Tor Svelland, CIO and Founder of Svelland Capital, has annualized over 18.5% net of fees since inception in 2017 in their strategy that trades a combination of commodity futures, commodity linked equities, freight derivatives, energy transition linked companies, and electricity producers. Svelland joins Other People’s Money to discuss why he believes new market participants and structural undersupply have made the current environment for commodities trading so exciting. He also discusses how he’s grown his business from personal capital to almost $1 billion in AUM with investors all over the globe. Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 04:09 Trafigura & Goldman Sachs as Commodities Trading Talent Hubs 06:38 Launching Svelland Capital with Personal Capital 09:03 The First Major Hurdles: 3 Years & $100m in AUM 10:56 ESG and the Commodity Market Backdrop 15:59 Underinvestment & Undersupply in Shipping & Commodities 20:41 Trading Global Supply Chains Shifts 23:44 Trade Expression & Commodities Portfolio Construction 29:06 The Effects of New Commodity Market Participants 36:06 TTF Gas Markets & Price Spike Potential 39:38 Multiple PMs & The Benefits of Taking Risk 42:05 Thinking Internationally & Advice for Young Commodities Traders 45:56 International Investor Interest in Commodities 48:00 Managing AUM Growth & Capacity Constraints

This episode of Monetary Matters is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHJack Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): http://vaneck.com/SMHXJack Renowned trade historian Douglas Irwin joins Jack to compare the ongoing shifts in American trade policy to Smoot-Hawley tariff during the Great Depression and the McKinley-era tariffs of the late 19th century of which President Trump speaks so fondly. Irwin, the John French Professor of Economics at Dartmouth College, and author of “Clashing over Commerce” and “Trade Policy Disaster” among other titles, notes that most economic historians agree that the Smoot-Hawley tariff was not the primary cause of the Great Depression. Rather, while it probably exacerbated the global economic slowdown, trade barriers in a narrow sense served their respective countries' interest in limiting gold outflows. Professor Irwin argues that current tariffs (2% to ~15%) are a greater shock than Smoot-Hawley (38% to 42%), because of the higher rate of change and because U.S. trade as a percentage of GDP is higher now than it was in the 1930s. Jack lobs pro-protectionist arguments that Irwin strongly rejects. The two reflect on balance of payments, with Irwin noting that large capital inflows into the United States are a major cause of the large and persistent U.S. trade deficit. Recorded on August 7, 2025. Douglas Irwin’s books discussed: “Trade Policy Disaster: Lessons from the 1930s”: https://direct.mit.edu/books/monograph/3374/Trade-Policy-DisasterLessons-from-the-1930s “Clashing over Commerce: A History of US Trade Policy”: https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo24475328.html “Peddling Protectionism: Smoot-Hawley and the Great Depression”: https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691178066/peddling-protectionism?srsltid=AfmBOoqh-ZTEvY-wNf7wqitXQpkh-tfA7MEOyqxhKCoeHo7WbyUaJRB9 Douglas Irwin’s papers discussed: “TARIFF INCIDENCE: EVIDENCE FROM U.S. SUGAR DUTIES, 1890-1930”: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w20635/w20635.pdf “HIGHER TARIFFS, LOWER REVENUES? ANALYZING THE FISCAL ASPECTS OF THE "GREAT TARIFF DEBATE OF 1888"”: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w6239/w6239.pdf Follow Douglas Irwin on Twitter https://x.com/D_A_Irwin Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

This Monetary Matters episode is brought to you by Fiscal.ai. Sign up for a 2-week free trial and get 15% off any paid tier at: http://fiscal.ai/mm Jack Farley & Max Wiethe break down recent economic data on inflation and the labor market, the parade of positive earnings reports sending markets higher, and how this is representative of an economic expansion that is benefiting Wall Street while Main Street is left behind. Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Max on Twitter: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:46 Financial Conditions Are Easy 01:48 Inflation Report (CPI) 04:02 Market Strength (Wall St.) vs Economic Weakness (Main St.) 10:13 Earnings Expectations: Priced for Perfection? 16:13 Fiscal AI 17:36 Are We in a Bubble? 22:12 AI CapEx Trends 25:42 AMZN and Earnings Season Losers 30:38 What’s Up Next Earnings 33:11 The New BLS and Labor Market Data 38:12 Market Complacency and Long-term Predictions 42:46 What’s in the Portfolio of “Super Investors”

