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Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast
25 episodes
1 week ago
A podcast more focused on industrial fire departments and industrial hazmat response. From discussing interesting calls, to talking about equipment, to touching on distinctly corporate aspects of the job, the Industrial Strength team delves into different aspects of working within an industrial hazmat team. Through these podcasts the team endeavors to shed more light on what’s often an overlooked part of the public safety sector for other industry insiders as well as visitors from municipal teams.
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A podcast more focused on industrial fire departments and industrial hazmat response. From discussing interesting calls, to talking about equipment, to touching on distinctly corporate aspects of the job, the Industrial Strength team delves into different aspects of working within an industrial hazmat team. Through these podcasts the team endeavors to shed more light on what’s often an overlooked part of the public safety sector for other industry insiders as well as visitors from municipal teams.
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Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 25: Triple Threat Part II
Episode OverviewIn this second part of the "Triple Threat Calls" series, hosts Steve, Jeff, and Randy dive into the final and arguably most hazardous scenario of a multi-chemical response: a compromised set of drums containing trichloroacetyl chloride. With their signature humor and field expertise, the team recounts the risks, strategies, and technical decisions they faced during this particularly challenging hazmat call.Segment Breakdown & Timestamps0:29 – 1:29 | Intro and Hosts Check-In• Casual banter between Steve, Jeff, and Randy• Recap of previous episode's covered chemicals: TMP and Pyridine1:30 – 3:11 | Incident Context• Arrival to find not one but three simultaneous hazmat scenarios• Introduction of DIBAL (Diisobutylaluminum Hydride) as a nearby threat3:12 – 4:28 | Hazard Overview• Discussion of DIBAL's moisture sensitivity and explosive potential• Identification of the actual leaking substance: trichloroacetyl chloride4:29 – 6:13 | Drum Condition and Visual Assessment• Blistering paint, bottom chime leaks, and compromised integrity• Image references (top/bottom of drums, seal cap damage)6:14 – 9:44 | Response Strategy & Safety Concerns• Decision to overpack all six damaged drums• Concerns over drum stability and risk of rupture during movement• DIBAL determined to be in a returned (mostly empty) cylinder9:45 – 11:30 | PPE and Entry Plan• Full Level B suits with SCBAs• Pre-staging of overpacks and spill pallets11:41 – 16:17 | Tactical Execution• Forklift and pallet jack usage• Real-time adjustments due to equipment constraints• Step-by-step drum relocation and overpacking16:18 – 19:48 | Air Supply and Entry Team Management• 47-minute on-air operation• Efficient team handoff and vermiculite application19:49 – 24:24 | Tools of the Trade• Deep dive into spill containment pallets and vermiculite• Safety advantages and absorbency properties24:25 – 28:04 | SCBA Usage and Team Advantages• Benefits of 60-minute bottles vs. standard• Reduced team fatigue and fewer rotations28:05 – 30:35 | Staffing Strengths and Mutual Aid• Importance of having a large, well-trained team• Comparison with municipal hazmat capabilities30:36 – 33:32 | Wrap-Up and Future Plans• Reflection on lessons learned and tools used• Tease for next episode featuring a special guest and mini-series on storage container failures
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1 week ago
33 minutes 37 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 24: Triple Threat
Episode OverviewIn this action-packed episode of Pirate Talk, the Hazmat Hardware crew—Steve, Jeff, and Randy—recount one of their most intense days on the job. What began as a single call turned into a triple-threat scenario, all within one shift. With humor, technical insight, and a few shots to celebrate a birthday, the team breaks down a multi-incident response involving trimethyl phosphate, pyridine, and more. It’s an episode full of real-world hazmat experience, operational insights, and the kind of behind-the-scenes chatter only this team can deliver. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps* (0:31 – 2:30) | Intro & Birthday ShotsThe team kicks off with humor, intros, and shots to celebrate a birthday. Pirate talk sneaks in early.* (2:46 – 3:56) | Tonight's Topic: Triple ThreatsIntroduction to the episode’s theme—three separate hazmat events handled in one shift. Discussing team capacity and mutual aid.* (3:57 – 5:00) | The Triple Incident DayContext: three calls in a single 8-hour shift, with all events unfolding in the same location.* (5:13 – 10:48) | Incident #1: TMP (Trimethyl Phosphate) DrumsOverview of response to leaking TMP drums.Decon strategy, PPE decisions, and storage protocols.Use of rags and damp cloths for cleanup, detailed methodology, and discussion on safety vs. operational efficiency.* (10:49 – 15:31) | Waste Handling & Suit JustificationPPE breakdown: why Level B suits were used from the start.Practical reasons for choosing higher PPE due to evolving scenarios.* (15:49 – 24:12) | Incident #2: Pyridine Odor ComplaintStrong odor reported during unloading.Detailed drum inspection protocol: plastic wrap removal, bung checks, dust cap discussion, tool use.Lessons on over-tightening and how to avoid long-term damage.* (24:13 – 27:05) | PPE & Metering DecisionsWhy meter detection wasn’t used upfront.Justification to the chief and real-world experience weighed against SOPs.* (27:06 – 29:46) | Wrapping Up & ReflectionSummary of learnings and decision-making under pressure.Leadership trust and in-field autonomy.* (29:47 – 31:25) | Teaser for Part 2 + Call to ActionThe most dangerous and dramatic part of the day is saved for the next episode.Cliffhanger: “butt-pucker” imagery and a preview of photos to come.Listener feedback and contact info. Key Moments & Quotes* “We showed up for one [call] and took on three.”* “This is a room for problem children drums… like prison. Pulled out of Gen Pop, put in isolation.”* “Donkey kicks come later.”* “Every once in a while, a blind squirrel finds a nut.”
