Leland Kean, the Artistic Development Manager of Merrigong Theatre Company, interview Tom & Elana as they enter rehearsals for Mount Hopeless. Tickets are on sale for Mount Hopeless. The show runs September 1-3, at Merrigong Theatre Company, IPAC, Wollongong. Get your tickets at https://merrigong.com.au/shows/mount-hopeless/ For more information, to reserve tickets, or to listen to other Merrigong Theatre Podcasts, visit www.merrigong.com.au.

Elana interviews her brother-in-law, Jack Manning Bancroft, the CEO and Founder of AIME.

We certainly aren't the first people to turn to the Burke & Wills venture for creative adaptation. Tom & Elana get on the ol' telephone JUST LIKE THE OLD DAYS to get in touch with Ashley Davies in Melbourne who has created musical adaptations of Burke & Wills, as well as Ned Kelly. || Visit https://ashleydavies.bandcamp.com for more information. Editing by Tom Hogan. Theme song by Nicole Smede.

Elana takes over the edit, for a conversation with Prof. Tim Flannery, on account of his book The Explorers, full of the diary entries of Australian Colonial Explorers, including William Wills. As a subplot, Tom commissions vocalist and sound designer Nicole Smede to make a theme song... that will probably turn up in the show.

Tom Hogan & Elana Stone are in the middle of developing a musical about Burke & Wills, but trying to tell the story properly is so loaded with cultural weight that it's not so easy. So Tom & Elana talk to Kirli Saunders, to begin to understand some of the complexities and responsibilities behind being a Cultural Advisor for Artistic Projects. In this episode, Kirli reads her poem, Dharawal Country, from her book of poetry, Kindred, available to order direct from Magabala Books. Keep up to date with all of Kirli's work on her website, https://kirlisaunders.com/