Scripture and History) Pandita Ramabai, a Bible Translator and Social Activist with Dr. Boaz Johnson
In this episode, Kim talks to Dr. Boaz Johnson about the Indian scholar and activist Pandita Ramabai. Through this interview we hear both about Dr. Johnson’s own background growing up in India and how the writings of Pandita Ramabai influenced his own faith. As the interview unfolds, we follow the progression of Ramabai’s own life from being an orphaned Hindu whose father secretly taught her the Hindu religious scriptures to becoming a Christian challenging and re-translating the poor bible translations. Always a rule breaker, Pandita Ramabai left a legacy of how to stand for the truth of God’s word.      Guest Bio   Rev. Boaz Johnson (PhD, Trinity International University and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School) is a professor of Biblical and Theological Studies at North Park University in Chicago, IL. His writing has appeared in publications such as Christianity Today and The Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society.    Resources by Dr. Boaz Johnson Mutuality Matters podcast: Women and Words: Women Pioneers in Bible Translation with Dr. Boaz Johnson   Mutuality Magazine: Pandita Ramabai's Legacy: How Gender Conscious Bible Translation Impacts Christian Ministry   CBE International Conference Audios:   Pandita Ramabai: India and the Pandemic, Plague, Plight of Women with Boaz Johnson at the 2020 CBE International Conference   Male, Female, Slave, and Free in the Context of a Pandemic: In the Thought of Katharine Bushnell at the 2022 CBE International Conference     Related Resources   Words Matter: How a Corrected Bible Translation Transformed a Community by Kimberly Dickson  The Theological Quest of an Indian Woman: Dogma, Doubts, and Debates in Pandita Ramabai’s Early Christian Life   Caste and Gender in India: The Bakht Singh Assemblies and Egalitarianism   Radio: Women in Scripture and Mission    Disclaimer   The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.  
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9 months ago
23 minutes 14 seconds

Mutuality Matters
Mutuality and Masculinity with Zachary Wagner: Part 1 (Home, Church, and World)
In this special two-part interview, we’re joined by Zachary C. Wagner, director of programs for the Center for Pastor Theologians and author of Non-Toxic Masculinity, to discuss the role unhelpful views of masculinity impact how women and men function together.
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9 months ago
30 minutes 42 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Women and Words) Comparing Bible Translations with Rev. Dr. Aída Besançon Spencer
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.
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10 months ago
37 minutes 11 seconds

Mutuality Matters
Women, Honor, and Head Coverings with Dr. Cynthia Long Westfall (Women in Scripture and History)
In this episode, Kim talks to Dr. Cynthia Long Westfall. Dr. Westfall shares her background, providing context that helps explain her interest in the New Testament and Paul. Her mentors, service, analytical mind and questions led her into digging into the New Testament and Paul, and women’s sexuality. She provides excellent context and interpretations of Paul’s difficult passages. She specifically focuses on how Paul instructs the church to honor the traditionally discarded women with the Ancient Corinthain symbol of honorable women, the head covering.     00:00 Introduction to Mutuality Matters Podcast  00:24 Meet Dr. Cynthia Westfall  01:07 Cynthia's Journey to Faith and Scholarship  03:19 Struggles with Traditional Interpretations  07:07 Embracing Egalitarianism  15:01 Paul's Subversion of Cultural Norms  19:51 Introduction to the Topic  20:26 Traditional Interpretation of 1 Corinthians 11  21:22 Questioning Traditional Views  23:10 Alternate Interpretations Based on Veiling History  24:38 Cultural Significance of Veiling  26:55 Paul's True Intentions  28:54 Implications for Women in the Church  34:51 Order in Worship Services  37:17 Conclusion and Final Thoughts    Guest Bio    Dr. Cynthia Long Westfall is associate professor of New Testament and has been at McMaster Divinity College since 2005, teaching courses in New Testament with a specialization in the book of Hebrews, Greek exegesis, biblical interpretation, intertextuality, women in ministry, biblical social justice and welcoming the other, courses which are devoted to a commitment to transformation by God’s word through its application to all aspects of life and ministry. Dr. Westfall has a constellation of research interests that are focused on issues concerned with the New Testament and its interpretation with contemporary methodologies and its translation. She places a special focus on texts and issues that have been traditionally overlooked. She has a priority of mentoring academic and professional students as well as others. Her ministry experience includes campus ministry, ministry to the urban community, support of the immigrant community in the US and Canada and the support of women pursuing God’s call on their lives.  She currently serves on the board of Canadian Baptist Missions (CBM). She has served as chair of the board of Wentworth Baptist Church in Hamilton, ON, and continues to serve the church is various ways including preaching, consulting and serving as a delegate as well as speaking and teaching in the churches, organizations and assembly of the Canadian Baptists of Ontario and Quebec (CBOQ).  Dr. Cynthia Long Westfall is professor of New Testament at McMaster Divinity College in Canada.    Resources by Dr. Westfall Cynthia Long Westfall. Paul and Gender: Reclaiming the Apostle’s Vision for Men and Women in Christ (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic). 2016.  Mutuality Matters podcast: Redeeming Paul - Part 1, Redeeming Paul - Part 2  Mutuality Magazine: Difficult Passages in the Bible and How to Understand Them  Priscilla Papers: On Developing a Consistent Hermeneutical Approach to the Application of General Scriptures    CBE International Conference Audios:   Paul and Gender: Highlights and Bombshells   The Symbol of the Veil in the Ancient Near East and Today: Subjugation or Honor - Part 1   The Symbol of the Veil in the Ancient Near East and Today: Subjugation or Honor? Part 2  In Church or at Home? What is 1 Timothy 2:8-15 Really About?  Answering Those Who Ask: Moving from Defense to a Breakthrough    Relevant Resources   Roy Ciampa was mentioned in the interview explaining the educational level of women in the New Testament Church his podcast interview with Dr. Mimi Hadad in Women and Words: Marriage in the Greco-Roman World in Translation with Dr. Rogy Ciampa  Dr. Westfall references Kenneth Baily’s book about women in the Middle East. See Cynthia Long Westfall’s review of his book: Jesus Through Middle Eastern Eyes  Veil Bound o
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11 months ago
40 minutes 24 seconds