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3 weeks ago
31 minutes 28 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 23: No, Not Water
Episode Overview:In this unique episode, the Industrial Strength Podcast team veers off the typical "bread and butter" hazmat call to explore non-water-based fire suppression methods, inspired by a curious phone call involving acetic acid. From historical oddities like carbon tet hand grenades to modern clean agent systems like Halon and Sapphire, the crew dives into chemical science, suppression theory, and practical use cases for industrial and domestic applications. Segment Breakdown with Timestamps:(0:32 - 2:09) – Intro & Inspiration* Technical issues kick off the episode.* A surprising call from Uncle Chris sparks the topic: “Can acetic acid fight fire?”(2:10 - 8:06) – Acetic Acid Decomposition & Fire Suppression* Chemistry of acetic acid at different temps.* At low temps: CO₂ production = fire suppression.* At high temps: Flammable byproducts = fire fuel.* Debates whether it could be used in early-stage fires.(8:06 - 12:18) – Carbon Tetrachloride Hand Grenades* A flashback to historical firefighting tech.* Glass grenades filled with carbon tet to smother flames.* Why it was banned: Toxicity, phosgene production, and ozone depletion.(13:46 - 17:50) – Modern Clean Agents: Halon Systems* Halon 1301/1211 for Class A, B, and C fires.* Fast-acting, residue-free, electronics-safe.* Banned for ozone depletion (Montreal Protocol), but still used in aviation/military.(17:50 - 22:30) – Sapphire Systems: Halon’s Eco-Friendly Cousin* Uses Novec 1230 fluid: clean, people-safe, zero ozone impact.* Works in under 10 seconds, suitable for data centers, hospitals, clean rooms.* Not suitable for open/outdoor or high-ventilation areas.(24:07 - 25:55) – Fire Suppression Balls* Modern, throwable powder-based suppression devices.* Explode on heat contact, releasing fire suppressant.* Used in Europe, ideal for homes, warehouses, kitchens.(25:56 - 35:26) – Practical Applications & Final Thoughts* Comparisons drawn to fire extinguishers—but throwable and automatic.* Potential for use in hard-to-access or high-risk zones.* Wrapping up with a humorous struggle through technical glitches and comms failures. Resources & References:* Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer: https://ozone.unep.org (https://ozone.unep.org/)* Novec 1230 Fluid (Sapphire System Agent): https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b00024345/ (https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b00024345/)* History of Carbon Tet Fire Grenades: https://www.firefightermuseum.com (https://www.firefightermuseum.com/)
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1 month ago
35 minutes 30 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 22: It’s Smoke... Or Is It?
Episode OverviewIn this kickoff to a new mini-series on "First Calls," the team revisits a perplexing chemical incident involving a mysterious white cloud inside a chemical operations building. What starts as a routine product workup turns into an emergency response puzzle involving volatile chemical reactions, PPE decisions, and an operator who noped out mid-incident.Through firsthand storytelling and expert banter, Steve, Randy, and Jeff dive deep into what happened, how they assessed the situation, and what they’d do differently in hindsight. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps(0:30 – 1:36) Introductions Meet the hosts – experienced hazmat technicians and specialists from industrial backgrounds.(1:36 – 2:54) Setting the Scene Steve introduces the incident: a white cloud appears during a routine process, prompting ERT involvement.(2:54 – 4:23) Initial Assessment & Suspect Chemicals The team identifies chemicals involved – including chlorine, butyl lithium, THF, EVE, TFAA, and TEA – and starts evaluating possible reactions.(4:23 – 6:12) Layout & Room Design Details about the process room design – including reinforced walls and blowout sections – and its implications for containment and safety.(6:12 – 9:02) Chemical Reactions & Smoke Source Theory Randy provides insight into how TFAA and TEA may have reacted in a humid environment, creating an acid-base reaction and generating white smoke.(9:02 – 11:13) Eyewitness Vanishes A key operator flees the scene as the night shift arrives, leaving the ERT without firsthand information about what happened.(11:13 – 13:13) Mitigation Strategy Without a clear cause, the team decides to finish charging the remaining TFAA to remove a variable and stabilize the situation.(13:13 – 16:19) PPE Selection & Suit Debate A debate on Level A vs. Level B protection, and the real-world PPE used by operations vs. emergency response.(16:19 – 20:23) Steve’s First Call – In the Hot Seat Steve describes his PPE during this, his very first call, and how he was suited up in a hybrid setup of air jacket and waders.(20:23 – 21:36) Final Observations & Discovery After the smoke dissipates, the root cause is revealed: a leaky manway gasket venting vapors into the room.(21:36 – 25:06) Hypothetical Entry & Decon Talk The crew discusses how they’d handle an emergency entry: meters to bring (PID, pH paper, colorimetric tubes) and decon procedures (water vs. sodium bicarbonate).(25:06 – 26:14) Communication Failures A previous shift had noticed similar smoke events multiple times… and never reported it.(26:14 – 28:32) Wrap-up & Teasers Banters, jokes, and what’s coming next – fire extinguishing with chemicals! Chemicals Discussed* TFAA (Trifluoroacetic Anhydride) – Hygroscopic and highly reactive with water, produces acids.* TEA (Triethylamine) – A strong base, highly reactive with acids.* Butyl Lithium, THF, EVE – Additional hazardous players.* Reaction Suspected: Acid-base interaction accelerated by humidity. Email us at hazmetharder@gmail.com Stay tuned for the next episode: “Fighting Fire With... Chemicals?”And as always... Hazmat harder.