Leland Clemons, co-founder and CEO of BondBloxx, shares his view on where he thinks fixed-income ETFs are headed. He talks about the creation of the first private credit ETF (consisting of tranches of middle-market CLOs), the mechanics of ETF creation via authorized participants (APs), equity concentration risk, and increased specialization of fixed-income ETFs. Recorded August 8, 2025. Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

For 26% off to SuperMacro: https://billing.super-macro.com/b/14A5kDfMVeim3VM5ZW7bW06 For many Jonny Matthews, former PM at Brevan Howard and publisher of SuperMacro, has emphatically rejected the case for a recession in the U.S. Recent economic data is causing him to reevaluate his view. While he still calls himself a “recession denier,” Matthews now thinks a slowdown is already occurring in the U.S. that will *look* like stagflation in the fall. Whether it will actually be “real stagflation” is a different question. But Matthews has a bearish view on stocks and bonds, while acknowledging that putting on these trades are difficult and that he is waiting for the right time. Recorded on August 6, 2025.  About SuperMacro https://super-macro.com/who-we-are Follow Jonny Matthews on Twitter https://x.com/super_macro Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

Donald Zilkha, founder of Zilkha Investments joins Other People’s Money to discuss how his deep-rooted DNA in banking and deal making has evolved into an investment strategy focused on deep research and engagement with management to affect change without upsetting the apple cart. He discusses how this strategy has evolved from single name SPVs to the commingled strategy he has today, case studies like Nathan’s Famous Hot Dogs, and why this classical style resonates with investors. Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:34 The Birth of Modern Banking in the Middle East 10:27 Evolution from Venture, to SPVs, to Drawdown, to Vanilla Equity 19:09 Engagement vs. Activism 27:17 Nathan's Famous Hot Dogs Case Study 33:05 Take Private Opportunities 35:55 Investing in a "Classical" Style 38:43 Talking About Process Instead of Positions 45:02 Value Investing in Tech and Old-Line Businesses 50:05 Team Continuity & Incentives 54:18 Marketing After 10+ Years

This episode of Monetary Matters is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHJack Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): http://vaneck.com/SMHXJack Michael Howell of Crossborder Capital returns to Monetary Matters to share a strategic update on his reading of the liquidity cycle. A weakening U.S. Dollar is allowing many central banks around the world to ease. With large amounts of monetary easing from China’s central bank (PBOC), falling fixed-income volatility, and a shortening of the U.S. debt term structure, which Howell calls “not yield curve control yield curve control,” Howell sees a bullish liquidity backdrop throughout the end of the year into 2026. Recorded July 21, 2025. Follow Michael Howell on Twitter https://x.com/crossbordercap Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

This Monetary Matters episode is brought to you by Fiscal.ai.Sign up for a 2-week free trial and get 15% off any paid tier at: http://fiscal.ai/mm Jack Farley & Max Wiethe break down today’s FOMC rate cut decision, this morning’s GDP report, recent tariff developments as major August deadlines approach, and the big earnings reports that are moving markets. Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Max on Twitter: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez 

David Steinberg, founder and CIO of Marlowe Partners joins Other People’s Money to discuss why he believes the operational and capital raising side of the investment business is the most important factor in determining success. He also discusses how he is navigating the capital raising process with a focus on weeding out investors who are not a fit for his concentrated long-term investing style, how that long-term style affects his ability to use AI in the research process, and why it is important not to be too innovative with your investment terms. David would also like to highlight the importance of high quality service providers and has shared three service providers he would highly recommend to other investment professionals. For accounting services David uses: https://rsmus.com For outsourced compliance services David uses: https://www.salusgrc.com For legal services David uses: https://www.akingump.com/en Follow David on Twitter: https://x.com/PeterLakeSounds Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:30 The Most Important Aspect of Investing 10:16 The Market for Concentrated Investing 13:47 Staying in the Game 17:45 Non-Standard Structures Are a Risk 19:41 New Structures for Individual Investors 27:11 Communicating Investing Process 34:28 Using AI to Cut Investment Research Costs 49:04 The Mission of $1B to $100B

