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Lunch on The Way
Lunch on The Way
69 episodes
6 hours ago
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Louise Wernich to talk about business strategy and leadership helping churches. Pastors have become increasingly suspicious of business practices distorting the purpose of the church, but Louise addresses how we can go too far in the other direction. Rev. Louise Wernich is an ordained minister in the Methodist Church of South Africa and has recently completed in MBA in New Zealand. She works at Laidlaw College within the post-graduate t...
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In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Louise Wernich to talk about business strategy and leadership helping churches. Pastors have become increasingly suspicious of business practices distorting the purpose of the church, but Louise addresses how we can go too far in the other direction. Rev. Louise Wernich is an ordained minister in the Methodist Church of South Africa and has recently completed in MBA in New Zealand. She works at Laidlaw College within the post-graduate t...
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Lunch on The Way
What churches get wrong about business leadership and strategy with Louise Wernich
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Louise Wernich to talk about business strategy and leadership helping churches. Pastors have become increasingly suspicious of business practices distorting the purpose of the church, but Louise addresses how we can go too far in the other direction. Rev. Louise Wernich is an ordained minister in the Methodist Church of South Africa and has recently completed in MBA in New Zealand. She works at Laidlaw College within the post-graduate t...
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1 week ago
1 hour 9 minutes

Lunch on The Way
The Unexpected Christian Origins of The Treaty of Waitangi with Sam Carpenter
In this conversation, Joey sits down with Treaty of Waitangi expert and scholar, Dr. Sam Carpenter. They talk about the Treaty of Waitangi history and how early missionaries were pivotal in its construction, translation, and acceptance. They also discuss how the current discourse around the Treaty needs a biblical worldview to be interpreted correctly. Sam teaches into Laidlaw’s Church History courses with a specialist focus on New Zealand religious and political history. He leads Te Rongopa...
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4 weeks ago
1 hour 14 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Solving Pentecostalism's PR Problem (you might change denominations) with Maja Whitaker
In this episode, Graeme and Joey interview Dr. Maja Whitaker about Pentecostalism—the good, great, and not so great. We look at what make Pentecostal churches tick, like their unique take on mission, their need to be culturally relevant, and their obsession with pragmatism and why they have a PR problem. Dr. Maja Whitaker is the Academic Dean at Laidlaw College; she oversees all programme development and delivery and contributes to the development and outworking of College strategy, with a f...
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1 month ago
54 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Sarah Penwarden | Why your experience of God & life matters, overcoming your past, embracing stories
In this episode, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Dr. Sarah Penwarden to discuss why our experience matters for theology and understanding God, why emotions matters, how to integrate experience and faith, how stories help us creating meaning, and why people receive counselling. Sarah Penwarden (Pākehā) has a doctorate in counselling, is a practicing counsellor, supervisor, and an Anglican priest. She teaches in the School of Theology (Laidlaw College) on a part-time basis. Her academic int...
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1 month ago
58 minutes

Lunch on The Way
How will AI shape Churches, Christians, and Society
On this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss 4 ways AI will change churches, Christians, and society. They don't predict the future as much as explain how the future might play out as AI in adopted by society and churches and people grapple with what it means to be human. Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated orga...
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2 months ago
55 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Rebroadcast | Pastoral Identity Crisis, Trends, and Insights with Dr. Karen Kemp
This is a rebroadcasted episode because it's worth posting again. This conversation with Dr. Karen Kemp about pastoral leadership, trends, and identity is still relevant, even though it was originally published 2 years ago! It's worth a full listen. Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
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3 months ago
1 hour 2 minutes

Lunch on The Way
BONUS Ep | The 4 Essential Elements to being FULLY Human, a conversation about a conversation
This is a bonus episode that was original recorded in July of 2024 as Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey prepared to lead a discussion in Tauranga on what it means to be fully human and how churches/pastor can help with that. 00:00 Teaser 02:12 Explaining on trip to Tauranga 04:55 Efficient causality vs being human 07:35 Schedule of event and questions to consider 09:30 Why collective wisdom matters 10:45 Importance of group dynamics 12:45 Why theological-provocation matters 16:40 Stories make us hu...
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4 months ago
47 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Dan Sheed | Drift No More, Praying as Invitational Posture, Central Vineyard Church
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Ps. Dan Sheed of Central Vineyard Church, Auckland. They discuss prayer as posture and invitation, Dan's book "Drift No More," and Dan's story of entering ministry and planting Central Vineyard. Dan Sheed is the founding co-leader of Central Vineyard Church in Tāmaki Makaurau, Auckland. The son of pastors, he was raised in the Vineyard Church movement, and has been on the journey with Christ as a pastor himself for many years. He planted Cen...
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4 months ago
1 hour 17 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Sam Burrows | Why Christianity is growing, prophetic imagination, meaning is back
In this episode, Graeme and Joey have a conversation with Sam Burrows about how meaning is back in the West, how the cultural left helped Christianity, the growing influence of the right in politics, what biblical critical theory is, and much more! Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
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4 months ago
54 minutes