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1 month ago
28 minutes 34 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 21: Radiation With Sean
Episode OverviewIn this special episode of Hazmat Harder, the crew welcomes their first-ever guest: Sean, a technical specialist with 8+ years working at a radioactive materials facility. Together, Steve, Jeff, and Randy dive into the realities of radiological emergency response, breaking down myths, sharing field experiences, and exploring the core protective principles of time, distance, and shielding.Listeners get a rare insider look at how the nuclear industry manages contamination, PPE, decontamination, and monitoring — plus a few eye-opening stories about unexpected drum reactions and the surprisingly handy role of scrubbing bubbles.Segment Breakdown with Timestamps• (0:30 – 2:18) – Introductions & Guest RevealMeet Sean, the show’s first guest, who brings radiological expertise to the podcast.• (2:19 – 4:30) – The Bulging Drum IncidentSean recounts a radioactive waste drum mishap caused by an exothermic reaction.• (4:31 – 10:53) – PPE & Response for Radiological IncidentsHow Tyvek suits, respirators, and layered protection simplify radiation response compared to chemical hazards.• (10:53 – 15:20) – Radiation Monitoring & Whole-Body ChecksTools of the trade: electronic dosimeters, frisk stations, and body monitors.• (15:20 – 19:16) – Radiation is InvisibleDebunking the "radioactive glow" myth and discussing invisible hazards.• (19:16 – 23:18) – Containment, Overpacks & ShieldingHandling compromised drums, using overpacks, and deploying reusable lead blankets.• (23:18 – 28:31) – Cleaning & DecontaminationSurprising decon solutions — from industrial cleaners to household products like scrubbing bubbles.• (28:34 – 30:53) – Fire Service ConsiderationsWhat turnout gear can (and can’t) do against radiation, and why water isn’t always the answer.• (30:53 – 32:18) – Water Management & Waste DisposalCapturing, treating, and disposing of contaminated water after decon.• (32:18 – 35:49) – Wrap-Up & Listener Q&A InvitationClosing thoughts, Sean’s willingness to field listener radiation questions, and next week’s teaser on unintended chemical mixtures.Guest InformationSean – Technical Specialist at a radioactive materials facility• 8+ years of radiological safety and emergency response experience• Focused on waste management, monitoring, and contamination control
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2 months ago
35 minutes 53 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 20: Changes to 1910.156
Episode OverviewIn this episode of the Industrial Strength Podcast, hosts Steve, Jeff, and Randy return to dive deep into the proposed updates to OSHA’s 1910.156 standard. Unlike last week's discussion on NFPA 470, this week focuses on how the proposed transformation of the fire brigade standard into a comprehensive emergency response standard could affect all emergency response units—from hazmat and fire to EMS and technical rescue.With their typical blend of expertise, humor, and real-world insights, the team unpacks the implications of these changes, what they mean for industrial and municipal teams, and how organizations can prepare. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps* 00:37 – 01:20 | Welcome & RecapHosts introduce themselves and briefly recap the previous episode’s focus on NFPA 470.* 01:20 – 03:26 | Introduction to OSHA 1910.156 Proposed ChangesOverview of how OSHA is proposing a major overhaul, shifting from a fire brigade focus to a broader emergency response standard.Early discussion on how NFPA standards are being incorporated.* 03:27 – 06:28 | Expanded Scope of the StandardNew inclusion of medical teams, confined space, technical rescue, and volunteer brigades.Debate on why OSHA is initiating this change now.* 06:29 – 09:33 | Key Changes: From Industrial to UniversalImpacts of merging industrial and municipal standards.Introduction of broader inclusivity across emergency services.* 09:34 – 13:05 | Emergency Response Program RequirementsIntroduction of required plans tailored to facility-specific hazards.Challenges for small departments to implement pre-planning.* 13:06 – 16:07 | SOPs and Real-World LimitationsThe difficulty of writing meaningful SOPs for non-standard emergencies.Tension between real-world fieldwork and regulatory compliance.* 16:08 – 23:34 | Enhanced Medical SurveillanceBreakdown of medical exam mandates and their implications.Costs, scheduling, and new requirements for EMS teams.* 23:35 – 27:14 | Behavioral Health & Fitness StandardsIntroduction of behavioral health and physical fitness programs.Debate over fitness-for-duty standards and department size challenges.* 27:15 – 30:29 | Documentation and Reporting RequirementsNew mandates for maintaining detailed training, exposure, and medical records.Discussion of the possible duration and format of required records.* 30:30 – 34:31 | Implementation Timeline & Final ThoughtsPublic comment period is over; awaiting OSHA's rollout.Anticipation of a lengthy grace period and concerns for small departments.* 34:32 – 35:42 | Teaser for Next Episode & Contact InfoTeaser for upcoming guest and Jeff’s favorite topic: bulging drums.Listener contact info: hazmatharder@gmail.com (mailto:hasmetharder@gmail.com)
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2 months ago
35 minutes 48 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 19: NFPA 470
Episode OverviewIn this episode of Industrial Strength Hazmat, Jeff, Randy, and Steve dive into the significant updates brought by NFPA 470, which consolidates and replaces NFPA 472 and 1072. With their signature banter and practical insight, they unpack what these changes mean for hazmat response teams, especially those in industrial environments. From the evolving role of specialists to new requirements for Incident Commanders (ICs), the team explores how these standards reshape training, qualifications, and inter-agency coordination. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps00:00 – Tech Glitches & Canadian Humor* A rocky start, playful banter about Canada and celebrities like Jim Carrey and Alex Trebek02:55 – Meet the Hosts* Jeff, Randy, and Steve introduce themselves and their backgrounds in hazmat03:42 – What Is NFPA 470?