This Monetary Matters episode is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHJack Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): http://vaneck.com/SMHXJack Brent Johnson, CEO of Santiago Capital, joins Monetary Matters to discuss why he believes the idea that a US sovereign debt crisis could occur in a vacuum without spilling over into a global sovereign debt crisis is outlandish. He argues that because there would be knock on effects globally, any such crisis would be extremely bullish for the dollar, not bearish as many have argued. He also argues that current panic around dollar weakness is overblown and that the current battle between the Fed and the US Treasury will be won by the Treasury and usher in a new error of less autonomy and independence from the Federal Reserve, potentially sending yields and dollars higher. Read Brent’s Research: https://pages.santiagocapital.com/research Follow Brent Johnson on Twitter: https://x.com/SantiagoAuFund Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez An investment in the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH) and VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX) may be subject to risks which include, among others, risks related to investing in the semiconductor industry, special risk considerations of investing in Taiwanese issuers, equity securities, small-, medium and large-capitalization companies, foreign securities, emerging market issuers, foreign currency, depositary receipts, issuer-specific changes, market, operational, index tracking, authorized participant concentration, new fund, no guarantee of active trading market, trading issues, passive management, fund shares trading, premium/discount and liquidity of fund shares, non-diversified, and index-related concentration risks, all of which may adversely affect the Fund. Small, medium and large-capitalization companies may be subject to elevated risks. Emerging market issuers and foreign securities may be subject to securities markets, political and economic, investment and repatriation restrictions, different rules and regulations, less publicly available financial information, foreign currency and exchange rates, operational and settlement, and corporate and securities laws risks. Investing involves substantial risk and high volatility, including possible loss of principal. An investor should consider the investment objective, risks, charges and expenses of a Fund carefully before investing. To obtain a prospectus and summary prospectus, which contain this and other information, call 800.826.2333 or visit vaneck.com. Please read the prospectus and summary prospectus carefully before investing. © Van Eck Securities Corporation, Distributor, a wholly owned subsidiary of Van Eck Associates Corporation

Wayne Dahl, managing director and co-portfolio manager of Global Credit at Oaktree Capital Management, joins Monetary Matters to share his views on navigating the world of credit. With spreads low not just in high-yield, but also in bank loans, collateralized loan obligations (CLOs), and private credit, Dahl talks about where value is to be found during a time of high tariffs and high uncertainty. Recorded July 14, 2025. Follow Wayne Dahl on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/wayne-dahl-3530175 Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

Louis Camhi, founder and CIO of RLH Capital returns to Other People’s Money to discuss how SPACs are making a comeback in 2025. Camhi discusses the differences between SPACs and DeSPACs, common misconceptions about SPAC risk, and how 2025’s boom in SPAC issuance is a far cry from what we saw in 2021. Camhi also discusses the different strategies he employs to take advantage of the unique opportunities SPACs provide, thematic trends in SPAC acquisition targets, and how he is using SPVs to increase exposure to SPAC target bridge loans. Follow Louis on Twitter: https://x.com/valwithcatalyst Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod

Volatility specialist Dean Curnutt, founder of Macro Risk Advisors and host of the Alpha Exchange podcast, joins Jack to share his view on volatility across assets. He explains why he thinks even though equity puts may be attractive for rainy day insurance, technically equity implied vol is very expensive relative to realized vol. While in Bitcoin land, Dean argues that Bitcoin volatility is cheap because vol can expand as the asset rises. Dean shares his view of tariffs and the U.S. Treasury market. Recorded July 9, 2025. Follow Dean Curnutt on Twitter https://x.com/Alpha_Ex_LLC Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