Mutuality Matters
(Home, Church, and World) The Five Myths of Purity Culture with Dr. Camden Morgante
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, hosts Todd and Tara Korpi sit down with Dr. Camden Morgante to discuss her new book, Recovering from Purity Culture. The conversation explores the impact of purity culture on both men and women, the myths propagated by purity teachings, and practical steps for healing and recovery. Dr. Morgante shares her personal journey and professional insights as a psychologist, offering valuable guidance for individuals and couples striving for a healthier understanding of sexuality and spirituality.    00:00 Introduction to Mutuality Matters  00:19 Welcome and Guest Introduction  01:13 Dr. Camden Morgante's Background  13:41 Impact on Women Raised in Purity Culture  16:55 Support CBE International  17:23 Impact on Men Raised in Purity Culture  24:41 Techniques for Healing from Shame-Based Sexuality  27:03 Purity Culture's Impact on Church Leadership     Bio Dr. Camden Morgante is a licensed psychologist with nearly 15 years of experience as a therapist and college professor. She owns a private therapy practice focusing on women’s issues, relationships, sexuality, trauma, and spirituality, and is a frequent speaker. Dr. Camden’s mission is to help Christians heal their faith from toxic beliefs. She is the author of Recovering from Purity Culture. Dr. Camden lives in Knoxville, Tennessee, with her husband and their daughter and son.  Recovering From Purity Culture  Visit www.drcamden.com  Follow Camden Morgante on Facebook and Instagram    Related Resources 5 Purity Culture Myths and Why They Are False Promises My Body Kept Score: What Purity Culture Didn’t Know about Trauma  7 Lies That Purity Culture Teaches Women  Promises, Promises: Questioning the Protection of Purity Culture    Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. 
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11 months ago
31 minutes 35 seconds

Mutuality Matters
Bible Translation vs. Interpretation: Where Bible Translators Go Wrong with Hélène Dallaire (Women and Words)
In this episode of Mutuality Matters, Dr. Mimi Haddad and Dr. Hélène Dallaire engage in a rich discussion on women's roles in biblical scholarship, the challenges faced in male-dominated fields, the impact of flawed Bible translations on women, and the crucial need for translating Scripture accurately to empower women. They explore stories of women overcoming barriers, the significance of mentoring in leadership, and the broader cultural implications of hierarchical teachings.    00:00 Introduction to Mutuality Matters  00:02 Breaking Gender Norms in Academia  01:28 Impact of Bible Translations on Women  05:06 The Role of Faith Communities in Addressing Abuse  05:52 Reinterpreting “Helper” in Genesis  11:08 Challenges and Progress for Women in Ministry  18:23 Mentorship and Leadership Development  25:23 Future of Bible Translation and Women's Roles  29:51 Concluding Thoughts and Encouragement  33:01 Closing Remarks and Farewell    Dr. Hélène Dallaire earned a PhD in Hebraic and Cognate Studies at Hebrew Union College. At Denver Seminary, Hélène is the Earl S. Kalland Professor OT and Semitic Languages and chairs the OT Department. She has served as Associate Pastor at Word Faith Christian Center in Vancouver and Oakville Canada. Hélène has published widely, with titles such as:   The Baker Illustrated Study Bible  Apollos OT Commentary Series by IVP     Dr. Dallaire has published articles and chapters in:  “Gender Issues and the Role of Women in Joshua,” In Formation and Interpretation of Old Testament Literature. Leiden, Brill  “Women: Let’s Use Our Voices – Psalm 68:12;” “Daughter of Zion/Jerusalem – Zephaniah 3:14-17;” and “A Woman in a Basket – Zechariah 5,” in Every Woman’s Bible, Tyndale; A review of  Carol Meyer’s, Rediscovering Eve: Ancient Israelite Women in Context (Oxford) in the Journal of the Evangelical Study of the Old Testament  “Women in the OT: A Legacy to Build On” for Denver Seminary’s Engage Magazine.    Hélène teaches courses on Women in the Old Testament, the Ancient Near East, and Women’s Leadership for the Association of Theological Schools, and with a CBE chapter locally. She serves on the board of the CBE Denver Chapter. Hélène received a 2024 CBE Lifetime Achievement Award.  Related Resources  An Update on CBE’s Translation Project  Words Matter: How a Corrected Translation Transformed a Community  Correcting Caricatures: Women and Bible Translation    The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.   
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11 months ago
33 minutes 34 seconds

Mutuality Matters
The Mutuality Matters podcast is now part of CBE International’s online library of free resources! New hosts join the CBE Mutuality Matters team to offer weekly conversations with leaders, pastors, authors, scholars, activists, and humanitarians on women, men, equality, and the Bible. CBE International (Christians for Biblical Equality) advances the gospel by equipping women and men of all cultures, races, and classes to lead and serve as equals. Founded in 1989, CBE has supporters and ministry partners in over 100 denominations and 65 countries, and offers annual conferences, adult and youth curricula, a curated bookstore, multi-media resources, award-winning publications, and a blog. Learn more at cbeinternational.org.