* Explanation of the new consolidated standard* Importance of knowing how NFPA and OSHA standards interact05:06 – Confidence and Competency in Hazmat Calls* The difference between experienced teams and teams with fewer reps* Importance of proper training and readiness06:41 – Levels of Hazmat Responders* Awareness, Operations, Technician, and Specialist* Defensive vs. offensive roles in hazmat response08:23 – Evolution of the Specialist Role* How NFPA 470 changes the scope of the "Specialist" designation* Introduction of Specialist A, B, C—container, chemical, and liaison roles* Increased relevance for SMEs (Subject Matter Experts)13:29 – Challenges in Tracking Specialist Qualifications* Need for better accountability and tracking systems* Specialist roles must now be more clearly defined and documented15:39 – JPRs (Job Performance Requirements) & Documentation* Specialists writing and maintaining JPRs* Importance of clear, vetted qualification documents for broader team access17:27 – Continuous Improvement in the Fire Service* Revising and improving standards through feedback—not always tragedy* Positive evolution of the hazmat profession18:12 – IC Role Updates* New training hour requirements and specific ICS classes for Incident Commanders* Appendix in NFPA 470 offers structured JPRs for IC roles22:06 – The Importance of Training Records* Ensuring consistent qualifications across multi-agency incidents* Potential for transferable certifications between industrial and municipal teams24:29 – Technology and Equipment Gaps* How differing tools (like meters) create deficiencies between teams* The case for standardized taskbooks and equipment training27:22 – Final Thoughts* Positive reception of NFPA 470 changes* Hope for future improvements in documentation and database systems28:34 – What’s Coming Next?* Sneak peek into the next episode: comparing NFPA 470 with OSHA standards28:55 – Listener Engagement* Submit questions or episode ideas via hazmatharder@gmail.com Listener EngagementGot questions, feedback, or ideas for future topics? Email the team at:hazmatharder@gmail.com Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and email us your thoughts!
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3 months ago
29 minutes 32 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 18: Peroxide Forming Chemicals: Part 3 (Case Studies & Chaos)
Episode OverviewIn this thrilling conclusion to the three-part series on peroxide-forming chemicals, hosts Jeff, Steve, and Randy dive into several real-world case studies highlighting the dangers of mishandling these volatile substances. With a mix of expert analysis, storytelling, humor, and a bit of unexpected technical chaos, they underscore the importance of vigilance in industrial and laboratory safety. From explosive lab incidents to a near-IED discovery in an industrial lab, this episode offers critical lessons for hazmat professionals and industrial safety teams.Segment Breakdown & Timestamps[0:29] – Introduction and Recap• Jeff introduces Part 3 of the peroxide series.• Recap of Parts 1 & 2, covering peroxide formers, hazards, and detection.[3:00] – Case Study #1: 2001 Evadale, Texas Paper Mill Explosion• Explosion caused by hydrogen peroxide reacting with caustic soda.• Resulted in extensive property damage and two injuries.• Discussion of heat and oxygen generation in chemical reactions.[10:15] – Case Study #2: 2006 UC Berkeley Lab Explosion• An undergrad injured due to peroxide crystals formed during solvent distillation.• Solvent (THF) was unstabilized; highlights importance of using inhibitors.[20:00] – Internet & Audio Failures (Blooper Segment)• Hosts experience hilarious technical difficulties and mic dropouts.• Unfiltered banter and outtakes lighten the mood.[27:40] – Case Study #3: 2017 University of Minnesota Waste Explosion• Technician detonates residue while recycling a glass bottle.• Explosion powerful enough to destroy a cart and damage adjacent rooms.[34:45] – Case Study #4: 2012 Self-Reported TATP Formation• Individual discovers TATP crystals in a decade-old IPA bottle.• ATF confirms peroxide crystals can form over time with minimal conditions.[44:10] – Follow-Up on Two Similar ATF Cases• Explosions linked to old IPA containers in office and lab environments.• Discussion on the forgotten dangers of long-term chemical storage.[50:20] – Case Study #5: Personal On-Site Incident• Discovery of crystallized THF in a neglected lab prompts evacuation.• Team consults with external bomb expert for safe removal and disposal.[1:00:00] – Wrap-Up & Teaser for Next Episode• Tease of next episode’s topic: long-term sensitizing chemical exposure.• Call to listeners to email stories and feedback.Got a hazmat horror story or a weird chemical tale? Email the team at hazmatharder@gmail.com
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3 months ago
1 hour 19 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 17: Code Red: Bromine Part 2
Episode OverviewIn Part 2 of their deep dive into peroxide-forming chemicals (PFCs), the Industrial Strength team—Jeff, Steve, and Randy—shift focus from the chemistry to the practical. This episode explores visual inspections, safe handling, and field testing methods for detecting peroxide buildup in lab and industrial environments. The crew also sets the stage for an upcoming third part packed with explosive case studies. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps00:29 – 01:42 | Intro & Podcast History Reintroducing the topic with the signature humor—and realizing this is actually their third multi-part episode.01:42 – 04:44 | Visual Inspection Basics Why brown bottles are used, and what peroxide crystal formations might look like—from cotton candy wisps to golf ball-sized ice-like solids.04:44 – 06:30 | Where to Check for Solids Learn about common formation areas: bottle bottoms, cap threads, and edges—especially after opening and evaporative exposure.06:30 – 07:58 | THF Case Study Intro Previewing a bottle of THF with visible white peroxide solids—described as an “improvised explosive device.”07:59 – 13:45 | Examples of Crystals & Testing Limits Detailed visual indicators and why peroxide levels over 80 ppm can be hazardous—even lower for Class A chemicals.13:45 – 15:01 | Peroxide Testing Tools Quick reviews of:* KI paper (yes/no oxidizer test)* Hydrogen peroxide test strips (for ppm levels)* Key tips on test strip types and proper storage.15:05 – 16:42 | Recent Real-World Inspection Jeff recounts a recent facility event where six 2-year-old bottles of peroxide formers were safely inspected and tested with zero detections.16:43 – 21:20 | What If Peroxides Are Present? Neutralization methods: sodium metabisulfite, sodium bisulfite, iron(II) sulfate, and dilution tactics to lower concentration for safe handling.21:23 – 23:39 | Storage, Use, and Neutralization Refresher Class A peroxides and why they’re rarely seen outside labs. Importance of planning, risk assessment, and not relying on “Shaky Joe” for delicate tasks.23:41 – 25:25 | Tease for Part 3 Upcoming episode will feature case studies where things went very wrong. Stay tuned for real incident breakdowns and lessons learned. Key Moments & Quotes* "Peroxide solids turn a bottle of solvent into an IED."* "Check the cap threads—they dry out fast and that's where solids often start."* "80 ppm is the rule of thumb, but even 20 ppm in Class A formers can be dangerous."* "Shaky Joe does not handle the peroxide containers."