This Other People’s Money episode is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHMax Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): http://vaneck.com/SMHXMax Jon Caplis, CEO and founder at PivotalPath joins Other People’s Money to discuss how underreporting of data by the top tier of hedge funds is skewing the data that institutional investors use to make allocation decisions, resulting in undeservedly poor perception of the asset class, and significant underinvestment from institutional investors relying on allocation models. He argues that the top firms’ absence from most data sets has dragged industry wide return metrics down by approximately 400 basis points annually. Caplis also discusses how PivotalPath is combatting this data issue, the performance of hedge funds in 2025, and the mistakes many hedge funds make in communicating with institutional LPs that make up PivotalPath’s client base. Learn more about PivotalPath at https://www.pivotalpath.com/ Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod An investment in the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH) and VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX) may be subject to risks which include, among others, risks related to investing in the semiconductor industry, special risk considerations of investing in Taiwanese issuers, equity securities, small-, medium and large-capitalization companies, foreign securities, emerging market issuers, foreign currency, depositary receipts, issuer-specific changes, market, operational, index tracking, authorized participant concentration, new fund, no guarantee of active trading market, trading issues, passive management, fund shares trading, premium/discount and liquidity of fund shares, non-diversified, and index-related concentration risks, all of which may adversely affect the Fund. Small, medium and large-capitalization companies may be subject to elevated risks. Emerging market issuers and foreign securities may be subject to securities markets, political and economic, investment and repatriation restrictions, different rules and regulations, less publicly available financial information, foreign currency and exchange rates, operational and settlement, and corporate and securities laws risks. Investing involves substantial risk and high volatility, including possible loss of principal. An investor should consider the investment objective, risks, charges and expenses of a Fund carefully before investing. To obtain a prospectus and summary prospectus, which contain this and other information, call 800.826.2333 or visit vaneck.com. Please read the prospectus and summary prospectus carefully before investing. © Van Eck Securities Corporation, Distributor, a wholly owned subsidiary of Van Eck Associates Corporation

This episode of Monetary Matters is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHJack Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): http://vaneck.com/SMHXJack Citrini returns to Monetary Matters to review his “25 Trade Ideas” shared at year-end and to look forward to the next phase of AI. Citrini shares his views on the semiconductor industry, and explains why he thinks the next phase of outperformance could be in robotics. He also talks China, healthcare, and a particular stock that recently caught his interest. Recorded July 10, 2025. Follow Citrini on Twitter https://x.com/Citrini7 Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Citrini Research: https://www.citriniresearch.com/ Citrindex: https://www.citrindex.com/ Pieces discussed: “Robotics Update: Revealing Teradyne’s Vulcan Contract Win, Citrini’s China Supply Chain Tour, and Robotics Basket Winners”: https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/robotics-update “Thematic Primer: Artificial Intelligence, Phase 2”: https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/thematic-primer-artificial-intelligence Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

Today's episode is brought to you by Teucrium. Learn more at: https://bit.ly/4gfI0fe Oren Cass, chief economist at American Compass, joins Jack to make the case that globalization over the past 50 years has been bad for American workers, and that tariffs are needed in order to remedy longstanding imbalances within the global economy. Cass also shares his view on tariffs’ role within the broader American conservative movement. Recorded on June 25, 2025. Oren Cass’ book, “The New Conservatives: Restoring America's Commitment to Family, Community, and Industry”: https://www.amazon.com/New-Conservatives-Restoring-Commitment-Community/dp/B0DXD6CB8M/ref=sr_1_3?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Cg1AhfRv1IF_PQOZF9cf-rypEl5AfrYsisPBB9QXvHaosPwFIYLnD9WaHz50kbCfcY87loISitb1GKHjwNxWDw.IPnNIrxv3NdYL_dChBGywJ8HWT_pGd2RsPP8jt2J9T8&dib_tag=se&qid=1752157606&refinements=p_27%3AOren+Cass&s=books&sr=1-3 Follow Oren Cass on Twitter https://x.com/oren_cassFollow American Compass on Twitter https://x.com/AmerCompass Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