Lunch on The Way
The Tyranny of Metrics, How to Measure Spiritual Growth, We Focus on What We Measure
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss how there are many things we cannot quantifiably measure in the church and that we need to use judgement when consulting numbers. Much of their think is derived from "The Tyranny of Metrics" by Jerry Muller. 00:00 Teaser 02:20 Introduction 4:00 Gen Z Christians are Growing | Bible Society UK 18:10 Political Will is Gone 20:00 The Tyranny of Metrics 24:50 Growth through Proximity to Christ 28:00 Tell Stories not Measure Stories 30:00 What we easil...
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5 months ago
57 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Misunderstanding church & spiritual growth, you are a priest, people knowing you're Christian
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey clarify and elaborate on their conversation with Andrew Root. The conversation delves into the role of Christians in society, emphasizing the importance of identifying oneself as a Christian in various settings. Joey and Graeme discuss the concept of being a "royal priesthood," traversing two worlds, and the need for Christians to be visible and present in their communities. They explore the idea of evangelism as consolation, particularly in moments of de...
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5 months ago
57 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Andrew Root | Stabilising Discipleship and Churches, Prayer as Key Competency, Despair & Evangelism
In this episode, Graeme and Joey have a brilliant conversation with Dr Andrew Root as they discuss a humanising approach to evangelism, the digital space and discipleship, what the key competency of a pastor should be, growth as modernity's stabiliser, and much more! Andrew Root, PhD (Princeton Theological Seminary) is the Carrie Olson Baalson Professor of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther Seminary. He is most recently the author of Evangelism in an Age of Despair and the six volume Minist...
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6 months ago
1 hour 17 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Rev. Frank Ritchie | People Want Irrelevant Churches, Rediscovering Tradition, Culture and Media
In this episode of Lunch on The Way, Rev. Frank Ritchie discusses how places and spaces of worship hold our spirituality when we can't muster it up, his various experiences with different religions and expressions of the Christian faith, how and why Holy Communion is so important for the church, why wearing a clerical collar matters for pastors, how the media are open to Christianity, and why irrelevant churches are paradoxically relevant. Frank is an ordained minister in the Wesleyan Method...
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6 months ago
1 hour

Lunch on The Way
Ministry and its Irresistible Call, People Matter More Than ... with Louise Wernich
Graeme and Joey welcome Louise to the podcast and discuss Louise's journey into ministry and her families immigration to New Zealand from South Africa, the impact of COVID on the South African church and her family, how a call to ministry can't be ignored, Graeme's call into ministry, reflections on pastoring more than 20 decades, how business-church forgets about the people (ironically), and much more. 00:00 Teaser 1:00 Introduction 03:39 Louise's Journey into Ministry, and Family 17:33 COV...
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7 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Visited a NEW Mormon Temple, Architecture is Theology, Reflecting on Mark Sayers Convo
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss Joey's experience at Auckland's new Mormon Temple, how architecture reveals a church's/religion's theology, the craziness of the world, how Canada and US relations is a microcosm of the disruption the world will feel, and much more. Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated...
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7 months ago
1 hour 7 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Mark Sayers | Future Predictions, The Worlds Changed, America's Chaos, Being a Pillar is Dangerous
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Mark Sayers and discuss what Mark learned about ministry during the Melbourne lockdowns, why embodied ministry matters so much, how proceduralism has blunted the church's mission, how the church needs to be a pillar rather than a platform in the world, how everything is politically changing in the world, transcendence and immanence, what is means to be human, and how the Trump foreign policy will change Australia and New Zealand. Mark Sayer...
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8 months ago
1 hour 14 minutes

Lunch on The Way
AJ Thomas | Is Preaching a Sacrament? Is Jesus Really in the Eucharist?
In this episode, Joey and Graeme interview AJ Thomas, who is one of the teaching and preaching pastors at Kings Church in New Brunswick, Canada. He also leads the Atlantic Kingdom Alliance which aims to bring together pastors and ministry leader from diverse theological and denominational background for the advancement of the gospel. They discussed his journey from youth ministry to church planting and his current role at King's Church, the importance of preaching as a sacramental act (distin...
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8 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes

Lunch on The Way
Deconstructing Faith, Truth as Relationship, Trusting your Gut (whole over parts)
In this conversation the guys explores the concept of faith deconstruction and truth, emphasizing the importance of a holistic view of life. Many people deconstruct not Christianity but specific expressions or packaged forms of it, often driven by personal experiences and dissatisfaction with rigid, mechanistic approaches. They highlight the need for a synthesized understanding of truth that includes emotions and relationships, advocating for a more humble and open approach to truth that trus...
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9 months ago
54 minutes

Lunch on The Way
CELEBRATING 50 EPs, Christmas Issues, Traditions Matter, Season 4 Expectations
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington. The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
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10 months ago
56 minutes

Lunch on The Way
A fully alive human is the glory of God, is the church helping us be more/less human?
This week Graeme, Jonathan, and Joey discussed what it means to be human and how the church is the place that helps people become fully alive in Christ. This conversation centres on a Saint Irenaeus quote, "the glory of God is a human being fully alive." We discuss the importance of balancing transcendence, materiality, relationships, and freedom, arguing that modern society's overemphasis on materiality and disembodiment has led to a spiritual void. The Lord's Prayer is highlighted as embody...
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11 months ago
48 minutes

Lunch on The Way
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Louise Wernich to talk about business strategy and leadership helping churches. Pastors have become increasingly suspicious of business practices distorting the purpose of the church, but Louise addresses how we can go too far in the other direction. Rev. Louise Wernich is an ordained minister in the Methodist Church of South Africa and has recently completed in MBA in New Zealand. She works at Laidlaw College within the post-graduate t...