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4 months ago
25 minutes 29 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 16: Peroxide Problems Part 1: Know Your Chemistry
Episode OverviewIn Part 1 of this two-part peroxide special, the Industrial Strength Podcast crew—Jeff, Randy, and Steve—unpack the explosive truth about peroxide-forming chemicals (PFCs). They break down what these substances are, the risks they pose in both lab and industrial environments, and how to identify and manage them safely. With real-life humor and technical depth, this episode is essential listening for hazmat professionals, lab managers, and safety geeks alike. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps00:33 – 01:34 | Offbeat Intro & Host IntrosClassic chaotic humor as Jeff fumbles through tech issues and introduces co-hosts Randy and Steve.01:35 – 03:26 | What Are Peroxide-Forming Chemicals?Overview of peroxide-formers—compounds that can form explosive peroxide crystals over time, like diethyl ether and THF.03:27 – 04:57 | Peroxides DefinedExplaining the "OO" bond and why these chemicals are dangerously sensitive to heat, shock, and light.04:59 – 06:49 | Four Key Factors for Peroxide FormationOxygen, time, heat/concentration, and light are all critical ingredients in this hazardous chemistry.07:15 – 09:19 | Inhibitors Like BHTThe role of BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene) in preventing peroxide buildup—and how it’s also used in food!09:30 – 14:50 | Peroxide Classes A through DBreaking down the four classes:* Class A – Spontaneously form peroxides.* Class B – Need external energy.* Class C – React dangerously when peroxides are present.* Class D – Possibly form peroxides, but not well understood.14:51 – 16:26 | Proper Storage & Prevention TipsCool, dry, sealed storage and avoiding wood pallets for bulk containers.16:26 – 21:01 | Visual Hazard AnalysisHow to evaluate suspicious containers and what visual clues to look for—like crust formation or pressurized distortion.21:02 – 24:52 | How Hazmat Teams Should Handle Suspect ContainersDetailed guidance on how and when to safely transport, inspect, or dispose of potentially dangerous materials.24:53 – 27:11 | Storage Time Limits by Class* Class A: 3 months* Class B/D: 12 months* Class C (inhibited): 12 months* Class C (uninhibited): 24 hours (yes, hours!)27:12 – 30:14 | Wrap-Up and Tease for Part 2Previewing Part 2, which will feature testing methods, visuals of peroxide solids, and real-world case studies. Key Moments & Quotes* "It contains all the materials to do it themselves. Class A is the most dangerous."* "Don’t move the container until a full hazard assessment is done. Period."* "Slow and observant wins the race—no Leroy Jenkins allowed on peroxide calls."* "That UV light... it's magic."
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4 months ago
30 minutes 16 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 15: Code Red: Bromine
Episode OverviewIn this enlightening and engaging episode, hosts Jeff, Steve, and Randy dive deep into the hazardous world of bromine—a volatile, reddish-brown chemical with significant industrial use and serious safety concerns. From bromine’s chemical properties to real-world incidents involving its release, this episode is both a technical resource and a candid behind-the-scenes look at the realities of industrial hazmat response. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps00:32 – 01:18 | Introduction & Host IntrosMeet your hosts: Jeff (20-year fire service vet), Steve (industrial response expert), and Randy (17-year hazmat specialist).01:20 – 02:19 | What Is Bromine?Learn what makes bromine unique—its appearance, volatility, and uses.02:19 – 03:42 | Industrial Applications & Chemical InteractionsDiscussion on bromine’s diverse uses, especially in water treatment and mercury emissions control.03:43 – 05:05 | Health Hazards & Exposure LimitsCovering fatal exposure risks, IDLH comparisons with chlorine, and regulatory exposure limits.05:36 – 08:34 | Personal Anecdotes & Work ConditionsHumorous banter on EHS, exposure monitoring, and real-world work shifts.09:59 – 11:48 | Bromine Reactions with WaterExploring bromine's reactive byproducts, such as HOBr and HBr, and their uses in disinfection.12:09 – 13:15 | Neutralization TechniquesUsing sodium bisulfite and how bromine behaves when neutralized.13:27 – 14:55 | Equipment Compatibility & Video DemoVideo of bromine reacting with aluminum—visually striking and informative.15:13 – 20:07 | Real-Life Bromine IncidentsDetailed recounting of significant bromine leaks in Russia (2011) and Conyers, Georgia (2024).20:08 – 24:26 | Site Handling Practices & MonitorsInsight into on-site bromine management, container types, and monitoring tools like the Draeger 7000.24:26 – 30:00 | PPE and Environmental ModificationsAdjusting PPE levels and using fans and water sprays to alter the work environment safely.30:04 – 32:24 | Leak Incident ResponseStep-by-step breakdown of a bromine leak mitigation—detectors, dry-links, pig pads, and gaskets.32:25 – 33:17 | Wrapping Up & Next Episode TeaseContact info, shoutouts, and a preview of next episode’s topic: peroxide dangers. Key Moments & Quotes* "We're going to talk about that code red... and not Mountain Dew."* "Bromine is still very, very hazardous—fatal if inhaled, swallowed, or absorbed through skin."* "We changed the environment to avoid Level A PPE in the summer—fans and water sprays made all the difference."* "Only a few drops of bromine can set off multiple area alarms."