This Other People’s Money episode is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH): http://vaneck.com/SMHMax Learn more about the VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX): vaneck.com/SMHXMax Warren Pies, strategist and co-founder at 3Fourteen Research joins Other People’s Money to discuss how the market and economy are transitioning from a deflation to a debasement mindset. He explains why he’s bullish equities, expecting continued disinflation despite his longer-term debasement view, and expecting the Fed to cut 3 times before the end of the year while the economy avoids recession. Pies also looks back on his launching his first year as an ETF fund manager. Follow Warren on X: https://x.com/WarrenPies Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod An investment in the VanEck Semiconductor ETF (SMH) and VanEck Fabless Semiconductor ETF (SMHX) may be subject to risks which include, among others, risks related to investing in the semiconductor industry, special risk considerations of investing in Taiwanese issuers, equity securities, small-, medium and large-capitalization companies, foreign securities, emerging market issuers, foreign currency, depositary receipts, issuer-specific changes, market, operational, index tracking, authorized participant concentration, new fund, no guarantee of active trading market, trading issues, passive management, fund shares trading, premium/discount and liquidity of fund shares, non-diversified, and index-related concentration risks, all of which may adversely affect the Fund. Small, medium and large-capitalization companies may be subject to elevated risks. Emerging market issuers and foreign securities may be subject to securities markets, political and economic, investment and repatriation restrictions, different rules and regulations, less publicly available financial information, foreign currency and exchange rates, operational and settlement, and corporate and securities laws risks. Investing involves substantial risk and high volatility, including possible loss of principal. An investor should consider the investment objective, risks, charges and expenses of a Fund carefully before investing. To obtain a prospectus and summary prospectus, which contain this and other information, call 800.826.2333 or visit vaneck.com. Please read the prospectus and summary prospectus carefully before investing. © Van Eck Securities Corporation, Distributor, a wholly owned subsidiary of Van Eck Associates Corporation

Today's episode is brought to you by Teucrium. Learn more at: https://bit.ly/4gfI0fe Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO and chief strategist at QI Research, returns to Monetary Matters to update listeners on her read of the economic cycle and credit markets. She shares her thesis that the U.S. economy entered recession in early 2024, exited it, and is now entering another recession in a process similar to the double dip recession of 1980-1981. Recorded on June 26, 2025 Follow Teucrium on Twitter https://x.com/TeucriumETFsFollow Danielle DiMartino Booth on Twitter https://x.com/DiMartinoBooth Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

Sam Stovall, CFRA Research’s U.S. Equity Strategist joins Monetary Matters to explain his bullish (with a lowercase b) view on U.S. equities, and offers several overweights and underweights of CFRA Research across the stock market. Recorded on June 25, 2025.Sam Stovall’s book, “The Seven Rules of Wall Street”: https://www.amazon.com/Seven-Rules-Wall-Street-Crash-Tested/dp/0071615172 Follow Sam Stovall on Twitter https://x.com/StovallCFRA Follow Jack Farley on Twitter https://x.com/JackFarley96 Follow Monetary Matters on: Apple Podcast https://rb.gy/s5qfyh Spotify https://rb.gy/x56dx5 YouTube https://rb.gy/dpwxez

Abdul Al-Asaad, CEO and co-founder of Basic Capital, joins Other People’s Money to discuss how Basic Capital is revolutionizing access to leverage for everyday Americans. He argues that American’s have far too much access to credit for the wrong use, consumption, and far too little access for positive uses like investing in assets that could change their financial future. He discusses how Basic Capital’s term financing works, why most of the capital you receive through Basic Capital is invested in private credit, and why he believes that for many people inaction is a bigger risk than taking a leveraged bet on stocks and bonds. Learn more about Basic Capital: https://basiccapital.com Follow Abdul on X: https://x.com/Abude_al_asaad Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:52 Basic Capital Backlash 10:12 Leverage as General Purpose Tool 17:07 Risk in Leverage 20:13 Learning from the Kings of Leverage 25:42 Term Financing 31:46 Private Credit & S&P 500: How Basic Capital Invests 38:51 How Private Credit Works 44:44 Private Credit Hates Basic Capital 48:37 The Risk of Being Left Behind 56:02 Basic Capital Fees and 401k Investing 01:03:32 Building a New Credit Market