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5 months ago
33 minutes 19 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 14: Rail Car Disasters: East Palestine & Lac-Mégantic
Episode Overview:In this special deep-dive episode, Jeff, Randy, and Steve analyze two of the most catastrophic rail car incidents in recent history: the Lac-Mégantic crude oil derailment in Quebec and the East Palestine, Ohio vinyl chloride disaster. The crew explores what went wrong, what lessons apply to industrial emergency response teams, and how these events highlight the critical need for proactive safety planning, cross-agency collaboration, and realistic training for large-scale hazmat emergencies. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps:00:00 – Introductions & Episode Setup* Continuing the rail car discussion from last week by zooming in on real-world case studies.04:30 – Incident 1: Lac-Mégantic, Quebec (2013)* Crude oil derailment destroyed the downtown area, killing 47 people.* Key issues: deferred maintenance, outdated DOT-111 tank cars, inadequate braking.11:25 – Technical Breakdown of the Lac-Mégantic Failure* Engine fire led to loss of air braking system.* Insufficient handbrakes set; train rolled into town and exploded.17:15 – Incident 2: East Palestine, Ohio (2023)* Vinyl chloride spill led to a controversial emergency flare-off.* No deaths but major environmental and health concerns.22:45 – Root Causes of East Palestine* Defective wheel bearing and conventional braking systems.* Regulatory loopholes allowed transport of dangerous materials under less scrutiny.29:30 – Emergency Response & Preparedness Gaps* Both incidents exposed the unpreparedness of local responders.* Emphasis on regional response collaboration and limitations of local fire departments.36:40 – The Decision to Flare Vinyl Chloride* Analysis of the controversial flare-off: pros, cons, and long-term fallout.* Discussion on the chemical risks: phosgene production, explosive risk, environmental toll.45:20 – Environmental Impact & Community Trust* Water, soil, and air contamination.* Long-term health concerns and psychological toll on residents.51:00 – Takeaways for Industrial Hazmat Teams* Importance of site-specific training, mutual aid partnerships, and gear readiness.* Real-world gear examples: railcar training, chlorine C-kits, plug-and-patch systems.58:05 – Industrial Collaboration & Moving Forward* Encouraging more cooperation among industrial teams, not just municipalities.* Proactive planning, cross-agency drills, and embracing new technology.01:04:20 – Broader Lessons and Final Thoughts* Don’t rely on being reactive—push for prevention and policy changes.* Importance of community communication and regulatory updates.01:09:00 – Listener Call-to-Action & Tease for Next Episode* Email: hasmetharder@gmail.com (mailto:hasmetharder@gmail.com)* Next up: “Code Red” – hinting at a serious and high-priority chemical. Have thoughts or similar stories? Email hasmetharder@gmail.com or comment on their YouTube channel. Next episode teaser: “Code Red” – what does it mean when things go from routine to critical in seconds?
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5 months ago
28 minutes 51 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 13: Rail Car Incidents: Hazards, Response, and Lessons Learned
Episode Overview:In this episode, Jeff, Randy, and Steve tackle a listener-requested topic: hazardous materials transported by rail and how to handle rail car incidents on industrial sites. Sharing real-world experiences, near-miss stories, and detailed response strategies, they explore the complexities of managing rail cars carrying flammable, toxic, corrosive, and even radioactive substances. With their signature mix of humor and technical expertise, they also preview a future deep-dive on the infamous East Palestine incident. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps:00:00 – Introductions & Topic Setup* Hosts reintroduce themselves and introduce the episode’s theme: rail car incidents.02:45 – Common Hazmat in Rail Transport* Flammable liquids (e.g., crude oil, ethanol), toxic gases (e.g., chlorine, ammonia), corrosives, explosives, and radioactive materials.06:12 – Site-Specific Rail Car Challenges* Unique dynamics of industrial endpoint users.* Managing large inventories (e.g., up to 150 cars on site).10:28 – Risks of Rail Car Operations* Mechanical failures (e.g., bearings, brakes).* Human error, poor weather conditions, outdated tank cars (DOT-111).16:10 – Safety Measures & Industry Collaboration* Upgraded cars (DOT-117), monitoring systems for hot bearings.* CN Railroad’s free onsite training praised as a model for preparedness.22:40 – Response Protocols for Rail Incidents* Evacuations, shelter-in-place, cordoning off zones.* Using ERG guides and placards to identify contents and hazards.28:15 – Mitigation & Containment Tactics* Plug-and-patch methods, chlorine C-kits, environmental protection.* Transfer complexities and scale of response for large volumes.34:40 – Realistic Cleanup Timelines* Hours to years depending on severity, chemical type, and location.* Discussion of regulatory restrictions, leak containment, and off-site transport bans.40:00 – Case Examples & Notable Incidents* Canada’s 2013 Lac-Mégantic disaster.* East Palestine, OH (2023): preview of a future deep-dive episode.45:50 – Importance of Preplanning and Equipment* Value of readiness: PPE, containment tools, patch kits, drones.* Site-specific examples like rail line derailments and valve leaks.50:32 – Wrap-Up & Listener Call-to-Action* Call for rail-related experiences, gear tips, and training practices.53:00 – Teaser for Next Episode* Next episode topic: Bromine — a dense, hazardous chemical in use on site. Do you handle rail cars at your site? Had a near miss or a notable incident? Share your story at hasmetharder@gmail.com — and help shape future episodes. Stay tuned for next week's discussion on bromine, a heavy, volatile chemical that poses unique challenges in both handling and response.
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6 months ago
33 minutes 12 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 12: Mercury Spill Responses
Episode Overview:In this insightful episode, hosts Jeff, Randy, and Steve dive deep into the challenges and intricacies of handling mercury spills in industrial settings. Drawing from real-life case studies within their facility, they discuss response protocols, lessons learned, and best practices for dealing with hazardous elemental mercury. With their characteristic humor and camaraderie, they bring both technical depth and relatable storytelling to this critical HAZMAT topic. Segment Breakdown & Timestamps:00:00 – Introduction* Meet your hosts: Jeff, Randy, and Steve — seasoned industrial HAZMAT professionals.* Overview of the episode’s focus: Mercury-related emergency responses.03:15 – Real Case #1: P-Trap Pipe Spill* Mercury release during maintenance work.* How it was unknowingly spread across the facility.07:32 – Real Case #2: Lab Assay Spill* Mercury-laden solution spills on a worker.* Cross-contamination due to unawareness and movement.11:40 – Elemental Mercury: Why It’s a Big Deal* History and reduction of mercury use.* Modern-day uses and dangers of exposure.17:00 – Health Effects of Mercury Exposure* Acute and long-term symptoms.* Why small spills are still high-risk.21:40 – First Response: PPE and Metering Needs* The critical role of proper PPE (Level B with SCBA).* Challenges of mercury detection and the limitations of current gear.28:10 – Budget Constraints & Third-Party Support* Why industrial teams often outsource mercury testing.* Differences in municipal vs. corporate HAZMAT funding.32:45 – Cleanup Techniques and Tools* Step-by-step breakdown of spill kit usage.* Mercury detection, containment tools, and limitations of vacuuming.39:05 – Secondary Remediation Measures* Using activated carbon and heat to remove residual mercury.* Clearance standards and regulatory oversight.44:12 – Lessons Learned & Preventive Measures* Importance of awareness, education, and proper containment.* Impact of missteps on time, cost, and safety.48:00 – Listener Engagement* Call for shared stories and feedback from other HAZMAT professionals.49:12 – Teaser for Next Episode* Upcoming topic: Rail car issues — another listener-suggested topic. Have you dealt with a mercury call at your site? Send your stories to hasmetharder@gmail.com. Don't miss the next episode on rail car hazards — especially relevant if you work with bulk transport or industrial shipping.
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6 months ago
31 minutes 22 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 11: Unannounced Drills
Episode Overview This episode of Industrial Strength Podcast takes a deep dive into a high-intensity unannounced emergency response drill that left responders and employees rattled. What started as a routine man down call escalated into a full-blown multiple casualty incident—except it was all part of a secret drill.The team breaks down the response, the decisions made, and the emotional aftermath. They also discuss the value and controversy of unannounced drills, whether they are the best way to train emergency responders, and the importance of stress inoculation in high-stakes situations.Key Topics Covered* The emergency call: A “man down” incident in a packout room of a chemical synthesis building* Initial confusion: Lack of details from dispatch and conflicting information on-scene* The hazards considered: Nitrogen asphyxiation, chemical exposure, or medical emergency?* How the ERT (Emergency Response Team) assessed the scene before making entry* The importance of oxygen and LEL monitoring in enclosed spaces* How nitrogen asphyxiation works and the rapid onset of unconsciousness* Real-life case study: A 2021 nitrogen leak that killed 14 workers at a Georgia meatpacking plant* The response actions taken: Ventilating the packout room, controlled entry, and victim extraction* The moment the drill was revealed and the backlash from responders and employees* The psychological impact: When a drill feels real, does it go too far?* The debate: Are unannounced drills effective, or do they create unnecessary panic?Notable Moments and Key Takeaways* Nitrogen asphyxiation can be undetectable and fatal within seconds* ERT responders avoided a dangerous blind entry by using atmospheric testing and controlled ventilation* Unannounced drills can expose weaknesses but may also create resentment and emotional fallout* Stress inoculation through realistic training can prepare teams for real emergencies* Industrial emergency responders often face additional emotional challenges due to familiarity with coworkersResources & References* OSHA and NFPA guidelines on confined space entry and nitrogen safety* Case studies on industrial nitrogen leaks and fatalities* Best practices for conducting safe and effective emergency response drillsListener Engagement Have you ever been part of an unannounced emergency drill? Did it help your team prepare, or did it cause unnecessary tension? Share your experiences and insights with us at hazmatharder@gmail.com.Next Episode Preview The team teases an episode with the theme "Heavy Metal"—but what does that really mean? Are they talking about hazardous materials or throwing in some Slayer and Metallica references? Tune in next time to find out.
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6 months ago
30 minutes 12 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 10: The Lithium-Ion Battery
Episode Overview In this episode of Industrial Strength Podcast, the team takes on one of the most pressing fire safety issues today—lithium-ion battery fires. Starting with a case study of a massive fire at a lithium-ion battery recycling facility in Missouri, they break down what happened, why these fires are so challenging, and how facilities can better prepare for similar incidents.The discussion expands to the risks posed by electric vehicles, battery-powered devices, and energy storage systems. The team also shares a real-life workplace incident involving a vape pen fire, highlighting how even small lithium-ion batteries can cause significant injuries.Key Topics Covered* Case study: A large lithium-ion battery recycling facility fire and its challenges* Why lithium-ion battery fires are difficult to extinguish* Common causes of lithium-ion battery fires, including damage, overheating, and manufacturing defects* The dangers of thermal runaway and how battery fires can self-propagate* Hazardous byproducts of battery fires, including hydrofluoric acid (HF) gas* The limitations of traditional fire suppression systems against lithium-ion fires* The push for electric vehicles (EVs) in industrial settings and associated fire risks* How an unnoticed increase in hybrid and electric vehicles on-site raised concerns* A workplace incident involving a vape pen battery igniting in an employee’s pocket* The importance of pre-planning and fire mitigation strategies for lithium-ion battery hazards* NFPA 800 and the evolving fire safety codes for lithium-ion batteriesNotable Moments and Key Takeaways* Even small lithium-ion batteries, like those in vape pens, can cause severe burns and injuries* Large-scale lithium-ion fires require containment and exposure protection rather than traditional firefighting tactics* The need for industry-wide fire codes and best practices specific to lithium-ion battery hazards* Strategies such as using fire blankets and controlled burn containers for EV fires* How planning and early hazard identification can save lives and reduce damageResources & References* NFPA 800 – The evolving fire safety code for battery storage and handling* Case studies of lithium-ion battery fires and best practices for response* Industry guidance on handling, transporting, and recycling lithium-ion batteriesListener Engagement Have you had a lithium-ion battery incident at your facility? Do you have a pre-plan for EV fires or energy storage system failures? Share your experiences with us at hazmatharder@gmail.com.Next Episode Preview The team teases their next topic, hinting at an incident that’s not a drill—but what could it be? Tune in next time to find out.
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7 months ago
29 minutes 9 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 9: The Hazards of Hot Boxing
Episode Overview In this ninth episode of Industrial Strength Podcast, the team dives into a real-life hazmat response incident involving hot boxing—but not the kind you might be thinking of. This case study explores a hazardous situation involving di-tert-butyl-dicarbonate (also known as bauk anhydride) and how improper heating practices nearly led to a serious chemical incident.The discussion covers the science behind drum bulging, thermal decomposition, and the dangers of improper temperature control in industrial settings. The hosts also share lessons learned from past incidents and how teams can prevent similar situations in the future.Key Topics Covered* Introduction to hot boxing and why this term has a different meaning in industrial hazmat response* The incident: di-tert-butyl-dicarbonate drums placed in a warming room at excessive temperatures* How improper heating led to pressurization and bulging of metal drums* The chemistry behind di-tert-butyl-dicarbonate, its decomposition, and toxic inhalation risks* Scene size-up and initial response actions taken by the hazmat team* The use of thermal imaging cameras (TIC) to assess drum temperatures* Proper PPE selection and mitigation strategies for relieving drum pressure* The importance of engineering controls and how improper operator techniques contributed to the incident* Discussion on a custom-built pressure relief device for safely venting plastic drumsNotable Moments and Key Takeaways* Even low-pressure bulging in drums can indicate dangerous internal conditions* Engineering controls and procedural adherence are critical to preventing hazardous situations* The importance of scene size-up and using tools like TIC for better hazard assessment* Why dual-role teams (such as entry and RIT) need careful consideration in hazmat responses* The difference between metal and plastic drum pressure relief techniquesResources & References* More information on di-tert-butyl-dicarbonate and its hazards* OSHA guidelines for industrial chemical storage and heating practices* Visuals of drum bulging and the team’s custom pressure relief deviceListener EngagementHave you ever dealt with a hazmat incident involving bulging drums or improper heating? Does your team have a unique tool or method for venting pressure safely? Share your experiences with us at hazmatharder@gmail.com.Next Episode PreviewThe team will tackle a growing industrial fire hazard—lithium-ion batteries. What makes them such a challenge for hazmat responders, and how can teams safely manage these fires? Tune in next time for an in-depth discussion.
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7 months ago
27 minutes 49 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 8: Divide and Conquer
Episode Overview:In this episode of the Industrial Strength Podcast, the hosts recount a unique challenge that required them to manage two simultaneous calls. The first involved the hazardous spill of osmium ...
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8 months ago
31 minutes 10 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 7: Missteps and Major Hazards
Episode Overview:In this high-stakes episode of the Industrial Strength Podcast, the hosts recount two harrowing incidents where minor oversights led to significant hazmat responses. The first incident explor...
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8 months ago
32 minutes 50 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 6: It’s Not an Audit, It’s an Assessment (Part 2)
Episode Overview:In the continuation of the previous episode, the Industrial Strength Podcast delves deeper into the nuances of corporate audits and assessments. Randy, Steve, and Jeff discuss the second half...
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9 months ago
31 minutes 28 seconds

Industrial Strength Podcast
A podcast more focused on industrial fire departments and industrial hazmat response. From discussing interesting calls, to talking about equipment, to touching on distinctly corporate aspects of the job, the Industrial Strength team delves into different aspects of working within an industrial hazmat team. Through these podcasts the team endeavors to shed more light on what’s often an overlooked part of the public safety sector for other industry insiders as well as visitors from municipal teams.